UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[Celritannia]

I am proud of the UK and what it has accomplished. But I also see how shit it has become. It's a tough-love situation for me. While I dislike nationalism in general, or fake patriotism, I believe the UK can pick itself back up off the ground with the right people in charge to invest in the UK people, industries, healthcare, welfare, and overall development.

[Shrillland]

Looking at the results back in England, I see the Canvey Island Party took Castle Point and the Island Independents reduced the Tories in the Isle of Wight of all places. PC did worse than I expected in Wales and Labour did better, the SNP will need the Greens to carry the dream of nationhood, and the Tories won several major councils. About what was to be expected in England. Oh, and MK got a councillor in Cornwall, which is kind of cute.

[Celritannia]

Looking at the results back in England, I see the Canvey Island Party took Castle Point and the Island Independents reduced the Tories in the Isle of Wight of all places. PC did worse than I expected in Wales and Labour did better, the SNP will need the Greens to carry the dream of nationhood, and the Tories won several major councils. About what was to be expected in England. Oh, and MK got a councillor in Cornwall, which is kind of cute.

I still don't think the people of Scotland will vote for Independence. I think it will be the high 40s/low 50s affair.

[Shrillland]

Looking at the results back in England, I see the Canvey Island Party took Castle Point and the Island Independents reduced the Tories in the Isle of Wight of all places. PC did worse than I expected in Wales and Labour did better, the SNP will need the Greens to carry the dream of nationhood, and the Tories won several major councils. About what was to be expected in England. Oh, and MK got a councillor in Cornwall, which is kind of cute.

I still don't think the people of Scotland will vote for Independence. I think it will be the high 40s/low 50s affair.

I didn't say they'd vote for independence, it'll be years before we know for sure anyway, Johnson's not going to allow a vote.

[San Lumen]

I still don't think the people of Scotland will vote for Independence. I think it will be the high 40s/low 50s affair.

I didn't say they'd vote for independence, it'll be years before we know for sure anyway, Johnson's not going to allow a vote.

I doubt even a future Labor government would when that happens someday.

[Celritannia]

I didn't say they'd vote for independence, it'll be years before we know for sure anyway, Johnson's not going to allow a vote.

I doubt even a future Labor government would when that happens someday.

A future Labour would move towards federation while Tores try to hold on to the unitary state.

[San Lumen]

I doubt even a future Labor government would when that happens someday.

A future Labour would move towards federation while Tores try to hold on to the unitary state.

What do you mean?

[Celritannia]

I still don't think the people of Scotland will vote for Independence. I think it will be the high 40s/low 50s affair.

I didn't say they'd vote for independence, it'll be years before we know for sure anyway, Johnson's not going to allow a vote.

Oh I know, I've been up all night watching this, sorry if my typing is more direct

[Shrillland]

A future Labour would move towards federation while Tores try to hold on to the unitary state.

What do you mean?

He means that the same kind of devolution and powers given to Scotland, Wales, and NI, would now be given to England's eight other regions besides London(who has the Assembly anyway). The regions would get their own parliaments with similar authority to the Scottish one, there might be an English Parliament for country-wide issues, and Westminster's power would be reduced to what the regions and countries couldn't do themselves, or to do things that all the regions would have to comply with similar to the US.

[Celritannia]

A future Labour would move towards federation while Tores try to hold on to the unitary state.

What do you mean?

I can see Labour moving towards each English Region and the current 4 devolved areas (Scot. Wales, NI. Ldn.) have a fully functioning Cabinet and Parliament each, with stronger powers, much like the federations of Belgium, Germany, or Austria.

Whereas the Tories will not want to lose central Westminster control.

[Shrillland]

I didn't say they'd vote for independence, it'll be years before we know for sure anyway, Johnson's not going to allow a vote.

Oh I know, I've been up all night watching this, sorry if my typing is more direct

Oh, that's OK, don't blame you. I was up 18 hours watching the earlier votes myself.

[Aggicificicerous]

Starmer admits that "Labour has lost the trust of the working people"

As an outsider looking in, I can't understand how Labour thought the results would be any different. They have no answer to the Conservatives, no policies, nothing. Just a beaten dog too scared to bark.

I used to think Jim Hacker was a silly fictional character until I saw Keir Starmer. Has the man always been this oblivious, or did it only happen when he became leader?

[San Lumen]

What do you mean?

