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The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:

An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long.
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18%
An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics.
15
6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now.
28
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A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin.
80
30%
I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who.
25
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Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?
68
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Total votes : 264

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:54 am

Councillor to pay substantial damages to Jeremy Corbyn for defamatory tweet
A Conservative councillor has agreed to pay “substantial” damages and legal costs to Jeremy Corbyn for a tweet containing a fake photograph of the former Labour leader at the scene of the Liverpool terrorist attack.

Paul Nickerson, a councillor on East Riding of Yorkshire Council, has apologised and taken “full responsibility” for the doctored tweet, which showed Mr Corbyn laying a poppy wreath at the burning taxi outside Liverpool Women’s Hospital, and was captioned with the word “unsurprisingly”.

Mr Nickerson said the post gave the “completely untrue impression” that the Islington North MP supports terrorist violence and said the tweet was “wrong”.

Mr Corbyn said the tweet “did a disservice to all those affected by the attack and their loved ones” and said he would use the settlement to support charities close to his heart.

Mr Nickerson, who has been suspended by his council’s Conservative group, tweeted his apology on Tuesday.

He wrote: “On 15 November 2021, a false defamatory statement, for which I accept full responsibility, was published on my Twitter account about Jeremy Corbyn MP.

“My apology is attached. I have agreed to pay substantial damages and legal costs to Mr Corbyn. Please retweet.”


Good, fuck him the stupid asshole.
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Former soldier sent politician chilling tweet that he should be shot behind the ear

A military veteran has been sentenced for tweeting that a member of the Scottish Parliament should be assassinated.

Andrew Brews served in Northern Ireland and said that MSP James Dornan, who is an SNP politician for Glasgow Cathcart, “deserved one behind the ear.”

He described the politician as a “dirty little Nationalist rat.”

Brews, a landlord, admitted that the phrase was used during the Troubles to describe a method of assassination.

The former-soldier confessed he posted the message on a Twitter thread after seeing a picture of the MSP posing in front of a flag linked to the Irish Republican Army.

He has said posting the image had been a “knee-jerk reaction”.

Supporters of Mr Dornan then sent him the tweet and the MSP told the trial he had been concerned by the use of language in it.

Brews tweeted: "As I have told him, if he thinks standing posing and smiling in front of a flag belonging to a Republican proscribed organisation isn't sectarian then he's deluded.

“Just another dirty little Nationalist rat, deserves one behind the ear."

Sheriff Alison Michie told Dundee Sheriff Court: "Mr Dornan said he receives tweets like this, but nothing as concerning as this particular tweet.

"He was clear what he took it to mean and perceived that to be a threat and something that could encourage others.

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Former soldier has been fined for sending a tweet saying that an MSP should be shot because he posed with an Irish Republican flag. From what i understand on the reddit thread about it he posed with the 1914 flag of Cumann na mBan, which was a Womans Irish Republican Paramilitary group. Thought it would be worth sharing with all the threats going around aimed at Politicians lately and after David Amess' death.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:50 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Former soldier sent politician chilling tweet that he should be shot behind the ear

A military veteran has been sentenced for tweeting that a member of the Scottish Parliament should be assassinated.

Andrew Brews served in Northern Ireland and said that MSP James Dornan, who is an SNP politician for Glasgow Cathcart, “deserved one behind the ear.”

He described the politician as a “dirty little Nationalist rat.”

Brews, a landlord, admitted that the phrase was used during the Troubles to describe a method of assassination.

The former-soldier confessed he posted the message on a Twitter thread after seeing a picture of the MSP posing in front of a flag linked to the Irish Republican Army.

He has said posting the image had been a “knee-jerk reaction”.

Supporters of Mr Dornan then sent him the tweet and the MSP told the trial he had been concerned by the use of language in it.

Brews tweeted: "As I have told him, if he thinks standing posing and smiling in front of a flag belonging to a Republican proscribed organisation isn't sectarian then he's deluded.

“Just another dirty little Nationalist rat, deserves one behind the ear."

Sheriff Alison Michie told Dundee Sheriff Court: "Mr Dornan said he receives tweets like this, but nothing as concerning as this particular tweet.

"He was clear what he took it to mean and perceived that to be a threat and something that could encourage others.

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Former soldier has been fined for sending a tweet saying that an MSP should be shot because he posed with an Irish Republican flag. From what i understand on the reddit thread about it he posed with the 1914 flag of Cumann na mBan, which was a Womans Irish Republican Paramilitary group. Thought it would be worth sharing with all the threats going around aimed at Politicians lately and after David Amess' death.


Also, current landlord rather than former soldier.

