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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 12:56 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:https://youtu.be/9nyK7QwAIVY

You got to love the calls for jihad and caliphates, even have a nice black flag in their

They're asking for other so called """Muslim""" countries to get off their ass and help liberate them.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 11, 2021 1:12 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Let everyone note the protest in the video is years old, half of the people are waiving white, not black flags, and not one do they say the words “jihad” or “caliphate”.


How old does it have to be? You have argued a hundred years ago in some cases have you not? Or does that only apply when its politically convenient?

The fact this protest is from years ago means it’s not connected with the recent violence.

Are you seriously equivocating France colonizing Africa for a hundred years with a couple year old clip of Palestinians asking other Muslim countries to help them not die?
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 1:35 pm

Israeli cop goes to throw stun grenade at crowd of medics, realizes he's being filmed, stops

Footage shows an Israeli police officer preparing to throw a stun grenade into a crowd of mostly medics and journalists before stopping at the last second.

VICE News correspondent Hind Hassan began filming Israeli police immediately after a stun grenade was used against a group of people next to an ambulance.

The incident took place in Jerusalem’s Old City on Monday, as police fired rubber bullets, tear gas, and stun grenades near al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in Islam. In the footage filmed close to the Lions’ Gate entrance to the al-Aqsa compound, the police officer is moments away from lobbing the stun grenade before apparently receiving an order not to when it becomes apparent he’s being filmed. Only journalists, paramedics treating those injured in the violence near al-Aqsa and other civilians were in the area being targeted by stun grenades.

“It wasn’t the first time that something like that was happening and this time he was caught in the act,” Hassan said.


footage here
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:41 pm

Kowani wrote:Israeli cop goes to throw stun grenade at crowd of medics, realizes he's being filmed, stops

Footage shows an Israeli police officer preparing to throw a stun grenade into a crowd of mostly medics and journalists before stopping at the last second.

VICE News correspondent Hind Hassan began filming Israeli police immediately after a stun grenade was used against a group of people next to an ambulance.

The incident took place in Jerusalem’s Old City on Monday, as police fired rubber bullets, tear gas, and stun grenades near al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in Islam. In the footage filmed close to the Lions’ Gate entrance to the al-Aqsa compound, the police officer is moments away from lobbing the stun grenade before apparently receiving an order not to when it becomes apparent he’s being filmed. Only journalists, paramedics treating those injured in the violence near al-Aqsa and other civilians were in the area being targeted by stun grenades.

“It wasn’t the first time that something like that was happening and this time he was caught in the act,” Hassan said.


footage here


It could also be that they know whatever they do will be used by blue check marks for propaganda.

That being said, are tear gas and flashbangs equal to rocket attacks and suicide bombers?

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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 1:44 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Kowani wrote:Israeli cop goes to throw stun grenade at crowd of medics, realizes he's being filmed, stops

Footage shows an Israeli police officer preparing to throw a stun grenade into a crowd of mostly medics and journalists before stopping at the last second.

VICE News correspondent Hind Hassan began filming Israeli police immediately after a stun grenade was used against a group of people next to an ambulance.

The incident took place in Jerusalem’s Old City on Monday, as police fired rubber bullets, tear gas, and stun grenades near al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in Islam. In the footage filmed close to the Lions’ Gate entrance to the al-Aqsa compound, the police officer is moments away from lobbing the stun grenade before apparently receiving an order not to when it becomes apparent he’s being filmed. Only journalists, paramedics treating those injured in the violence near al-Aqsa and other civilians were in the area being targeted by stun grenades.

“It wasn’t the first time that something like that was happening and this time he was caught in the act,” Hassan said.


footage here


It could also be that they know whatever they do will be used by blue check marks for propaganda.

what
That being said, are tear gas and flashbangs equal to rocket attacks and suicide bombers?

you know, i'm of the belief that attacking medical personnel should not automatically be turned into a whataboutism
strange, that
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Kowani wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
It could also be that they know whatever they do will be used by blue check marks for propaganda.

what
That being said, are tear gas and flashbangs equal to rocket attacks and suicide bombers?

you know, i'm of the belief that attacking medical personnel should not automatically be turned into a whataboutism
strange, that


Okay but do we also have the full context of the video?

I mean, if he did then its bullshit straight up and i wouldnt even be surprised, israeli is jewish state first so they are gonna be dicks
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:So now we're into blowing up residential tower blocks with air strikes.

Because that's totally an OK thing to do now.


Considering we know Hamas uses civilian buildings to launch attacks we need more information, was the building being used for manpads or other direct/indirect weapons fire?
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 1:49 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Kowani wrote:what

you know, i'm of the belief that attacking medical personnel should not automatically be turned into a whataboutism
strange, that


Okay but do we also have the full context of the video?

I mean, if he did then its bullshit straight up and i wouldnt even be surprised, israeli is jewish state first so they are gonna be dicks

...in what context is throwing stun grenades at medical personnel okay???
the plaza is (relatively) peaceful, it's not like they're being attacked by hamas members disguised as medics
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 11, 2021 1:49 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So now we're into blowing up residential tower blocks with air strikes.

