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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
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The PLO has no military. Israel has ensured this. How would you expect them to police HAMAS?

Israel is the occupying power in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. But they don't provide security. They leave it to the locals but don't allow them any of the things needed to provide security, Then they blow them up for not doing the thing they can't do.

I appreciate this. You and Heloin have made me more pro-Palestine.

Has Palestine tried to negotiate with hamas however?


There is no nation called Palestine really. And the rulers can talk with Hamas, but what is their leverage? They can't do anything but talk, they have no guns.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck that Israel likes.

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 11, 2021 5:15 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:I appreciate this. You and Heloin have made me more pro-Palestine.

Has Palestine tried to negotiate with hamas however?


There is no nation called Palestine really. And the rulers can talk with Hamas, but what is their leverage? They can't do anything but talk, they have no guns.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck that Israel likes.

I want to talk to the leader of Palestine.
Ok, which leader of which group of which part?
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Postby Fahran » Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 pm

Cultural Posadism wrote:Because the apartheid state must justify its own existence by constantly escalating what would normally be a conflict with a criminal organization into a war against the entire Palestinian people.

Hamas isn't a criminal organization. It's the duly elected government of Gaza with about as much legitimacy locally as the PLO and an organized militant organization to boot. A war is absolutely the appropriate response, but Israel could have avoided a war by not elevating tensions in East Jerusalem unnecessarily.
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Postby Fahran » Tue May 11, 2021 5:29 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:Both sides are godawful and there is no better or worse side... if you state you "support Palestine" or "support Israel" you are lying to yourself

I support both broadly and oppose both when it comes to concrete details.
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Postby Fahran » Tue May 11, 2021 5:31 pm

Nakena wrote:I like how news is whining about worstest violence in middle east in seven years.

What the fuck is Syria to you? What's an Aleppo?

Fuck you MSM.

We in the West have a long history of prioritizing the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict because it's especially salient to us for some reason. That said, the present situation is not a good one at all, and we should expect it to deteriorate in the coming months.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 5:36 pm

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 11, 2021 5:55 pm



Seeing this and the rockets and Lod, I think Israel is going into sectarian Civil war.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 5:55 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Oh dear. Are they even human to you?


Oh dear two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet, yeah better they take eachother out before they try to finish off whats left of the rest of the worlds faiths.

Oh dear, not an ounce of basic human empathy here. Two civilian populations who have been relentlessly terrorized by missile fire, have watched their kids die in front of them as they get blown to pieces, and have suffered immensely overall, and your response is "YEAH LET THEM TAKE EACH OTHER OUT WOOO LOL XD." What an absolute joke.

"Two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet?" I was unaware that the population of all these countries should be judged by the actions of their ancestors and religious people of the past, but I honestly shouldn't be surprised that you believe this, given that you cannot even differentiate Palestine from Hamas.

There's more reason to care than just "wow both sides are Abrahamic, I guess I as an Abrahamic must support them." People care because there are two civilian populations suffering greatly. Do you keep this same mentality for everything else? Are you fine with seeing a Christian getting run over by a car because "better they take each other out?" Or the same for a Jew getting shot? Is it great that they died? - "yeah better they take each other out" after all! All this shows is a complete lack of empathy, and that you don't find it worth your time to have empathy for innocent people if they follow the wrong religion. This ironically perpetuates the same injustice which you accuse the Abrahamic faiths of in the first place.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 11, 2021 5:56 pm

MGTOWia wrote:Not feeling the sympathy for so-called palestinians.


Nice to see you're cool with storming a religious house of worship and firing tear gas into it. Good you don't have a hand in middle east peace or we would have already had a world war over this shit.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 11, 2021 5:58 pm

This whole situation is beyond sad. Innocent civilians among both the Palestinians and Israelis are being killed and will be killed in the coming weeks. IDF draftees, some younger than myself, will die in Gaza fighting a war they didn't have a choice to fight. Cities will burn down. People will lose their homes. And the two communities will only unjustly hate each other more. I know people over there, I'd better make sure they're alright.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 11, 2021 6:02 pm



God that whole building fell sideways. How does a building do that? And the footage of the rockets at night was almost surreal. How do people live like this, walking outside and seeing the night sky above their town lit by rockets?
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 6:03 pm

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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 6:07 pm

Muzehnaya wrote:
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Oh dear two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet, yeah better they take eachother out before they try to finish off whats left of the rest of the worlds faiths.

