Treatment of Uyghurs in China

[North Washington Republic]

I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)

Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.

It’s getting to the point where that may have to take place. Xi is megalomaniac and is the main perpetrator of the genocide we are seeing against the Uighurs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)

Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.

There hasn't been even a vague threat of a successful coup in China since the Lin Biao incident 50 years ago. The CIA couldn't topple Xi even if it was their only goal.

[Luziyca]

I do feel that it is not at all justified: I do feel that the treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese government is most comparable with the cultural genocide that Canada has done to indigenous peoples, which is something that is completely reprehensible.

Will anything be done about it? I doubt it, barring World War Three.

[Mercatus]

This shit is how world wars start.

That and Russia invading former Soviet territories, just as the Nazis did when annexing ethnically German lands.

All I see is history repeating itself. As usual, the Allies (NATO in this case) ignore the problematic nations and at most give severe finger-wagging to their actions via sanctions or other non-military actions. If we want to avoid another Holocaust, then both China and Russia need to be stopped dead in their tracks. Of course, nuclear proliferation since the start of the Cold War has completely changed the rules of the game and may make intervention impossible without the threat of annihilation.

[Dowaesk]

Uyghur populations have declined by 60% in the last few years. Some the methods used by China to decrease the birth rates are Forced abortion, forced sterilization, forced birth control

[Dowaesk]

Can their barbaric treatment at the hands of communist fascists be justified? Fuck no 100x over. Note that Uighurs are being singled out for being Uighurs, not for being Muslims. The ethnic Hui Muslims haven't been subjected to nearly the same kind of degrading treatment. It's about race, language and culture to these racist, fascist communists, not religion per se.

The Chinese should be expelled from East Turkestan by force in an Israeli-style war of independence. Non-indigenous Han Chinese settlers who now outnumber the indigenous Uighurs and are directly complicit in the erosion of traditional Uighur language, culture, and identity should be treated as persona non grata and asked to leave. At the very least, they should be denied full citizenship in this new ethnostate. Muslim Uighurs will be able to regain and maintain their demographic majority in their own homeland and citizens of China proper won't have to worry about Islamist extremism. If East Turkestan ends up being a failed Islamist state, then that's the Uighurs' problem and not anyone else's.

The same goes for Hong Kong, Tibet, and Inner Mongolia.

From wikipedia
"In Xinjiang, the Chinese government has expanded police surveillance to watch for signs of "religious extremism" that include owning books about Uyghurs, growing a beard, having a prayer rug, or quitting smoking or drinking. The government had also installed cameras in the homes of private citizens."

"Uyghurs are detained in mass detention camps,[209] termed "re-education camps", aimed at changing the political thinking of detainees, their identities, and their religious beliefs."

"Satellite evidence suggests China destroyed more than two dozen Uyghur Muslim religious sites between 2016 and 2018."

"It was also reported in 2019 that "hundreds" of writers, artists, and academics had been imprisoned, in what the magazine qualified as an attempt to "punish any form of religious or cultural expression" among Uyghurs."

Religion plays a major part in the conflict and China's genocide on Uyghurs. They see Islam as a threat, as they should (dont take it the wrong way. Im saying Uyghurs must fight back).
And as for Hui Muslims
"Tensions with Uyghurs arose because Qing and Republican Chinese authorities used Hui troops and officials to dominate the Uyghurs and crush Uyghur revolts."
From this we can learn why they are favored by the Chinese. But dont get me wrong. They are also victims of prosecution sometimes. Although no where near as much as Uyghurs.

[Dowaesk]

"According to a 2020 report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), several Chinese firms were benefitting from the forced labor of Uyghurs, where more than 80 companies across the world were "directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labor transfer programs"

Shall we call for an absolute boycott of Chinese cotton?

[Genivaria]

"According to a 2020 report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), several Chinese firms were benefitting from the forced labor of Uyghurs, where more than 80 companies across the world were "directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labor transfer programs"

Shall we call for an absolute boycott of Chinese cotton?

I'm down with that.

[Nakena]

I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)

Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.

