Orostan wrote:They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part. Please actually read the article.
That's pretty funny considering you simp for China
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by National Capitalist United States » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:05 am
Orostan wrote:They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part. Please actually read the article.
by Mannixa Prime » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:16 am
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:17 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Orostan wrote:No, you haven’t even taken a look at the article! How can you pretend to be interested in the truth when you won’t even look into this?
Those “first hand witnesses” are incredibly unreliable, and you are just repeating claims you made before again after that. There is no evidence of cultural genocide or anything like that and claims of mass sterilization or rape are completely unfounded. They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part.
I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.
And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Ifreann » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:17 am
New haven america wrote:I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)
Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.
by Ifreann » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:18 am
Orostan wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.
And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.
>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:22 am
Ifreann wrote:Orostan wrote:>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:23 am
Orostan wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.
And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims.
>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:24 am
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:24 am
New haven america wrote:I do wonder why a lot of Chinese nationalists use the excuse "If you're against the CCP/PRC" then you're just buying into CIA propaganda. (This is a common argument used when talking about the Uyghur Genocide)
Like, ok, dearies. If the CIA wanted to deal with China, they wouldn't use homegrown propaganda. They'd go into China and depose your current dictator and you'd be none the wiser until like, 10-20 years down the line.
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:25 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Orostan wrote:>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:26 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:27 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:27 am
Ifreann wrote:Orostan wrote:>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".
by National Capitalist United States » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 am
Orostan wrote: bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:29 am
Orostan wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”
I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:30 am
Orostan wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.
>no how dare you oppose a propaganda war by the US government
I guess world war three is progressive when it’s against China now.The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:For tankies it’s simply only a matter of aesthetics.
For liberals it’s simply only a matter of what they are programmed to believe.
by National Capitalist United States » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:30 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Orostan wrote:I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.
“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!”
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:32 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Ifreann wrote:"The witnesses are all secretly Adrian Zenz".
My goodness, he must have an excellent costumier. I must find out who does all his different stage make-ups. /s
And, more seriously, the amount of twisting that it must take to believe every single photographed witness is one man is... I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
Now I will never read that pseudo-site. Not even for giggles.
National Capitalist United States wrote:Orostan wrote: bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.
Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.
P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Orostan wrote:I love how I can post about actual propaganda and then prove beyond any doubt that it’s propaganda and a bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.
“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!”
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Ifreann » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:33 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Orostan wrote:>I’m very interested in the truth that’s why I won’t read people who refute the CIA propaganda I have internalized
Ok, I will go over this for you!
The claims China is trying to decrease the Uyghur birth rate come from a “researcher” named Adrian Zenz, who is a fanatical Christian that believes god sent him to destroy the CPC. Zenz is only able to claim that China is trying to stop the Uyghur population from reproducing by omitting data that shows Han Chinese people actually have a lower birth rate than Uyghur people. In addition, the Chinese government recently began enforcing its one child policy on Uyghurs when previously the policy only applied to Han people. The Chinese government itself has stated that the decrease in the growth rate of the Uyghur population after 2017 was due to the application of this policy and I see no reason to doubt them on this considering that every source of data available proves this.
In Chinese documents Zenz cites he fails to prove that birth control provided by the government was 1) coercive and 2) omits information implying that the Chinese government is actually satisfied with how things are currently and has no particular desire to reduce birth rates further. He also omits information about health and poverty reduction programs from those documents that would have the effect of reducing birth rates over time. Zenz then takes data out of context to claim that China is putting 80% of new IUDS in people from Xinjiang among other things.
I can move on to those “witnesses” now too if you like.
“Everything I don’t agree with and doesn’t fall in line with what CCP state media says is CIA propaganda!”
by National Capitalist United States » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:34 am
Orostan wrote:National Capitalist United States wrote:Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.
P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you
Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:35 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Orostan wrote:>no how dare you oppose a propaganda war by the US government
I guess world war three is progressive when it’s against China now.
For liberals it’s simply only a matter of what they are programmed to believe.
"Everyone has been brainwashed by CIA propaganda except for me! I am the sole voice of logic and reason! Only I know the truth and the entire world is being deceived!"
Bro please listen to yourself. You're shilling for Nazi Germany 2.0 for ideological reasons when they don't even practice your ideology in the first place. You can't fake a genocide, and genocide denial isn't cool.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:36 am
National Capitalist United States wrote:Orostan wrote:
Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?
Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Mercatus » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:38 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I always find it funny when Tankies simp for China when China isn't even Communist to begin with lmao.
by National Capitalist United States » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:38 am
Orostan wrote:National Capitalist United States wrote:Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.
>SIMP SIMP SIMP SIMP
why do you respond with infant like insults and not actual arguments? Are you 13 or something?
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:39 am
Orostan wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
"Everyone has been brainwashed by CIA propaganda except for me! I am the sole voice of logic and reason! Only I know the truth and the entire world is being deceived!"
Bro please listen to yourself. You're shilling for Nazi Germany 2.0 for ideological reasons when they don't even practice your ideology in the first place. You can't fake a genocide, and genocide denial isn't cool.
Actually most of the world doesn’t support the mostly western propaganda about Xinjiang and no I am not shilling for nazi Germany. Assuming you are an American, you support a government that daily helps Saudi Arabia starve Yemen, helps Israel destroy Palestine, bombs mostly innocents all over the world, and has massacred millions in the last fifty years. The PRC meanwhile hasn’t done anything like that and even if they wanted to they wouldn’t have the capability.
Who is the nazi again?
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