Oh dear, not an ounce of basic human empathy here. Two civilian populations who have been relentlessly terrorized by missile fire, have watched their kids die in front of them as they get blown to pieces, and have suffered immensely overall, and your response is "YEAH LET THEM TAKE EACH OTHER OUT WOOO LOL XD." What an absolute joke.

"Two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet?" I was unaware that the population of all these countries should be judged by the actions of their ancestors and religious people of the past, but I honestly shouldn't be surprised that you believe this, given that you cannot even differentiate Palestine from Hamas.

There's more reason to care than just "wow both sides are Abrahamic, I guess I as an Abrahamic must support them." People care because there are two civilian populations suffering greatly. Do you keep this same mentality for everything else? Are you fine with seeing a Christian getting run over by a car because "better they take each other out?" Or the same for a Jew getting shot? Is it great that they died? - "yeah better they take each other out" after all! All this shows is a complete lack of empathy, and that you don't find it worth your time to have empathy for innocent people if they follow the wrong religion. This ironically perpetuates the same injustice which you accuse the Abrahamic faiths of in the first place.


If two religious armies want to massacre eachother thats on them, the innocent lives lost is sad, for everyone else, let the best zealot win i guess
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 6:09 pm

Hamas claims to have completed the "greatest retaliatory attack" against Israel

as far as I can figure out, this one was over Israel's airstrike on a residential block earlier today
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue May 11, 2021 6:12 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Oh dear two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet, yeah better they take eachother out before they try to finish off whats left of the rest of the worlds faiths.


Yeah, that's a stupidly oversimplified view of the situation.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 6:28 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Oh dear, not an ounce of basic human empathy here. Two civilian populations who have been relentlessly terrorized by missile fire, have watched their kids die in front of them as they get blown to pieces, and have suffered immensely overall, and your response is "YEAH LET THEM TAKE EACH OTHER OUT WOOO LOL XD." What an absolute joke.

"Two religious fanatics that have cut a bloody swath of torture, forced conversion and mass death across the planet?" I was unaware that the population of all these countries should be judged by the actions of their ancestors and religious people of the past, but I honestly shouldn't be surprised that you believe this, given that you cannot even differentiate Palestine from Hamas.

There's more reason to care than just "wow both sides are Abrahamic, I guess I as an Abrahamic must support them." People care because there are two civilian populations suffering greatly. Do you keep this same mentality for everything else? Are you fine with seeing a Christian getting run over by a car because "better they take each other out?" Or the same for a Jew getting shot? Is it great that they died? - "yeah better they take each other out" after all! All this shows is a complete lack of empathy, and that you don't find it worth your time to have empathy for innocent people if they follow the wrong religion. This ironically perpetuates the same injustice which you accuse the Abrahamic faiths of in the first place.


If two religious armies want to massacre eachother thats on them, the innocent lives lost is sad, for everyone else, let the best zealot win i guess

Religious armies? I don't understand your desire to simplify this down to religion, despite the multitude of other factors involved. Even without religion being involved at all, this situation would still be a mess.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm

Fahran wrote:
Senkaku wrote:As WRA pointed out earlier, there’s not a lot of ways to verify whether the IDF is telling the truth that a given civilian building is actually a secret weapons storehouse or not. The reality is they’re lobbing heavy weapons into a populated urban environment with minimal or no warning for people in the targeted areas;

A warning was given well in advance for the targeted strike in question. Given Al Jazeera reported on it, I imagine they've gotten confirmation that nobody was injured from Hamas as well as other sources.

Senkaku wrote:in practice it’s as much a terror bombing campaign against the people of Gaza as it is an effort to defend Israel (Iron Dome usually does a perfectly good job with rocket attacks and there’s almost no other way Hamas can actually strike Israel).

Two Israelis were allegedly killed in the recent violence and the rocket attacks have managed to get past the Iron Dome. That's likely what prompted the extreme level of retaliation we're seeing at present. Israel also had a senior militant leader assassinated in response to rocket attacks near Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

I strongly agree with Fahran. I don't need to make any further comments, because the comment says it all.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 6:54 pm

Airstrike on residential building in al-hawa neighborhood kills 10, 1 child

(or 11, if you're pro-life, one of the victims was pregnant)
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This might be footage from Syria
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Herzpunkt wrote:This might be footage from Syria

It may be older footage, yeah. We'll see if confirmation is forthcoming.
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Postby Odreria » Tue May 11, 2021 7:06 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:This might be footage from Syria

Is there any reason in particular to think so?
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Odreria wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:This might be footage from Syria

Is there any reason in particular to think so?


Look at the tweet and all the responses
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