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The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:

An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long.
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18%
An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics.
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6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now.
28
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A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin.
80
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I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who.
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Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?
68
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:06 am

Labour are struggling to make big inroads with voters - YouGov

Ahead of their party conference this weekend, Labour are in a much better place electorally now than they have been for much of the year. The latest YouGov vote intention polling for the Times found Labour on 35%, 4 points behind the Conservatives on 39%. Last week, we found a 2-point Labour lead.

But what progress have Labour really made with voters since 2019, and to what extent are they advancing now in key political battleground areas up and down the country?

According to new YouGov data collected on 10,000 respondents from 6-18 September, Labour are currently holding on to around two thirds (65%) of those who voted for them in 2019. Almost one in five (19%) would vote for a different party if an election were held tomorrow, while 15% do not know and 2% would not vote.

Of those 2019 Labour voters who gave us a party vote intention (i.e. excluding those who will not vote or are currently unsure), 78% said they would stick with Labour. At this point 11% would vote Green instead, 4% would now vote Conservative, and another 4% would vote Liberal Democrat. A mere 1% would switch to Reform UK. This suggests that Labour face their biggest thread from the left – specifically the Greens – when it comes to shoring up their voter base from the last election.


How would 2019 Labour voters cast their ballots now?

LAB: 78%
CON: 4%
LDEM: 4%
GRN: 11%
SNP: 1%
RFUK: 1%
PLAID: 1%
OTH: 1%

And what of 2019 voters who did not back Labour? What progress have Labour made winning over voters who did not support them under Corbyn at the last election? According to YouGov data, of those who did vote in 2019 but did not support Labour, 7% of them now would vote for Starmer’s party if an election were held tomorrow. Almost three-quarters (70%) would remain voting for other parties, 20% do not know, and 3% would not vote.

While 7% is a notable number, it does not suggest that Labour is doing a strong enough job of making serious inroads with voters who did not back them in their worst electoral defeat since before the second world war. Combined with the leakage of voters on the party’s left flank, the situation is not one which Labour can be altogether comfortable with.


There is also some stats on voters in the "Blue Wall" and "Red Wall" areas where the Conservatives are down in both (45 from 52 in the Blue Wall and 44 from 48 in the Red Wall) but Labour only gaining in the "Blue Wall" up to 26% from 20% in 2019 and remaining on 38% in the "Red Wall". Greens are up in both going to 11% in the "Blue Wall" and up to 6% in the "Red Wall". Liberal Democrats are also down to 15% from 24% in the "Blue Wall".
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:09 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I've heard of gambling addicts who tried to take up video games to fill the time they'd otherwise have spent at the bookies, only to relapse because so many games now are full of gambling mechanics.


Yeah just thinking games I've played in the last year with a gambling mechanic or mini game, FIFA, Gwent, Cod mobile(obviously plenty of others with loot box's in them but there is also stuff like Red Dead with actual gambling games so I can see that too. It's certainly an area to look at, there needs to probably be more stuff you can just buy and less stuff that's paid loot boxes. I spend way more in games when I know what I'm buying V loot boxes but obviously a good number of people get drawn into the loot boxes especially kids in some games.

There is a lot of predatory bullshit that goes on with video games especially when it comes to microtransactions and lootboxes, its nothing more than another type of gambling but this one has even more risks for children compared in shop gambling. It needs to be dealt with and imo legislation should be brought in restricting what kind of microtransactions companies can get away with but im also not sure what forms that should take.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:12 am

Fears Of 'Two-Tier' Shadow Cabinet As Private Donors Bankroll Labour MPs

An interesting tidbit:
“I don’t think you’ll speak to many people who think we are going to win the next election,” the Labour source said.

“I think the constant state of flux over the past few years has just led some people to think to get ready just in case.

“People are talking about the Wes Streeting leadership roadshow and whether Keir’s office realise it’s happening and don’t care or don’t see that it’s happening.

“He’s basically mid campaign now even though there is no contest. He is everywhere, doing everything. He’s trying to do rounds of union delegation dinners. He looks to be the runner for the right at the moment.”