Because that's totally an OK thing to do now.


Considering we know Hamas uses civilian buildings to launch attacks we need more information, was the building being used for manpads or other direct/indirect weapons fire?


So we're doing apologism for wanton destruction of civilian housing now too.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Okay but do we also have the full context of the video?

I mean, if he did then its bullshit straight up and i wouldnt even be surprised, israeli is jewish state first so they are gonna be dicks

...in what context is throwing stun grenades at medical personnel okay???
the plaza is (relatively) peaceful, it's not like they're being attacked by hamas members disguised as medics



Idk im just asking, maybe their is something we didnt see
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Considering we know Hamas uses civilian buildings to launch attacks we need more information, was the building being used for manpads or other direct/indirect weapons fire?


So we're doing apologism for wanton destruction of civilian housing now too.


Asking for more information is not apologism, its asking for more information.

If a military strike was conducted on the building then obviously their was a reason it was specifically targeted
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Kowani wrote:...in what context is throwing stun grenades at medical personnel okay???
the plaza is (relatively) peaceful, it's not like they're being attacked by hamas members disguised as medics



Idk im just asking, maybe their is something we didnt see


Or maybe the police officer is just looking for an excuse to hurt people and stopped because he realised he was on camera and wouldn't be able to get away with it.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Kowani wrote:...in what context is throwing stun grenades at medical personnel okay???
the plaza is (relatively) peaceful, it's not like they're being attacked by hamas members disguised as medics



Idk im just asking, maybe their is something we didnt see

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 11, 2021 1:54 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So now we're into blowing up residential tower blocks with air strikes.

Because that's totally an OK thing to do now.


Considering we know Hamas uses civilian buildings to launch attacks we need more information, was the building being used for manpads or other direct/indirect weapons fire?


No. The bottom floor was a Hamas political office, so they made 80 families homeless to do the equivalent of destroying a place where they hand out pamphlets.
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Postby Fahran » Tue May 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:So we're doing apologism for wanton destruction of civilian housing now too.

Israel has an established policy of retaliating against rocket attacks by bombing the immediate sites associated with said attacks. Given Hamas is in the process of retaliating against Israel for the assassination of a senior commander and the occupation of al-Aqsa, I wouldn't describe this as "wanton" destruction. It's a targeted strike against enemies who refuse to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I'm getting the impression that we're on the cusp of another Intifada, which means we'll likely see thousands dead in the next couple years.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Considering we know Hamas uses civilian buildings to launch attacks we need more information, was the building being used for manpads or other direct/indirect weapons fire?


No. The bottom floor was a Hamas political office, so they made 80 families homeless to do the equivalent of destroying a place where they hand out pamphlets.


Who is they? Israel didnt turn that building into a Hamas propaganda outlet
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No. The bottom floor was a Hamas political office, so they made 80 families homeless to do the equivalent of destroying a place where they hand out pamphlets.


Who is they? Israel didnt turn that building into a Hamas propaganda outlet


They being the moronic Israeli military. Blowing up that building will aid Hamas' propaganda machine so much more than letting the office remain ever would have.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 2:00 pm

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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue May 11, 2021 2:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Who is they? Israel didnt turn that building into a Hamas propaganda outlet


They being the moronic Israeli military. Blowing up that building will aid Hamas' propaganda machine so much more than letting the office remain ever would have.

The Zionist moon logic of perpetually escalating conflict to the point where there is not a single Palestinian civilian who doesn't have a good reason to want every IDF soldier dead.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 2:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Who is they? Israel didnt turn that building into a Hamas propaganda outlet


They being the moronic Israeli military. Blowing up that building will aid Hamas' propaganda machine so much more than letting the office remain ever would have.


Dude idk what to say anymore the abrahamists should just all go back to the middle east and keep their blood baths to themselves.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 2:10 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 2:11 pm

Fahran wrote:I'm getting the impression that we're on the cusp of another Intifada, which means we'll likely see thousands dead in the next couple years.

For what it's worth, the UN coordinator for the ME seems to agree with you
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Postby Fahran » Tue May 11, 2021 2:11 pm

Cultural Posadism wrote:The Zionist moon logic of perpetually escalating conflict to the point where there is not a single Palestinian civilian who doesn't have a good reason to want every IDF soldier dead.

I hate to say it, but there's no point in attempting deescalation in Gaza in the absence of a peace settlement. All efforts to deescalate and all gestures of good will in the past thirty or so years have tended to lead to upticks in violence from local Palestinian militants, most notably in the case of Israel's disengagement policy. The optimum way to ensure Israeli security in the absence of a functioning peace process is to make Hamas and other militant groups wholly incapable of waging unconventional warfare by destroying all infrastructure, munitions, and arms, picking apart the command structures, and demoralizing the civilian population to such an extent that they don't have the will to fight.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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