Treatment of Uyghurs in China

[National Capitalist United States]

They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part. Please actually read the article.

That's pretty funny considering you simp for China

[Mannixa Prime]

Ah yes the gray zone seems legit

We’ve read the article and have been seeing the same bullshit since 2014

[Orostan]

No, you haven’t even taken a look at the article! How can you pretend to be interested in the truth when you won’t even look into this?

Those “first hand witnesses” are incredibly unreliable, and you are just repeating claims you made before again after that. There is no evidence of cultural genocide or anything like that and claims of mass sterilization or rape are completely unfounded. They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part.

I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

[Ifreann]

I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)

Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.

Like how they assassinated Castro and the world didn't find out for decades.

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No, they haven’t. There is absolutely no credible evidence that China has “concentration camps”. China is not torturing an entire population.

So those photographs of hundreds of people in prison uniforms behind barbed wire fences are CGI deep fakes?

That's a film set and those are all extras for the next Marvel movie. Ant-Man and the Uyghur Genocide.

[Ifreann]

I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".

[Orostan]

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".

Yes actually.

“ In his paper, Zenz cited a September 2019 article in the US government-run outlet Radio Free Asia, containing testimony by a US-based exile, Tursunay Ziyawudun, who claimed she was forcibly sterilized and physically tortured in a Chinese internment center.

However, in February 2020, Ziyawudun changed her story entirely, telling Buzzfeed: “I wasn’t beaten or abused. The hardest part was mental. It’s something I can’t explain — you suffer mentally. Being kept someplace and forced to stay there for no reason.”

Ziyawudun changed her story again after being relocated to the US and cultivated by the US government-funded Uyghur Human Rights Project. This February, she told the BBC and CNN that she was gang raped by guards in an internment camp. The BBC report relied on none other than Zenz as its expert voice on China’s supposed policy of “systematic rape.””

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)

Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.

Tankies gonna be tankies I guess.

[Orostan]

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”

I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

For tankies it’s simply only a matter of aesthetics.

[Orostan]

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

>no how dare you oppose a propaganda war by the US government

I guess world war three is progressive when it’s against China now.

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

For tankies it’s simply only a matter of aesthetics.

For liberals it’s simply only a matter of what they are programmed to believe.

[The Free Joy State]

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".

My goodness, he must have an excellent costumier. I must find out who does all his different stage make-ups. /s

And, more seriously, the amount of twisting that it must take to believe every single photographed witness is one man is... I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

Now I will never read that pseudo-site.

[National Capitalist United States]

bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.

P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”

I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!”

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

>no how dare you oppose a propaganda war by the US government

I guess world war three is progressive when it’s against China now.

For tankies it’s simply only a matter of aesthetics.

For liberals it’s simply only a matter of what they are programmed to believe.

"Everyone has been brainwashed by CIA propaganda except for me! I am the sole voice of logic and reason! Only I know the truth and the entire world is being deceived!"

Bro please listen to yourself. You're shilling for Nazi Germany 2.0 for ideological reasons when they don't even practice your ideology in the first place. You can't fake a genocide, and genocide denial isn't cool.

[National Capitalist United States]

I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!”

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[Orostan]

"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".

My goodness, he must have an excellent costumier. I must find out who does all his different stage make-ups. /s

And, more seriously, the amount of twisting that it must take to believe every single photographed witness is one man is... I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

Now I will never read that pseudo-site. Not even for giggles.

dude are you an actual bot or something?

bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.

P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you

Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?

I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!”

Yes, or a Trotskyist. But Trotskyists are basically liberals.

[Ifreann]

>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized

Ok, I will go over this for you!

The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.

In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.

I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.

“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”

The thing is, Adrian Zenz really is Christian fanatic propagandist. Tankies are basically right to dismiss everything he says. But Zenz lying about China doesn't mean that China is actually a good place. They are committing genocide and there are plenty of first hand accounts that have nothing to do with Zenz.

[National Capitalist United States]

Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.

P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you

Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?

Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.

[Orostan]

>no how dare you oppose a propaganda war by the US government

I guess world war three is progressive when it’s against China now.


For liberals it’s simply only a matter of what they are programmed to believe.

"Everyone has been brainwashed by CIA propaganda except for me! I am the sole voice of logic and reason! Only I know the truth and the entire world is being deceived!"

Bro please listen to yourself. You're shilling for Nazi Germany 2.0 for ideological reasons when they don't even practice your ideology in the first place. You can't fake a genocide, and genocide denial isn't cool.

Actually most of the world doesn’t support the mostly western propaganda about Xinjiang and no I am not shilling for nazi Germany. Assuming you are an American, you support a government that daily helps Saudi Arabia starve Yemen, helps Israel destroy Palestine, bombs mostly innocents all over the world, and has massacred millions in the last fifty years. The PRC meanwhile hasn’t done anything like that and even if they wanted to they wouldn’t have the capability.

Who is the nazi again?

[Orostan]

Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?

Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.

>SIMP SIMP SIMP SIMP

why do you respond with infant like insults and not actual arguments? Are you 13 or something?

[Mercatus]

I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.

In economics, no they aren’t communist. In government, they retain near-communist control of the media and everyday life. Hell, even North Korea is turning to consumerism, but only for a select few of the general population that are displayed to make them not look like evil fucks. China is more or less the same way but they’re actually a credible security threat, unlike the DPRK, who’s entire military is a time capsule from 70 years ago.

I think that modern communists just simp for statists in general because they view the state as some sort of magic that we all need in our lives. In other words, a cult.

[National Capitalist United States]

Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.

>SIMP SIMP SIMP SIMP

why do you respond with infant like insults and not actual arguments? Are you 13 or something?

Because making actual arguments against tankies is a complete waste of time. You guys just label everything you don't like as fake news CIA propaganda

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"Everyone has been brainwashed by CIA propaganda except for me! I am the sole voice of logic and reason! Only I know the truth and the entire world is being deceived!"

Bro please listen to yourself. You're shilling for Nazi Germany 2.0 for ideological reasons when they don't even practice your ideology in the first place. You can't fake a genocide, and genocide denial isn't cool.

Actually most of the world doesn’t support the mostly western propaganda about Xinjiang and no I am not shilling for nazi Germany. Assuming you are an American, you support a government that daily helps Saudi Arabia starve Yemen, helps Israel destroy Palestine, bombs mostly innocents all over the world, and has massacred millions in the last fifty years. The PRC meanwhile hasn’t done anything like that and even if they wanted to they wouldn’t have the capability.

Who is the nazi again?