Streeting is widely tipped as a future leader by some MPs who say he wants to be prime minister.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:12 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Yeah just thinking games I've played in the last year with a gambling mechanic or mini game, FIFA, Gwent, Cod mobile(obviously plenty of others with loot box's in them but there is also stuff like Red Dead with actual gambling games so I can see that too. It's certainly an area to look at, there needs to probably be more stuff you can just buy and less stuff that's paid loot boxes. I spend way more in games when I know what I'm buying V loot boxes but obviously a good number of people get drawn into the loot boxes especially kids in some games.

There is a lot of predatory bullshit that goes on with video games especially when it comes to microtransactions and lootboxes, its nothing more than another type of gambling but this one has even more risks for children compared in shop gambling. It needs to be dealt with and imo legislation should be brought in restricting what kind of microtransactions companies can get away with but im also not sure what forms that should take.

The UK is well positioned to do something about gambling in FIFA games, at least. Ban football teams from direct involvement in gambling. Soz, FIFA 2022, no more Premier League teams.
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Grim. At least they were stopped before they could do anything.
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Postby Celritannia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:10 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Grim. At least they were stopped before they could do anything.


Indeed they were.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:18 am


I remember that level of Modern Warfare.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:59 am

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 39% (=)
LAB: 32% (-3)
LDM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 9% (+2)
SNP: 4% (-1)
RFM: 3% (=)

Via @YouGov, 22-23 Sep. Changes w/ 15-16 Sep.


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Postby Philjia » Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:05 am

The voting has completed in the Green Party of England and Wales leadership election, we'll find out who won on October 1st.
Philjia wrote:Here is a very biased guide to the candidates. (Note: The Green Party allows for co-leaders but they must be elected to the position on one ticket, candidates listed together are bidding to be co-leaders, the others would be the exclusive leader)

Adrian Ramsay and Carla Denyer - Adrian Ramsay is a former deputy leader of the party, a former councillor in Norwich, and a co-writer of our election strategy guide. Carla Denyer is a former councillor from Bristol and is now a parliamentary candidate for Bristol West. Their platform is broadly business as usual, albeit with a sharper focus on getting more candidates elected and dealing with certain internal conflicts in the party. They will be my first choice.

Amelia Womack and Tamsin Omond - Amelia Womack is our current deputy leader, Tamsin Omond is a veteran environmental campaigner. Platform broadly similar to Ramsay/Denyer, albeit more strident but with fewer identifiable short term goals. My second choice.

Tina Louise Rothery and Martin Hemingway - Both longtime party campaigners. Would like to reemphasise the environment as our core message. Dull. My third choice, probably, although I can't see that mattering.

Ashley Gunstock - Party campaigner. Thinks the party needs unifying and he's the man to do it. Comes across as in over his head.

Sharah Ali - Spokesperson for Policing & Domestic Safety. Former deputy leader. Would like to reemphasise the environment as our core message. The free speech transphobia candidate. Ghastly man.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:06 am

Keir Starmer has dropped his proposed election reforms for Labour Leadership elections after backlash from trade unions

Keir Starmer has abandoned a key Labour rule change after a furious backlash from trade unions - but will press ahead with a new set of reforms likely to anger Left-wing members.

The Labour leader had wanted to ditch the one-member-one-vote system for leadership elections and shift the party back to the electoral college, which saw the vote for new leaders split between unions, grassroots members and MPs.

But Left-wing members branded it undemocratic and he was forced to U-turn after standoff with unions late on Friday.

Following talks late into the evening, however, Starmer has agreed a new package of reforms, which the party's ruling National Executive Committee will vote on at 11am.

They include a higher nomination bar to become a leadership candidate to 25% of MPs (around 50 MPs on current numbers).

The leader also wants to ditch the registered supporters scheme, which allows people who pay a small fee and sign a declaration of support able to vote in leadership elections.

It is understood he will stick with his proposal to raise the bar for which MPs can face a deselection threat. Currently, if either a third of members or a third of affiliates want to block their MPs' candidacy at the next general election, a race can be triggered.

Starmer wants to raise the bar for a selection challenge to half of both members and trade unions/affiliates.

