67 Palestinian and 7 Israeli Civilians Killed in Conflict

[Aspistan]

Yes.

"All people are equal; but some are more equal than others".

States are tools. People who need them should use them, people who don't should leave them for those that do.

[Jarvikan]

Israel strikes again. Just at the beginning of the holy month. I've read BBC reports of Masjid Al-Aqsa in almost every ramadan in these last recent years. Same old thing all the time. Shutting down the gates and limiting the number of people and setting up an age limit. Why do Israel care who does and who doesn't pray in Masjid Al-Aqsa. Its not theirs. And its certainly not up to them who prays and who doesn't.

As always. My prayers go to Palestine. May Allah save them.

Never trust the BBC articles on Israel or basically anything

[Saiwania]

Never trust the BBC articles on Israel or basically anything

I certainly wouldn't trust the BBC if I were British. The Daily Mail would be my paper instead.

[-Astoria-]

Never trust the BBC articles on Israel or basically anything

Why not?

[Jarvikan]

Never trust the BBC articles on Israel or basically anything

I certainly wouldn't trust the BBC if I were British. The Daily Mail would be my paper instead.

Not even that.The Times is the best.For online,likely the Telegraph.The Daily Mail if you don’t have the subscription and the BBC in the worst of cases

[Jutlop]

And who decides about that? And what makes them entitled or not?

Who decides? Well, practically, the people with the guns do. In a perfect world? Me, because I agree with all of my own opinions and thus trust myself not to betray my own goals

What makes them entitled or not? Generally, people of an oppressed or exploited nationality, who want a state, should get one. That includes not just the Jews but also the Kurds, Amerindians, and the Black nation.

exactly, so palestinians should be entitled to a state. Also all the conflicts between palestine and israel was fairly recent so no land grab should be normalized

[Jarvikan]

Who decides? Well, practically, the people with the guns do. In a perfect world? Me, because I agree with all of my own opinions and thus trust myself not to betray my own goals

What makes them entitled or not? Generally, people of an oppressed or exploited nationality, who want a state, should get one. That includes not just the Jews but also the Kurds, Amerindians, and the Black nation.

exactly, so palestinians should be entitled to a state. Also all the conflicts between palestine and israel was fairly recent so no land grab should be normalized

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

[Aspistan]

Who decides? Well, practically, the people with the guns do. In a perfect world? Me, because I agree with all of my own opinions and thus trust myself not to betray my own goals

What makes them entitled or not? Generally, people of an oppressed or exploited nationality, who want a state, should get one. That includes not just the Jews but also the Kurds, Amerindians, and the Black nation.

exactly, so palestinians should be entitled to a state. Also all the conflicts between palestine and israel was fairly recent so no land grab should be normalized

Yeah. Im largely on the palestinian side. I think the best option (as in most practical) is the 1947 partition plan, just because theres no way the Jews will pack up and leave.

[Aspistan]

exactly, so palestinians should be entitled to a state. Also all the conflicts between palestine and israel was fairly recent so no land grab should be normalized

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

I dont blame them.

[Nakena]

Who decides? Well, practically, the people with the guns do. In a perfect world? Me, because I agree with all of my own opinions and thus trust myself not to betray my own goals

Hahaha yes you learned well from Chairman Mao in this regard!

The Israeli's have the bigger guns and know to use them better. Hence they managed to defeat the palestinians and a number of arab invasion attempts and have earned their place in the world through the sword. Like most other contemporary nations btw whose borders and being were forged with blood and even the current world order who deep down represents the outcome of World War II.

[Christian Confederation]

As much as I love Israel is the Jewish State in Madagascar Solution still on the Table?

[Jutlop]

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

I dont blame them.

yeah because the 1947 partition plan at the time was bad but i do think we should revert to it or at the very least pre 1967 borders

[Jarvikan]

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

I dont blame them.

Why?Israel offered a great deal,yet they refused it after coming up with some of the best lies ever made.2000.

[Dowaesk]

exactly, so palestinians should be entitled to a state. Also all the conflicts between palestine and israel was fairly recent so no land grab should be normalized

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

Lets imagine this scenario. Muslims lead an uprising in London. Saying that London was promised to them by God. So, would you allow a Muslim state to take up 50% of England although they are the obvious minority. And set London as its capital and its sovereignity over it in the name of Englandistan?

