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Postby Nakena » Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 am

Herzpunkt wrote:https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1393706938995675136?s=21

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This is just dumb.

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Postby Senkaku » Tue May 18, 2021 12:23 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Even if, for the sake of the argument, there were weapons in the hospital, it still does not justify missile striking the hospital and killing patients and doctors inside. And furthermore, I find it unlikely that an entire hospital would happily just let Hamas hide their weapons there without issue. Of course, this is all totally useless speculation, because even the IDF hasn't spoken up about what prompted the strike.

EDIT: Also I went by The Independent report on the hospital strike for latest civilian casualties.


This is a quote from an article regarding the past experiences of an AP reporter in Gaza during the past conflicts.

"Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)"

Funny the same hospital stuck was the same one sources say in the past conflicts have treated Hamas fighters. Note that this is a Hamas operated hospital as well. Everyone working there knew the risks.

Saying "it's a Hamas-operated hospital" about a hospital in Gaza is like saying "it's a VA hospital" in the US. That's just... a government hospital in the context of Gaza. Knowingly bombing hospitals is a war crime, even ones full of combatants-- why do you think military hospital ships have huge, highly visible markings and no camouflage? It's so anyone shooting at their fleet knows not to shoot at the fucking hospital ship. Same goes on land; don't bomb hospitals, regardless of who's in them. One of the first war crimes that civilized modern countries ever agreed on, and you're out here making excuses for why Israel (the Middle East's shining beacon of democracy and human rights) is doing it left and right-- I'm almost impressed you're willing to sink so low.

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:Right, because the missile attack was completely at random and not an escalation after a campaign of Israeli bombings.

Israel's been bombing Palestine for decades, but when anyone shoots back all the sudden it's an unprovoked act of terrorism.


Didn't Hamas fire first? Israel only launched retaliation strikes after the Hamas attack.

Yes, it's bad that Hamas fired first, but what do you expect after the Israelis fire tear gas inside the Al-Aqsa Mosque during Ramadan after trying to evict a bunch of Palestinians from East Jerusalem? For the Israelis to constantly paint themselves as the innocent victim to the world after provoking attacks from a government they've allowed to take and stay in power (they are still the occupying power responsible for Gaza, it's not a sovereign recognized entity), and for that supposed victimhood to justify the kind of punishment they're doling out on Gaza, is just absurd.

It isn't their fault their attacks are more effective.

It is. It literally is their fault. They're the ones who developed a massive air force and a sophisticated missile defense system, and they're the ones who blockaded Gaza so thoroughly that Hamas doesn't have the resources to acquire its own air defenses and just has to make do with marginal improvements to its irrigation-pipe rockets.

Notably Hamas is firing rockets, not missiles. Rockets are unguided and will hit anywhere.

Including random fields or inside Gaza itself, which sort of gives the lie to the idea that someone mentioned earlier that Israel would be "rubble" without Iron Dome. It'd be a lot messier, yes, but even the heaviest barrages Hamas can muster don't compare to what the IDF has to offer.

Modern missiles such as those fired by Israel are precise and hit what they intend to hit.

In this case, hundreds of Palestinian civilians.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 18, 2021 12:28 am

Nakena wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1393706938995675136?s=21

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This is just dumb.


Taking anything Andy Ngo says at face value is pretty dumb, yes.

Surprised he's not still ranting about concrete milkshakes.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 18, 2021 12:43 am

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Nakena wrote:
This is just dumb.


Taking anything Andy Ngo says at face value is pretty dumb, yes.

Surprised he's not still ranting about concrete milkshakes.


I don't care about Andy. I was talking about the video thats being showing some people being very stupid.

Unless you claiming that Andy has staged it with crisis actors that is.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 18, 2021 12:43 am

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Taking anything Andy Ngo says at face value is pretty dumb, yes.

Surprised he's not still ranting about concrete milkshakes.


I don't care about Andy. I was talking about the video thats being showing some people being very stupid.

Unless you claiming that Andy has has staged it with crisis actors that is.


After his magically healing brain hemorrhage, it wouldn't surprise me.

But then he does see Antifa behind every bin and in every shadow.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 18, 2021 12:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I don't care about Andy. I was talking about the video thats being showing some people being very stupid.

Unless you claiming that Andy has has staged it with crisis actors that is.


After his magically healing brain hemorrhage, it wouldn't surprise me.

But then he does see Antifa behind every bin and in every shadow.


So you believe this video was staged by Andy Ngo and his band of most excellent crisis actors?

I mean wow. thats quite production values. They even got stuntman!
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 18, 2021 12:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I don't care about Andy. I was talking about the video thats being showing some people being very stupid.

Unless you claiming that Andy has has staged it with crisis actors that is.


After his magically healing brain hemorrhage, it wouldn't surprise me.

But then he does see Antifa behind every bin and in every shadow.

will a leftist account work, then

like
andy ngo is a propagandist and a bullshit artist-and all of his claims should be held suspect until they can be verified
but this one appears pretty real
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 18, 2021 1:06 am

Kowani wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
After his magically healing brain hemorrhage, it wouldn't surprise me.

