UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well done to the Greens picking up 40 new councillors so far.

[San Lumen]

Well done to the Greens picking up 40 new councillors so far.

Awesome wish I could see it on video. The BBC video live stream still wont work for me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Well done to the Greens picking up 40 new councillors so far.

I'd like to be happy about that but I'm not sure how many NSGers can be sustained by that one crumb of comfort.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well done to the Greens picking up 40 new councillors so far.

I'd like to be happy about that but I'm not sure how many NSGers can be sustained by that one crumb of comfort.

lmao

[San Lumen]

When are are we likely to get the list results from the Welsh parliament?

[Immortan Khan]

*NEW: @JLPartnersPolls on why people voted the way they did, for @Channel4News*

The top reason given for not voting Labour on Thursday was Keir Starmer’s leadership. This was followed by not agreeing with Labour’s policies, or worrying that they did not have any at all.

GRIM.

(Image)

(Image)

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

Tbf that could easily be bunched up in with "Don't agree with policies".

[Tower of London]

Saw this and thought i'd throw it out here. Happened a month ago and saw no mention of it on the last thread. Internet troll sentenced by judge to 28 months in jail for harassing Jess Phillips

Judge Hilary Manley to defendant - "What you do, in indulging in such a campaign, does not make you a hero and it does not protect or help a single other person. You are an inadequate man who cannot cope with the reality of having reached your fifties without ever really achieving much, save for acquiring some criminal convictions for violent and abusive behaviour, and a habit of drinking too much alcohol and sitting at your keyboard, venting your frustration at others who in your view have the temerity to put themselves in positions of public service and to hold views with which you do not agree.
Defendant Eckersley was sentenced to 28 months in prison. The judge said the sentence should "serve as a reminder to any other self-styled keyboard warriors that the courts will not tolerate this kind of behaviour".

Bully for this judge!

[The Huskar Social Union]

When are are we likely to get the list results from the Welsh parliament?

Probably some point tomorrow.

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

Tbf that could easily be bunched up in with "Don't agree with policies".

True.

[San Lumen]

When are are we likely to get the list results from the Welsh parliament?

Probably some point tomorrow.

Tbf that could easily be bunched up in with "Don't agree with policies".

True.

How likely is it Labor gets a majority?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Probably some point tomorrow.

True.

How likely is it Labor gets a majority?

Idk honestly

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Probably some point tomorrow.

True.

How likely is it Labor gets a majority?

Labour need another 5 seats for a majority, and there are 21 seats still to announce. I think it is pretty likely Labour will get a majority in Wales.

[Arisyan]

When are are we likely to get the list results from the Welsh parliament?

Most likely sometime tomorrow. The same with Scotland. We'll probably get the full results for councils tomorrow, as they're still counting some votes. Currently, we only have the full results for Leicestershire and Cornwall from what I can tell (both Conservative majorities.)

[The Huskar Social Union]

The only Welsh Constituency seat is Vale of Glamorgan. The Conservatives were not that far off taking it from Labour in 2016, only behind by about 700 votes. So will be interesting to see how it goes.

[San Lumen]

The only Welsh Constituency seat is Vale of Glamorgan. The Conservatives were not that far off taking it from Labour in 2016, only behind by about 700 votes. So will be interesting to see how it goes.

When are we going to get that result?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Plaid and the Conservatives have won two List seats each in Wales. One of the Conservative gains was at the expense of UKIP.

Edit: Make that four list seats for the Conservatives, three for Plaid and one for Labour.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hmmmm.

Seems to support a particular narrative.

Also lol, that spin in the title. The data doesn't show that britons and americans on the right are more likely to support their country, that's not the takeaway.

The takeaway is that the british and american left are abnormal and abberant in disliking their countries to the extent they do, because everyone else doesn't do that. The french left, the german left, the centrists of all countries, and the right wing of all countries.

England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.”

George Orwell in 1941.

Something something Norman Yoke something something send them back to france.

[Auristania]

When are are we likely to get the list results from the Welsh parliament?

When they have counted all the postal votes for Joe Biden.

[Straicean]

How likely is it Labor gets a majority?

Labour need another 5 seats for a majority, and there are 21 seats still to announce. I think it is pretty likely Labour will get a majority in Wales.

They'll get the last constituency but they're not getting 4 seats from the regional list. Two seats in Mid and West Wales (only constituency they won was Llanelli) and *maybe* one in North Wales.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Labour Hold in Vale of Glamorgan, their vote share increased by 4.7% where as the Conservatives fell by 0.8%. About a 3k vote lead for Labour.

Thats all the constituency seats done, now just the remaining list seats. Labour is currently on 28 seats total.

[Hirota]

Plaid and the Conservatives have won 2 List seats each in Wales. One of the Conservative gains was at the expense of UKIP.

It shouldn't be a surprise that the Tories absorb the lions share of the UKIP/Brexit vote.

What might be a surprise is this:

A massive 42% of healthcare workers intended to vote Conservative in yesterday’s local elections.
Two in five healthcare workers voted for the Conservative Party in this week’s local elections, according to a recent poll.