[Jutlop]

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

I dont blame them.

yeah because the 1947 partition plan at the time was bad but i do think we should revert to it or at the very least pre 1967 borders

[Saiwania]

What makes them entitled or not? Generally, people of an oppressed or exploited nationality, who want a state, should get one. That includes not just the Jews but also the Kurds, Amerindians, and the Black nation.

For me, that is more and not less reason to not give some group a state. I'm not going to reward weakness more often than not. I'm far more impressed by dominant groups or empires. Why would the stronger faction give any concessions to the weaker or defeated faction where that isn't necessary? What is in it for them?

Only those peoples who've won successful wars of secession or independence should be given a state.

[-Astoria-]

I dont blame them.

Why?Israel offered a great deal,yet they refused it after coming up with some of the best lies ever made.2000.

[citation needed]

[Dowaesk]

What makes them entitled or not? Generally, people of an oppressed or exploited nationality, who want a state, should get one. That includes not just the Jews but also the Kurds, Amerindians, and the Black nation.

For me, that is more and not less reason to not give someone a state. I'm not going to reward weakness more often than not. I'm far more impressed by dominant groups or empires. Why would the stronger faction give any concessions to the weaker or defeated faction where that isn't necessary? What is in it for them?

Only those peoples who've won successful wars of secession or independence should be given a state.

So if Hitler won. All his crimes would be justified?

[Aspistan]

I dont blame them.

Why?Israel offered a great deal,yet they refused it after coming up with some of the best lies ever made.2000.

"We take half your land including the vast majority of the coast" isn't a great deal.

[Dowaesk]

Why?Israel offered a great deal,yet they refused it after coming up with some of the best lies ever made.2000.

"We take half your land including the vast majority of the coast" isn't a great deal.

Also add: "Even though, we are still of the minority"

[Nakena]

They were offered it,yet they have rejected it many times

Lets imagine this scenario. Muslims lead an uprising in London. Saying that London was promised to them by God. So, would you allow a Muslim state to take up 50% of England although they are the obvious minority. And set London as its capital and its sovereignity over it in the name of Englandistan?

That is AWD's and every neo-nazi's wet dream of a race war.

[Ayytaly]

For me, that is more and not less reason to not give someone a state. I'm not going to reward weakness more often than not. I'm far more impressed by dominant groups or empires. Why would the stronger faction give any concessions to the weaker or defeated faction where that isn't necessary? What is in it for them?

Only those peoples who've won successful wars of secession or independence should be given a state.

So if Hitler won. All his crimes would be justified?

Sai doesn't consider them crimes. He considers then "acts of patriotism."

[Saiwania]

So if Hitler won. All his crimes would be justified?

That may've been an outcome. I mean, if Nazi Germany won against any and all belligerents it was at war with, who exactly is going to hold his regime to account? Short of being outright defeated, Nazi Germany probably would've been contained by the rest of the world's major powers until it collapsed from internal strife if the regime wasn't stable.

[Nakena]

For me, that is more and not less reason to not give someone a state. I'm not going to reward weakness more often than not. I'm far more impressed by dominant groups or empires. Why would the stronger faction give any concessions to the weaker or defeated faction where that isn't necessary? What is in it for them?

Only those peoples who've won successful wars of secession or independence should be given a state.

So if Hitler won. All his crimes would be justified?

It depends. History is written by the victor. If we go by Robert Harris Fatherland alt history, maybe we would have now a lot of memorials about the Holodemor and various stalinist atrocities instead of those of the Holocaust etc. Who knows.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

For me, that is more and not less reason to not give someone a state. I'm not going to reward weakness more often than not. I'm far more impressed by dominant groups or empires. Why would the stronger faction give any concessions to the weaker or defeated faction where that isn't necessary? What is in it for them?

Only those peoples who've won successful wars of secession or independence should be given a state.

So if Hitler won. All his crimes would be justified?

Don't ask him that. Please do not ask Sai if hitler's crimes were justified cause you won't like the answer you get.