It's where I put the focus on :blush:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:56 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Former soldier sent politician chilling tweet that he should be shot behind the ear

Former soldier has been fined for sending a tweet saying that an MSP should be shot because he posed with an Irish Republican flag. From what i understand on the reddit thread about it he posed with the 1914 flag of Cumann na mBan, which was a Womans Irish Republican Paramilitary group. Thought it would be worth sharing with all the threats going around aimed at Politicians lately and after David Amess' death.


Also, current landlord rather than former soldier.

It's where I put the focus on :blush:


What's your issue with people who run pubs?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:04 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Also, current landlord rather than former soldier.

It's where I put the focus on :blush:


What's your issue with people who run pubs?

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The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Former soldier sent politician chilling tweet that he should be shot behind the ear

Former soldier has been fined for sending a tweet saying that an MSP should be shot because he posed with an Irish Republican flag. From what i understand on the reddit thread about it he posed with the 1914 flag of Cumann na mBan, which was a Womans Irish Republican Paramilitary group. Thought it would be worth sharing with all the threats going around aimed at Politicians lately and after David Amess' death.


Also, current landlord rather than former soldier.

It's where I put the focus on :blush:
Well id figure the relevance would be on him being a veteran who served in NI and making the threat at a Nationalist Politician (Even if they are Scottish) who posed with an Irish Republican Flag at an Irish Republican event. It was part of his own argument that it was a knee jerk reaction due to having served here.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:09 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Finally the problem with Ostro's post is it's entirely wrong. Probably because of either a misunderstanding or being unaware of the current situation before this law.

Nobody is getting fucked but some children of middle class people will have more money to go skiing in Val d’Isere after said parent's demise so they can try and pretend they are upper middle class.

Dude, in my dumpy-ass neighbourhood in Edinburgh, a shitty flat cost £100k. None of my neighbours were remotely middle class.

The middle class people lived in the much nicer neighbourhoods that are in the right areas to go to the better schools instead of the one with really obvious drug dealers and people who throw bricks through their mother's car window because they're having a domestic dispute or some shit. The middle class people aren't living in a neighbourhood where you can occasionally hear the local woman who's always on some unknown drug screaming at the police that she doesn't want to go back to jail.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:57 am

Dakini wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Finally the problem with Ostro's post is it's entirely wrong. Probably because of either a misunderstanding or being unaware of the current situation before this law.

Nobody is getting fucked but some children of middle class people will have more money to go skiing in Val d’Isere after said parent's demise so they can try and pretend they are upper middle class.

Dude, in my dumpy-ass neighbourhood in Edinburgh, a shitty flat cost £100k. None of my neighbours were remotely middle class.

The middle class people lived in the much nicer neighbourhoods that are in the right areas to go to the better schools instead of the one with really obvious drug dealers and people who throw bricks through their mother's car window because they're having a domestic dispute or some shit. The middle class people aren't living in a neighbourhood where you can occasionally hear the local woman who's always on some unknown drug screaming at the police that she doesn't want to go back to jail.


And? That doesn't change that the new law isn't worse than the old one.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:41 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dakini wrote:Dude, in my dumpy-ass neighbourhood in Edinburgh, a shitty flat cost £100k. None of my neighbours were remotely middle class.

The middle class people lived in the much nicer neighbourhoods that are in the right areas to go to the better schools instead of the one with really obvious drug dealers and people who throw bricks through their mother's car window because they're having a domestic dispute or some shit. The middle class people aren't living in a neighbourhood where you can occasionally hear the local woman who's always on some unknown drug screaming at the police that she doesn't want to go back to jail.


And? That doesn't change that the new law isn't worse than the old one.


"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:44 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
And? That doesn't change that the new law isn't worse than the old one.


"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.


With this government "not worse" is about the best we can hope for I suppose.

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Postby Philjia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:29 pm

Word through the grapevine is that the 1922 committee is starting to get letters of no confidence in the PM.

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Postby New Tryphalia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:41 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
And? That doesn't change that the new law isn't worse than the old one.


"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.


Just like Labour and Lib Dems these days.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:52 am

New Tryphalia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.


Just like Labour and Lib Dems these days.


Compared to the Tories, Labour would not cut vital services, nor see Children starve during the pandemic.

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New Tryphalia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.


Just like Labour and Lib Dems these days.


Are you going to give any actual substance to this particular BUT BOTH SIDES or are you just going to leave it hanging and run?
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New Tryphalia wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
"Isn't as worse" does not mean it's better. The Tories are the party o the rich, the corrupt, they care little for the actual working people.


Just like Labour and Lib Dems these days.

Both sides are just as bad
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
New Tryphalia wrote:
Just like Labour and Lib Dems these days.