I can see Labour moving towards each English Region and the current 4 devolved areas (Scot. Wales, NI. Ldn.) have a fully functioning Cabinet and Parliament each, with stronger powers, much like the federations of Belgium, Germany, or Austria.

Whereas the Tories will not want to lose central Westminster control.

Thats not a bad idea. That could be something Labor proposes for the next election. Perhaps test in the next local elections whenever those are.

[Shrillland]

Starmer admits that "Labour has lost the trust of the working people"

As an outsider looking in, I can't understand how Labour thought the results would be any different. They have no answer to the Conservatives, no policies, nothing. Just a beaten dog too scared to bark.

I used to think Jim Hacker was a silly fictional character until I saw Keir Starmer. Has the man always been this oblivious, or did it only happen when he became leader?

He became leader more or less by accident, so yes. The worst part is that sitting across from this Jim Hacker in Westminster is a disheveled Alan B'Stard.

[San Lumen]

Starmer admits that "Labour has lost the trust of the working people"

As an outsider looking in, I can't understand how Labour thought the results would be any different. They have no answer to the Conservatives, no policies, nothing. Just a beaten dog too scared to bark.

I used to think Jim Hacker was a silly fictional character until I saw Keir Starmer. Has the man always been this oblivious, or did it only happen when he became leader?

From everything i've read they are terrible at messaging. Democrats in the US can be bad at it sometimes but at least they have one.

[Celritannia]

I can see Labour moving towards each English Region and the current 4 devolved areas (Scot. Wales, NI. Ldn.) have a fully functioning Cabinet and Parliament each, with stronger powers, much like the federations of Belgium, Germany, or Austria.

Whereas the Tories will not want to lose central Westminster control.

Thats not a bad idea. That could be something Labor proposes for the next election. Perhaps test in the next local elections whenever those are.

Well, for the General election, yes, but that's not until 2024.

[Shrillland]

I can see Labour moving towards each English Region and the current 4 devolved areas (Scot. Wales, NI. Ldn.) have a fully functioning Cabinet and Parliament each, with stronger powers, much like the federations of Belgium, Germany, or Austria.

Whereas the Tories will not want to lose central Westminster control.

Thats not a bad idea. That could be something Labor proposes for the next election. Perhaps test in the next local elections whenever those are.

It's been tried, actually. Back in 2004, Blair tried to create a Northeastern Parliament as a precursor to creating them for all the regions, but it was shot down with 78% of the vote since it wouldn't hold too much real authority.

[Celritannia]

As an outsider looking in, I can't understand how Labour thought the results would be any different. They have no answer to the Conservatives, no policies, nothing. Just a beaten dog too scared to bark.

I used to think Jim Hacker was a silly fictional character until I saw Keir Starmer. Has the man always been this oblivious, or did it only happen when he became leader?

He became leader more or less by accident, so yes. The worst part is that sitting across from this Jim Hacker in Westminster is a disheveled Alan B'Stard.

I voted for him...in the Labour Party election

[Shrillland]

He became leader more or less by accident, so yes. The worst part is that sitting across from this Jim Hacker in Westminster is a disheveled Alan B'Stard.

I voted for him...in the Labour Party election

That's fine, I don't blame you, he seemed decent enough at the time.

[San Lumen]

Thats not a bad idea. That could be something Labor proposes for the next election. Perhaps test in the next local elections whenever those are.

Well, for the General election, yes, but that's not until 2024.

why not see how popular it is in local elections by proposing it in 2022 or 2023?

[Celritannia]

I voted for him...in the Labour Party election

That's fine, I don't blame you, he seemed decent enough at the time.

He did. And at the first few PMQs, he did really well.
But I think he has become stagnant.

[Shrillland]

Well, for the General election, yes, but that's not until 2024.

why not see how popular it is in local elections by proposing it in 2022 or 2023?

Celrit already said why. The Tories will cling on to the unitary state until they or the UK dies, and if they cling on that much, the latter will definitely come first.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It'd be kind of interesting if the UK broke up. Not that it will, but an independent Scotland would be really something.

And then there are more radical dreamers out there. They want an independent Northu- *Door kick*

[Celritannia]

Well, for the General election, yes, but that's not until 2024.

why not see how popular it is in local elections by proposing it in 2022 or 2023?

These are local elections are for local people.

A federation policy is for the national level, not local elections.

[Celritannia]

It'd be kind of interesting if the UK broke up. Not that it will, but an independent Scotland would be really something.

And then there are more radical dreamers out there. They want an independent Northu- *Door kick*