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Postby Odreria » Tue May 11, 2021 7:09 pm

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Odreria wrote:Is there any reason in particular to think so?


Look at the tweet and all the responses

Yeah I saw people saying it was from syria without any evidence, but I’m wondering if there’s any evidence
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 7:09 pm

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Herzpunkt wrote:This might be footage from Syria

Is there any reason in particular to think so?

I believe both Russia and the US led coalition made use of it in Syria.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue May 11, 2021 7:11 pm

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Oh dear. Are they even human to you?

Israel ramps up airstrikes as barrage of rockets from Gaza continues
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There is violence on both sides that needs to stop, but Israel strikes back hard when attacked.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 7:11 pm

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Herzpunkt wrote:
Look at the tweet and all the responses

Yeah I saw people saying it was from syria without any evidence, but I’m wondering if there’s any evidence


Idk but the videos ive seen look very similar, to the point they might just be different angles. But if they are sharing videos like this without confirming then thats pretty gross
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Postby Nerodanus » Tue May 11, 2021 7:12 pm

Muzehnaya wrote:
Odreria wrote:Is there any reason in particular to think so?

I believe both Russia and the US led coalition made use of it in Syria.


I am pretty sure I saw similar footage from Syria a while ago. I highly doubt Israel is using White Phos.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 7:13 pm

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Odreria wrote:Yeah I saw people saying it was from syria without any evidence, but I’m wondering if there’s any evidence


Idk but the videos ive seen look very similar, to the point they might just be different angles. But if they are sharing videos like this without confirming then thats pretty gross

I mean, they themselves probably have confirmed that this is in Palestine. I just want to wait on 3rd party confirmation before assuming anything.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 7:13 pm

for what it's worth, every tweet about the white phosphorus says pretty much the exact same thing, with the same video clip- "Reports about white phosphorus being fired by IDF on Palestinians in Gaza on a residential neighborhood You can hear the screams of women and children."

and it's a bunch of decentralized twitter people only, not even the sketchiest media orgs are picking it up
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 7:13 pm

Nerodanus wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:I believe both Russia and the US led coalition made use of it in Syria.


I am pretty sure I saw similar footage from Syria a while ago. I highly doubt Israel is using White Phos.


They are not that stupid, but they could and have easily proven me wrong in the past
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 7:15 pm

Nerodanus wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:I believe both Russia and the US led coalition made use of it in Syria.


I am pretty sure I saw similar footage from Syria a while ago. I highly doubt Israel is using White Phos.

I don't highly doubt that Israel would use white phosphorus, but it's too easy to grab a clip of some other white phosphorus attack, and attach any claim you want to it. That's why I'd like some 3rd party confirmation before accepting the veracity of that video.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue May 11, 2021 7:50 pm

Kowani wrote:for what it's worth, every tweet about the white phosphorus says pretty much the exact same thing, with the same video clip- "Reports about white phosphorus being fired by IDF on Palestinians in Gaza on a residential neighborhood You can hear the screams of women and children."

and it's a bunch of decentralized twitter people only, not even the sketchiest media orgs are picking it up

Yeah, huge grain of salt on that one.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 9:26 pm

Israel opposes UN ceasefire deal

if i could find out what said deal was, that'd be great


or any ceasefire, apparently

Israel will not negotiate a ceasefire before Hamas pays a price for its attacks, a senior Israeli official said on Tuesday.
“Hamas fired a bunch of rockets, and then of course they want a ceasefire, that's perfect for them, they don't have to pay a price for firing on Jerusalem and then 500 rockets,” the official said. “There will be a ceasefire when we're ready for it,” he added.
The official would not confirm or deny a report on Channel 12 News that Israel declined an Egyptian offer to negotiate a ceasefire, nor that Egypt put forward an offer at all.

Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi spoke to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
Ashkenazi "emphasized that Israel has the right to defend its sovereignty and will not allow attempts to hurt its citizens." He said Israel will continue to use a heavy hand against Hamas terrorists. "Hamas chose the path of terrorism and shot over 600 rockets at civilian populations in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, and the center of Israel and its south, hurting dozens of innocent people and killing three," he added.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 9:37 pm

What the hell do they mean "until they pay a price?" You've killed some of their fighters, and you keep killing and wounding civilians even now. When will you people's bloodlust be satisfied?

"Hamas chose the path of terrorism and shot over 600 rockets at civilian populations in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, and the center of Israel and its south, hurting dozens of innocent people and killing three," he added.

And you have responded in kind with your own rockets and have killed at least 15 civilians, and killed children among them. This is not taking revenge against Hamas, you yourself have become killers and murderers.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 11, 2021 9:42 pm

Kowani wrote:Israel opposes UN ceasefire deal

if i could find out what said deal was, that'd be great


or any ceasefire, apparently

Israel will not negotiate a ceasefire before Hamas pays a price for its attacks, a senior Israeli official said on Tuesday.
“Hamas fired a bunch of rockets, and then of course they want a ceasefire, that's perfect for them, they don't have to pay a price for firing on Jerusalem and then 500 rockets,” the official said. “There will be a ceasefire when we're ready for it,” he added.
The official would not confirm or deny a report on Channel 12 News that Israel declined an Egyptian offer to negotiate a ceasefire, nor that Egypt put forward an offer at all.

Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi spoke to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
Ashkenazi "emphasized that Israel has the right to defend its sovereignty and will not allow attempts to hurt its citizens." He said Israel will continue to use a heavy hand against Hamas terrorists. "Hamas chose the path of terrorism and shot over 600 rockets at civilian populations in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, and the center of Israel and its south, hurting dozens of innocent people and killing three," he added.

Israel attacks Palestinians. A Palestinian group responds. Israel bombs Gaza with more heavy firepower then any Palestinian group could hope to muster. Clearly Israel is the victim here.

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Postby Luziyca » Tue May 11, 2021 9:42 pm

Muzehnaya wrote:What the hell do they mean "until they pay a price?" You've killed some of their fighters, and you keep killing and wounding civilians even now. When will you people's bloodlust be satisfied?

Probably when there is no living person remaining in Gaza.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 9:47 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:What the hell do they mean "until they pay a price?" You've killed some of their fighters, and you keep killing and wounding civilians even now. When will you people's bloodlust be satisfied?

Probably when there is no living person remaining in Gaza.

I only pray that Allah (SWT) will protect the innocent people in Palestine and Israel from whatever hell is unleashed upon them next.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue May 11, 2021 9:53 pm

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Luziyca wrote:Probably when there is no living person remaining in Gaza.

I only pray that Allah (SWT) will protect the innocent people in Palestine and Israel from whatever hell is unleashed upon them next.

Same: I hope that there's minimal bloodshed, and that both sides could get to the negotiating table. But I doubt that there's going to be any sort of peace in the region that does not involve ethnic cleansing at best.
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Postby Nerodanus » Tue May 11, 2021 10:02 pm

Heloin wrote:
Kowani wrote:Israel opposes UN ceasefire deal

if i could find out what said deal was, that'd be great


or any ceasefire, apparently

Israel will not negotiate a ceasefire before Hamas pays a price for its attacks, a senior Israeli official said on Tuesday.
“Hamas fired a bunch of rockets, and then of course they want a ceasefire, that's perfect for them, they don't have to pay a price for firing on Jerusalem and then 500 rockets,” the official said. “There will be a ceasefire when we're ready for it,” he added.
The official would not confirm or deny a report on Channel 12 News that Israel declined an Egyptian offer to negotiate a ceasefire, nor that Egypt put forward an offer at all.

Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi spoke to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
Ashkenazi "emphasized that Israel has the right to defend its sovereignty and will not allow attempts to hurt its citizens." He said Israel will continue to use a heavy hand against Hamas terrorists. "Hamas chose the path of terrorism and shot over 600 rockets at civilian populations in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, and the center of Israel and its south, hurting dozens of innocent people and killing three," he added.