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An entire population has been imprisoned in concentration camps, there are absolutely no circumstances in which that can be justified. If you compare it to something like the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2, which was a crime against humanity to be sure, what China is doing now is so much worse. They are not merely keeping the Uyghurs in one place against their will, they are physically and psychologically torturing them to destroy their identities.

Tankies should be ashamed of themselves for the mental gymnastics they do to make excuses for the """"""People's""""""" State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

[Orostan]

An entire population has been imprisoned in concentration camps, there are absolutely no circumstances in which that can be justified. If you compare it to something like the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2, which was a crime against humanity to be sure, what China is doing now is so much worse. They are not merely keeping the Uyghurs in one place against their will, they are physically and psychologically torturing them to destroy their identities.

Tankies should be ashamed of themselves for the mental gymnastics they do to make excuses for the """"""People's""""""" State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

[Nakena]

Tankies should be ashamed of themselves for the mental gymnastics they do to make excuses for the """"""People's""""""" State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

Oh come on. Tankies have for example good reason to agree that at least some of Stalins actionst against the trotzkyist conspiracy were justified or else they would have thrown the USSR into a devastating civil war.

I know cuz this is what happens in HOI4 :^)

[Mannixa Prime]

An entire population has been imprisoned in concentration camps, there are absolutely no circumstances in which that can be justified. If you compare it to something like the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2, which was a crime against humanity to be sure, what China is doing now is so much worse. They are not merely keeping the Uyghurs in one place against their will, they are physically and psychologically torturing them to destroy their identities.

Tankies should be ashamed of themselves for the mental gymnastics they do to make excuses for the """"""People's""""""" State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

Ahahah yeah that’s bullshit

[Orostan]

No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

Ahahah yeah that’s bullshit

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/chin ... esearcher/

read this and see if you can say that again.

[Barlyy]

It absolutely is not, and it will never be. The imprisonment of Uighurs is a horrific event that most of the world is silent about.

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An entire population has been imprisoned in concentration camps, there are absolutely no circumstances in which that can be justified. If you compare it to something like the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2, which was a crime against humanity to be sure, what China is doing now is so much worse. They are not merely keeping the Uyghurs in one place against their will, they are physically and psychologically torturing them to destroy their identities.

Tankies should be ashamed of themselves for the mental gymnastics they do to make excuses for the """"""People's""""""" State Capitalist Oligarchy of China.

No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

So those photographs of hundreds of people in prison uniforms behind barbed wire fences are CGI deep fakes?

[Barlyy]

Ahahah yeah that’s bullshit

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/chin ... esearcher/

read this and see if you can say that again.

The Chinese government has rejected US allegations, and claims that it has in fact established “vocational education and training centers […] to prevent the breeding and spread of terrorism and religious extremism.” The Chinese Foreign Ministry has stated that “there [are] no so-called ‘re-education camps’ in Xinjiang at all. The vocational education and training centers legally operated in Xinjiang aim to help a small number of people affected by terrorist and extremist ideologies and equip them with skills, so that they can be self-reliant and re-integrate into society.”

Ah, the good ol' "re-integration" argument. A classic.

[Mannixa Prime]

Ahahah yeah that’s bullshit

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/chin ... esearcher/

read this and see if you can say that again.

Yeah that’s fucking bullshit

“Re education” lmfao

[Orostan]

No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

So those photographs of hundreds of people in prison uniforms behind barbed wire fences are CGI deep fakes?

yes prisons existing is evidence of a conspiracy to wipe out an ethnic group.

[The Free Joy State]

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/chin ... esearcher/

read this and see if you can say that again.

The Chinese government has rejected US allegations, and claims that it has in fact established “vocational education and training centers […] to prevent the breeding and spread of terrorism and religious extremism.” The Chinese Foreign Ministry has stated that “there [are] no so-called ‘re-education camps’ in Xinjiang at all. The vocational education and training centers legally operated in Xinjiang aim to help a small number of people affected by terrorist and extremist ideologies and equip them with skills, so that they can be self-reliant and re-integrate into society.”

Ah, the good ol' "re-integration" argument. A classic.