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Postby Michel Meilleur » Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:36 am


Tbf, that's just Journalists being Journalists. They're not paid to inform peoples. They're paid to sell a story, and that story is decided by the peoples in charge of them for their own benefit.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:39 am

Michel Meilleur wrote:

Tbf, that's just Journalists being Journalists. They're not paid to inform peoples. They're paid to sell a story, and that story is decided by the peoples in charge of them for their own benefit.

I know, just thought it was worth sharing regardless. I like to do these multiposts in this thread at times when its a bit quiet to give people some different topics to potentially talk about.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:52 am

Anybody seen Phil McCann today?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:55 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Anybody seen Phil McCann today?

Truly the hero Britain needs.
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Ifreann wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Anybody seen Phil McCann today?

Truly the hero Britain needs.


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Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Truly the hero Britain needs.


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If you say so, officer.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:04 am

UUP leader Beattie rejects Donaldson’s calls for unionist pact to stop Sinn Fein

UUP leader Doug Beattie has affirmed “there will be no union pacts” in response to Sir Jeffrey Donaldson’s calls for such arrangements ahead of the next Stormont election.

The Upper Bann MLA said that all unionist parties reject the Northern Ireland Protocol and want to see it replaced, but that “none of this requires pacts and there will be no pacts.”

His statement comes hours after DUP leader Donaldson called for a unionist pact to help return “as many as possible pro-Union, anti-protocol MLAs”, to keep Sinn fein from becoming the largest party.

Sir Jeffrey spoke of his respect for the UUP leader, as well as TUV leader Jim Allister, saying he believed they could “work together” to broaden unionism’s appeal.

He added that he feels the Republic of Ireland is increasingly taking an “aggressive approach” to unionists.

However, Mr Beattie completely rejected the offer of any pacts on Saturday.

“We will work with anybody for the good of the people of Northern Ireland,” he said.

“That could be on child poverty, social housing, health, education and promoting the Union itself. As a political party we are confident in our pro-Union message.

“It is for others to ask if they wish to vote for positive unionism or negative unionism, to vote for a vision for the people of Northern Ireland focused on the future or a backward protectionist, power-driven vision focused on self-preservation.

“If it is the former, then the vote will be for the Ulster Unionist Party and a Northern Ireland confident with its place within the United Kingdom.”

As the DUP prepares to celebrate its 50th birthday next week, Sir Jeffrey said his primary focus was on the next Assembly election. Scheduled for May 2022, it could be held as early as January if his party brings down Stormont over the protocol.

The protocol is the means by which a hard border is avoided on the island of Ireland. It sees Northern Ireland continue to follow EU rules, and thus it creates a de facto sea border with GB through border checks for food and other imports, which has angered unionists.

Sir Jeffrey also indicated that DUP elected representatives in future could be increasingly allowed to vote according to their conscience on social issues, after the party had its first ever sit-down meeting with a LGBTQ group at Stormont earlier this week.


The DUP in desperation are now calling for a pact between Unionist parties to prevent Sinn Fein from becoming the largest party in Stormont, but the UUP and Doug Beattie have rejected this. I can see the TUV rejecting it as well as both of these parties stand to gain massively from the DUP's projected losses.

Now when it comes to the UUP and rejecting pacts, well they did that before for the 2019 GE. Then once the UDA, sorry, "Community Spokespersons" got involved the UUP quickly changed their tone and agreed to not run a candidate in North Belfast so the DUP could run unopposed, so lets see if we are gona have a repeat of that or if Beattie will hold his ground.
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Bit quiet round here, everybody out getting petrol?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:04 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Bit quiet round here, everybody out getting petrol?

Must be a great day for Brits, queues everywhere.
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The Nihilistic view wrote:Bit quiet round here, everybody out getting petrol?


Should we talk about the Health Secretary completely throwing out science in order to declare that women are defined by cervixes?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Bit quiet round here, everybody out getting petrol?

Must be a great day for Brits, queues everywhere.


I think people might be finding it a little less amusing than I am. But I'm chilling in the country having two weeks off, first for about two years and no intention to go anywhere. The less people I see the better after the last two years in retail!
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The Nihilistic view wrote:Bit quiet round here, everybody out getting petrol?


Should we talk about the Health Secretary completely throwing out science in order to declare that women are defined by cervixes?


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