But then he does see Antifa behind every bin and in every shadow.

will a leftist account work, then

like
andy ngo is a propagandist and a bullshit artist-and all of his claims should be held suspect until they can be verified
but this one appears pretty real


So where's all the antifa then?
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 18, 2021 1:08 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kowani wrote:will a leftist account work, then

like
andy ngo is a propagandist and a bullshit artist-and all of his claims should be held suspect until they can be verified
but this one appears pretty real


So where's all the antifa then?


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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 18, 2021 1:10 am

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So where's all the antifa then?


:roll:

Here we go


One person with a flag = mass antifa rally now.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 18, 2021 1:12 am

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:roll:

Here we go


One person with a flag = mass antifa rally now.



I really don’t get why people even bother giving you the time of day.
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Ifreann wrote:I think that if they were trying very hard to avoid civilian casualties then they wouldn't be invading Gaza at all.


Hm yes. Sure, I’d agree with that. But given military operations were ongoing, what makes you think that the Israelis aren’t attempting to avoid civilian casualties in that context?

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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 18, 2021 5:53 am

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How the fuck is Hamas genociding Israel? 10 Israelis have died, and while that isn't good, thats not shit compared compared Israel flattening city blocks, the AP's headquarters, a couple charities and a hospital.


How many people before you will call it attempted genocide? Whats the exact number?


So 10 Israelis dead can count as attempted genocide, but not ethnic cleansing and bombing Palestinian civilians for existing?
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue May 18, 2021 5:59 am

Herzpunkt wrote:https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1393706938995675136?s=21

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Postby Immortan Khan » Tue May 18, 2021 6:04 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Even if, for the sake of the argument, there were weapons in the hospital, it still does not justify missile striking the hospital and killing patients and doctors inside. And furthermore, I find it unlikely that an entire hospital would happily just let Hamas hide their weapons there without issue. Of course, this is all totally useless speculation, because even the IDF hasn't spoken up about what prompted the strike.

EDIT: Also I went by The Independent report on the hospital strike for latest civilian casualties.


This is a quote from an article regarding the past experiences of an AP reporter in Gaza during the past conflicts.

"Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)"

Funny the same hospital stuck was the same one sources say in the past conflicts have treated Hamas fighters. Note that this is a Hamas operated hospital as well. Everyone working there knew the risks.

You went off of The Independent which got its numbers from the Gaza health ministry.

"Israeli strikes on Gaza have damaged health facilities, killed two prominent Palestinian doctors, and destroyed roads around the strip’s largest hospital, Gaza health officials and international rights groups have claimed."

"The latest bombardment was so intense, it has impacted the ability of medics to treat the wounded, health officials added."

Treating wounded fighters and being operated by the Hamas government doesn't revoke the protections hospitals have under international military law lmao. Are you going to say that it's legitimate to purposefully aim at a combat medic who clearly distinguishes themselves to be a combat medic and is not armed with a rifle?
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 18, 2021 6:06 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Even if, for the sake of the argument, there were weapons in the hospital, it still does not justify missile striking the hospital and killing patients and doctors inside. And furthermore, I find it unlikely that an entire hospital would happily just let Hamas hide their weapons there without issue. Of course, this is all totally useless speculation, because even the IDF hasn't spoken up about what prompted the strike.

EDIT: Also I went by The Independent report on the hospital strike for latest civilian casualties.


This is a quote from an article regarding the past experiences of an AP reporter in Gaza during the past conflicts.

"Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)"

Funny the same hospital stuck was the same one sources say in the past conflicts have treated Hamas fighters. Note that this is a Hamas operated hospital as well. Everyone working there knew the risks.

You went off of The Independent which got its numbers from the Gaza health ministry.

"Israeli strikes on Gaza have damaged health facilities, killed two prominent Palestinian doctors, and destroyed roads around the strip’s largest hospital, Gaza health officials and international rights groups have claimed."

"The latest bombardment was so intense, it has impacted the ability of medics to treat the wounded, health officials added."


The Red Crescent has been known to treat people from both sides in conflicts. The status as “hospital” doesn’t disappear depending on whom a hospital treats.

Also, you don’t trust Gaza health officials? They’re the ones in Gaza!
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 18, 2021 6:07 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1393706938995675136?s=21

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The political protest version of fruadsters who jump in front of cars.

Very rude to suggest that Andy Ngo is a fraudster. As if he would lie about his brain being seriously injured by a milkshake.

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Ifreann wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
The political protest version of fruadsters who jump in front of cars.

Very rude to suggest that Andy Ngo is a fraudster. As if he would lie about his brain being seriously injured by a milkshake.

The milkshake was made by militants from ICES.


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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 18, 2021 8:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
The political protest version of fruadsters who jump in front of cars.

Very rude to suggest that Andy Ngo is a fraudster. As if he would lie about his brain being seriously injured by a milkshake.


Pretty sure someone hit him in the head with a bike lock

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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 18, 2021 8:33 am

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Ifreann wrote:Very rude to suggest that Andy Ngo is a fraudster. As if he would lie about his brain being seriously injured by a milkshake.


Pretty sure someone hit him in the head with a bike lock

It was a milkshake. A very dangerous milkshake that caused a brain haemorrhage.

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Pretty sure someone hit him in the head with a bike lock

It was a milkshake. A very dangerous milkshake that caused a brain haemorrhage.


He was hit with a milk but he was also with with a bike lock which ended up causing some bleeding in his skull.

So please stop with the cringe Antifa take, its just....so cringe
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