That, and China's claim is total bullshit. The Uyghurs are being interred and suffering cultural genocide. Taking children away from their parents to remove them from their heritage (itself a form of genocide). Forced sterilisation of Uyghur Muslim women to prevent them reproducing is considered a form of genocide. Xi comparing the Uyghurs to a "virus" (similar to how Hitler spoke of Jewish people). The rape, forced medical experimentation and torture of prisoners in the detention camps... it is a crime against humanity.

Frankly, the world is not doing nearly enough. The harshest sanctions possible should be put on China.

[National Capitalist United States]

So those photographs of hundreds of people in prison uniforms behind barbed wire fences are CGI deep fakes?

yes prisons existing is evidence of a conspiracy to wipe out an ethnic group.

Do yourself a favor and stop simping for China.

[Orostan]

Ah, the good ol' "re-integration" argument. A classic.

That, and China's claim is total bullshit. The Uyghurs are being interred and suffering cultural genocide. Taking children away from their parents to remove them from their heritage (itself a form of genocide). Forced sterilisation of Uyghur Muslim women to prevent them reproducing is considered a form of genocide. Comparing the Uyghurs to a "virus" (similar to how Hitler spoke of Jewish people). The rape, forced medical experimentation and torture of prisoners in the detention camps... it is a crime against humanity.

Frankly, the world is not doing nearly enough. The harshest sanctions possible should be put on China.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-m ... esearcher/

Here is evidence that most of these claims are lies or are simply incorrect. There is no evidence for forced sterilization or ‘cultural genocide’, and the allegations of mass rape or experimentation are not very credible.

yes prisons existing is evidence of a conspiracy to wipe out an ethnic group.

Do yourself a favor and stop simping for China.

no

[The Free Joy State]

That, and China's claim is total bullshit. The Uyghurs are being interred and suffering cultural genocide. Taking children away from their parents to remove them from their heritage (itself a form of genocide). Forced sterilisation of Uyghur Muslim women to prevent them reproducing is considered a form of genocide. Comparing the Uyghurs to a "virus" (similar to how Hitler spoke of Jewish people). The rape, forced medical experimentation and torture of prisoners in the detention camps... it is a crime against humanity.

Frankly, the world is not doing nearly enough. The harshest sanctions possible should be put on China.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-m ... esearcher/

Here is evidence that most of these claims are lies or are simply incorrect. There is no evidence for forced sterilization or ‘cultural genocide’, and the allegations of mass rape or experimentation are not very credible.

China says they're not doing it? You know, it doesn't get more credible with repetition.

All the evidence, including from first-hand eyewitnesses, says they are. Yeah... I'm gonna go with all the evidence. Especially since they are actually doing multiple things that counts as genocide: taking children from their own culture to hand over to another culture, mass sterilisation, mass rape.

[Orostan]

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-m ... esearcher/

Here is evidence that most of these claims are lies or are simply incorrect. There is no evidence for forced sterilization or ‘cultural genocide’, and the allegations of mass rape or experimentation are not very credible.

China says they're not doing it?

All the evidence, including from first-hand eyewitnesses, says they are. Yeah... I'm gonna go with all the evidence. Especially since they are actually doing multiple things that counts as genocide: taking children from their culture to hand over to another culture, mass sterilisation, mass rape.

No, you haven’t even taken a look at the article! How can you pretend to be interested in the truth when you won’t even look into this?

Those “first hand witnesses” are incredibly unreliable, and you are just repeating claims you made before again after that. There is no evidence of cultural genocide or anything like that and claims of mass sterilization or rape are completely unfounded. They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part. Please actually read the article.

[The Free Joy State]

China says they're not doing it?

All the evidence, including from first-hand eyewitnesses, says they are. Yeah... I'm gonna go with all the evidence. Especially since they are actually doing multiple things that counts as genocide: taking children from their culture to hand over to another culture, mass sterilisation, mass rape.

No, you haven’t even taken a look at the article! How can you pretend to be interested in the truth when you won’t even look into this?

Those “first hand witnesses” are incredibly unreliable, and you are just repeating claims you made before again after that. There is no evidence of cultural genocide or anything like that and claims of mass sterilization or rape are completely unfounded. They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part.

I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.