Both sides are just as bad


Yeah both the Labour and the Lib dem sides :p
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The Nihilistic view wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Both sides are just as bad


Yeah both the Labour and the Lib dem sides :p

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Postby New Tryphalia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:55 am

Not my fault that all three of your major parties are run by neoliberals and answer to Big Business just like both major parties in the States suck up to Wall Street.
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New Tryphalia wrote:Not my fault that all three of your major parties are run by neoliberals and answer to Big Business just like both major parties in the States suck up to Wall Street.

Alright then; what do you suppose one does about it?

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New Tryphalia wrote:Not my fault that all three of your major parties are run by neoliberals and answer to Big Business just like both major parties in the States suck up to Wall Street.


Let’s see examples to support this BUT BOTH SIDES then.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:00 am

'I was raped by 150 men': Young women claim grooming gang at large in Hull

One woman tells Sky News she was "sold into the sex trade" after she was first raped aged 13, with victims being threatened with weapons including a Taser and a hammer, but the culprits have not been prosecuted.

Sky News has spoken to three young women who have made serious allegations, naming their attackers, and providing documents to back up their stories. Two others have given supporting testimony.

Operation Marksman was wound down after a two-year investigation, with police telling the alleged victims they had exhausted all lines of inquiry.

But in their first TV interviews, the women at the centre of the case say they believe there was enough evidence to take it to court.

Sky News has been examining evidence provided by one young woman called Sarah (not her real name).

It includes photographs of texts from a man threatening to kill her if she does not come immediately and have sex with a number of men.

Sarah says at the age of 13 she was groomed by two men, and after two months one of them raped her.

She told Sky News: "He tried to kiss me, and I was like 'no get off', and he was like 'no, it's time for you to pay now for all the things we've given you'.

"Then he got on top of me and raped me, and I was just a powerless 13-year-old girl. Terrified."

He then took her to a block of flats.

Experts say junior members of gangs are sometimes paid to groom girls in this way.

In a spider graph Sarah later made for the police, she identifies 11 key players who came to the flat - the two groomers, the buyer and some of the regular gang members and clients.

She even numbers them and provides photos to help identify some of the men.

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There is a hell of a lot more in the article that you should read. As well as short videos about it. I hope women like this girl are able to get some justice in the end as this shit is happening far too fucking often on this scale especially with people from certain cultures such as from Pakistan where women are seen as nothing more than meat and needs to be dealt with.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:18 am

NEW Westminster Voting Intention

LAB: 38 (-2)
CON: 36 (+2)
LDEM: 10 (=)
GRN: 5 (=)
SNP: 4 (-1)
OTH: 8 (+1)

2,184 UK adults, 19-21 Nov. Changes 11-12 Nov.

Deleted the other post and found the full result from them directly. Tories narrow the gap but Labour still maintains a lead of 2%
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:30 am

Oh dont mind us! Just loyalist paramilitaries threatening to murder council workers who are trying to build new social housing!

Contractors have withdrawn their services from a number of sites in Rathcoole in Newtownabbey after threats against staff, the Northern Ireland Housing Executive (NIHE) has confirmed. It followed the appearance of graffiti targeting contractors at Monkscoole Tower on Tuesday. Some services, including health and safety work, have stopped, said NIHE.

Police said enquiries are ongoing into the incident. NIHE said it would continue to monitor the situation. "The safety of our staff and contractors is paramount, and we utterly condemn this behaviour," it said in a statement. The site where the graffiti appeared is at one of four adjacent tower blocks that are to be demolished to make way for new social housing. It has been vacant for a number of years.

PSNI Insp Bryan said a report had been received on Tuesday morning "that graffiti had been daubed on the site hoarding at some stage overnight". Antrim and Newtownabbey Mayor Billy Webb said the threats should be "withdrawn immediately". "I very much regret that contractors have been withdrawn as this will have a direct impact on local residents in Rathcoole," he said.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:58 am

Complete and total shutdown on all Pakistani immigration until the left comes up with a better solution.
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Postby Hukhalia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:16 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Complete and total shutdown on all Pakistani immigration until the left comes up with a better solution.

better solution: send all the pakistanis to ostro's town/area
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:21 am

Hukhalia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Complete and total shutdown on all Pakistani immigration until the left comes up with a better solution.

better solution: send all the pakistanis to ostro's town/area


So to be clear, your best response is spite and lashing out.

Not all cultures are equal.
Not all cultures are desirable.
Not all cultures need to be tolerated.
We do not have to subject ourselves to them merely because equality fetishism has caused you to be in denial of reality. They are not our equals and we are not obliged to treat them as such.

What alternative proposal do you have exactly?
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