A survey of 1,843 healthcare workers undertaken by NursingNotes reveals that a massive 42% intended to vote Conservative in yesterday’s local elections.

Just 32% of those surveyed said they intended to vote for the Labour Party.

In stark contrast, a previous survey revealed that 82% of healthcare workers intended to vote for the Labour Party in the 2019 General Election while the Conservative Party picked up just 6% of the vote.

Historically left-leaning workforce.
Local independent candidates picked up 18% of the votes, with the remainder shared between the Green Party, SNP and other minority parties.

The surprising news comes as the historically left-leaning workforce look for “strong and stable leadership” during the pandemic who will “focus on the economy” in the coming months.

One nurse justified her decision on the survey; “The Government’s top priority must be to fix the economy and boost employment. I (reluctantly) voted for my local Conservative candidate as I know they will do what needs to be done to do this.”

“While Labour is the party of the NHS, the Conservatives are the part [sic] of the economy,” she concluded.

The news is a particular surprise after the Conservative-controlled Government told NHS workers earlier this year that a 1% pay rise was all it could afford. Labour has been criticised by many healthcare workers for being ambiguous on the topic of an NHS pay rise after they have continuously failed to back a national pay campaign.

In line with the narrative.
Anthony Johnson, Lead Organiser for the left-leaning grassroots campaigning group Nurses United UK, responded to the results; “As nurses, we know that top line statistics are easily misinterpreted. This polling shows that nurses, like the rest of the electorate, vote in line with the narrative that is given to them.

“To change it, for our own interests and those of our NHS, it is up to our unions to undertake a level of political education that has not been seen for decades.

“From our pay and conditions to the discrimination we face at work, everything is affected by politics, national and local. It is up to the institutions that represent us to show how we can influence that as politics doesn’t just stop once an election is over.”

[The Nihilistic view]

*NEW: @JLPartnersPolls on why people voted the way they did, for @Channel4News*

The top reason given for not voting Labour on Thursday was Keir Starmer’s leadership. This was followed by not agreeing with Labour’s policies, or worrying that they did not have any at all.

GRIM.

(Image)

(Image)

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

I don't think it was ever really framed like that. The conservative pitch was about positive investments going forward and about what has generally been going on in the the Teeside area for jobs.

If we aren't bringing it up and UKIP are gone because Brexit has been done who else is going to? We don't want to focus on it not least because it doesn’t fit with trying to reposition globally.

Bringing prosperity back to these sorts of areas and being able to point out some early success and plans as Boris did when talking to reporters today in Hartlepool that's the future. The only mention he even gave brexit was to briefly say it helped us with the speed of the vaccine rollout. Otherwise it's 100% focus on the attempt to show people leveling up will happen.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

I don't think it was ever really framed like that. The conservative pitch was about positive investments going forward and about what has generally been going on in the the Teeside area for jobs.

If we aren't bringing it up and UKIP are gone because Brexit has been done who else is going to? We don't want to focus on it not least because it doesn’t fit with trying to reposition globally.

Bringing prosperity back to these sorts of areas and being able to point out some early success and plans as Boris did when talking to reporters today in Hartlepool that's the future. The only mention he even gave brexit was to briefly say it helped us with the speed of the vaccine rollout. Otherwise it's 100% focus on the attempt to show people leveling up will happen.

I was mainly pointing those out in regards to what Ostro talked about earlier in the thread as i thought they could tie into that conversation.

[Straicean]

*NEW: @JLPartnersPolls on why people voted the way they did, for @Channel4News*

The top reason given for not voting Labour on Thursday was Keir Starmer’s leadership. This was followed by not agreeing with Labour’s policies, or worrying that they did not have any at all.

GRIM.

(Image)

(Image)

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

It was asking the main reason. I think a better way for Labour to gauge why they lost, and the Conservatives why they won, would be to present this list and ask voters to tick off all of the reasons why they chose to vote the way they did.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't think it was ever really framed like that. The conservative pitch was about positive investments going forward and about what has generally been going on in the the Teeside area for jobs.

If we aren't bringing it up and UKIP are gone because Brexit has been done who else is going to? We don't want to focus on it not least because it doesn’t fit with trying to reposition globally.

Bringing prosperity back to these sorts of areas and being able to point out some early success and plans as Boris did when talking to reporters today in Hartlepool that's the future. The only mention he even gave brexit was to briefly say it helped us with the speed of the vaccine rollout. Otherwise it's 100% focus on the attempt to show people leveling up will happen.

I was mainly pointing those out in regards to what Ostro talked about earlier in the thread as i thought they could tie into that conversation.

I think it's a fair data point, though I'm critical of its utility for the reasons outlined earlier.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Whats also interesting is "Too Woke" and "Bad at Immigration" rank really really lowly as for why people didnt vote for the party.

It was asking the main reason. I think a better way for Labour to gauge why they lost, and the Conservatives why they won, would be to present this list and ask voters to tick off all of the reasons why they chose to vote the way they did.

I know, as i mentioned above i thought it would tie into what Ostro was talking about earlier.