Israel attacks Palestinians. A Palestinian group responds. Israel bombs Gaza with more heavy firepower then any Palestinian group could hope to muster. Clearly Israel is the victim here.


Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip and a Terrorist group took charge there and has been firing rockets into Israel ever since. Ceasefires have clearly proven to be ineffective it makes perfect sense that any desire for one is gone. This whole thing started because of a TikTok trend to harass Jews which instigated both sides more extremist groups and it escalated from there.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 10:25 pm

Nerodanus wrote:
Heloin wrote:Israel attacks Palestinians. A Palestinian group responds. Israel bombs Gaza with more heavy firepower then any Palestinian group could hope to muster. Clearly Israel is the victim here.


Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip and a Terrorist group took charge there and has been firing rockets into Israel ever since. Ceasefires have clearly proven to be ineffective it makes perfect sense that any desire for one is gone. This whole thing started because of a TikTok trend to harass Jews which instigated both sides more extremist groups and it escalated from there.

Israel isn't that great at upholding ceasefires themselves. Prior to Operation Cast Lead, Hamas had not fired rockets into Israeli territory for the past 14 months until the IDF shelled a Gaza beach and killed seven civilians. Prior to Operation Pillar of Defense, Israel took advantage of the ceasefire to lure out and kill Hamas official Ahmed al-Jabari. Their whole thing is that they will always try and provoke a response from militants in order to justify their own violence.
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Postby Kowani » Tue May 11, 2021 10:35 pm

Nerodanus wrote: This whole thing started because of a TikTok trend to harass Jews which instigated both sides more extremist groups and it escalated from there.

the fuck are you talking about
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I throughly enjoy how this stuff truly brings out the lowest and most basest instincts and antics in people in about every place i am in. Seems to be really a hot topic.
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Postby Nerodanus » Tue May 11, 2021 10:38 pm

Muzehnaya wrote:Israel isn't that great at upholding ceasefires themselves. Prior to Operation Cast Lead, Hamas had not fired rockets into Israeli territory for the past 14 months until the IDF shelled a Gaza beach and killed seven civilians. Prior to Operation Pillar of Defense, Israel took advantage of the ceasefire to lure out and kill Hamas official Ahmed al-Jabari. Their whole thing is that they will always try and provoke a response from militants in order to justify their own violence.


I never said Israel did or didn't uphold ceasefires, I said they have proven ineffective.

Wow, a terrorist who leads a terrorist group was killed? Can you find me unbaised news on the shelling of the Beach? Or do you mean the ones from several years ago which are irrelevant to the current ongoings?
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Postby Muzehnaya » Tue May 11, 2021 10:40 pm

Nerodanus wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Israel isn't that great at upholding ceasefires themselves. Prior to Operation Cast Lead, Hamas had not fired rockets into Israeli territory for the past 14 months until the IDF shelled a Gaza beach and killed seven civilians. Prior to Operation Pillar of Defense, Israel took advantage of the ceasefire to lure out and kill Hamas official Ahmed al-Jabari. Their whole thing is that they will always try and provoke a response from militants in order to justify their own violence.


I never said Israel did or didn't uphold ceasefires, I said they have proven ineffective.

Wow, a terrorist who leads a terrorist group was killed? Can you find me unbaised news on the shelling of the Beach? Or do you mean the ones from several years ago which are irrelevant to the current ongoings?

My point is not that he was killed, my point is that it was done in contradiction to a ceasefire. Also, I specified that that I was referring to the shelling that occurred prior to Operation Cast Lead, which occurred in 2008.
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Postby Nerodanus » Tue May 11, 2021 10:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nerodanus wrote: This whole thing started because of a TikTok trend to harass Jews which instigated both sides more extremist groups and it escalated from there.

the fuck are you talking about

You can do research yourself you know. Violence breeds violence. People are quick to point out attacks on Arabs but not the other way around.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Tue May 11, 2021 10:46 pm

Nakena wrote:I throughly enjoy how this stuff truly brings out the lowest and most basest instincts and antics in people in about every place i am in. Seems to be really a hot topic.


So hot
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