Rise of Domestic US terrorism fueled mostly by far right

[The Black Forrest]

Biden Harris are not radical at all.

Mental ineptitude was the last presidents deal not the current.

And no I do not want him removed from office.

I’ve barely heard Biden get through a sentence during a press conference. It’s actually painful.

Who would think not hearing low brow insults and baseless claims would be painful. The ex-president has been working on a new outlet; look into it as it appears you miss him.

Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

He is mentally inept. Did you inject your bleech? Use ultra violet? His only source of information is the TV. He doesn’t read much. Hell everybody here reads many many things. Clear concise speeches? Did he have any which didn’t have spewing bile as part of the message? Answer questions from reporters? When? Where?

Biden/Harris is the most radical administration we’ve had yet.

Boring! I have heard that claim for every democratic administration.

Biden’s blatant ignorance of the constitutional process for making laws exemplifies this.

Did the ex-president even read it? I doubt he understood much. Do have examples of this for Biden?

Harris is from California, probably one of the most leftist states in the US.

And? St. Reagan was from Calinfornia.

This administration has approved some of the highest government spending in the history of the country to fund one-sided efforts dealing with highly controversial issues.

Such as?

It does take money to clean up the ex-presidents blunders.

They have almost no bipartisan support.

The Repubs want to be bipartisan? Now that is hillarious.

How is this not radical? It is easy to understand why right wingers like myself are extremely pissed right now, because the current administration ignores democracy in favor of pushing an agenda.

So you were good with the ex-presidents 80+ frivolous lawsuits over the election? All the voter suppression laws going in? Sorry but it appears the right is against democracy.

[CoraSpia]

From his environmental policy to tax cuts, covid and international relations, Trumps first concern was the American economy. Keeping food on the table for his people is the job of a president. He was certainly better than the man who proceeded him and I am sure will be better than the one who followed him, and anyone who takes over should he die in office.

Bruh he failed at both environmental policy and economy.

His environmental policy was "gut the EPA to own the libs". The economy he failed to protect when COVID hit. He should have had stricter COVID safety policy when it first popped off. He didn't and now 500k Americans are dead. Jobless rates skyrocked. Hyperinflation was working overtime in 2020.

He was, absolutely a failure at the economy. Instead of going for a New Zealand Japan approach, he thought he knew better then the CDC (that he also gutted) and now half a million dead are here while local business are dead.

What also cannot be understated is the billions of damage done and the 20+ people killed by rioters.

While I'm on the topic of the obvious, the riots did less damage to people and business then Trump's shitty covid response did.

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Bruh he failed at both environmental policy and economy.

His environmental policy was "gut the EPA to own the libs". The economy he failed to protect when COVID hit. He should have had stricter COVID safety policy when it first popped off. He didn't and now 500k Americans are dead. Jobless rates skyrocked. Hyperinflation was working overtime in 2020.

He was, absolutely a failure at the economy. Instead of going for a New Zealand Japan approach, he thought he knew better then the CDC (that he also gutted) and now half a million dead are here while local business are dead.



While I'm on the topic of the obvious, the riots did less damage to people and business then Trump's shitty covid response did.

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Significant numbers of deaths and hospitalizations do a number on the economy, you know.

[Vassenor]

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Significant numbers of deaths and hospitalizations do a number on the economy, you know.

Yeah but personal liberty is more important than keeping people alive. Or something.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Bruh he failed at both environmental policy and economy.

His environmental policy was "gut the EPA to own the libs". The economy he failed to protect when COVID hit. He should have had stricter COVID safety policy when it first popped off. He didn't and now 500k Americans are dead. Jobless rates skyrocked. Hyperinflation was working overtime in 2020.

He was, absolutely a failure at the economy. Instead of going for a New Zealand Japan approach, he thought he knew better then the CDC (that he also gutted) and now half a million dead are here while local business are dead.



While I'm on the topic of the obvious, the riots did less damage to people and business then Trump's shitty covid response did.

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Why is the economy worth more than people’s lives?

Was humanity out on this earth just to make the arbitrary number go up?

[Vassenor]

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Why is the economy worth more than people’s lives?

Was humanity out on this earth just to make the arbitrary number go up?

Because some bullshit about personal liberty and how people shouldn't have to adapt their lives to help others.

And the fantasy that millions of deaths somehow wont harm the economy.

[Austreylia]

And the fantasy that millions of deaths somehow wont harm the economy.

Millions of deaths haven't happened in the U.S. though.

I think the body count for the virus is something like 500/550k. And I wouldn't be surprised if that included people who had not actually been killed by the virus.

[CoraSpia]

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Why is the economy worth more than people’s lives?

Was humanity out on this earth just to make the arbitrary number go up?

Were people put here in order to protect one another? Humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not.

The fact that there are some elements within society who want everyone's will to be subsumed to some sort of collective might be yet another reason why right-wing terrorism is on the rise, just to tie it back to the thread.

[Dakini]

I still don't understand why America has such a messed up voting system. In the UK we use this revolutionary new voting machine called box. You input your vote into box, using the slot-top method, and then it gets counted by a load of people and then read out. Parties can ask for recounts if it's close. No possibility for hacking, no votes getting lost in the mail, no stupid punchcards.

How many voters are there in the UK?
The US population is 327 million, versus the UK's population of 66 million.
239 million eligible voters as of the 2020 election (only 66% of whom actually did), versus 48 million in the UK as of March 2020.

The total area of the United States of America is estimated at total 3,718,710 square miles, which is equal to 9,631,420 square kilometers.

The total area of the United Kingdom according to the Office for National Statistics is 248,532 square kilometres (95,960 sq mi), comprising the island of Great Britain, the northeastern one-sixth of the island of Ireland (Northern Ireland) and many smaller islands. This makes it the 7th largest island country in the world.

Do the math on why old-school paper ballots would be incredibly unwieldy and even MORE subject to fraud (can we say ballot-stuffing?) in the US compared to the UK.

That's not to mention that trying to get a near-accurate projection on election night would be impossible.

UK ballots also have like one paper where voters select one option for a general election. For the USA, they are voting for everything from President to dog catcher.

[CoraSpia]

How many voters are there in the UK?
The US population is 327 million, versus the UK's population of 66 million.
239 million eligible voters as of the 2020 election (only 66% of whom actually did), versus 48 million in the UK as of March 2020.

The total area of the United States of America is estimated at total 3,718,710 square miles, which is equal to 9,631,420 square kilometers.

The total area of the United Kingdom according to the Office for National Statistics is 248,532 square kilometres (95,960 sq mi), comprising the island of Great Britain, the northeastern one-sixth of the island of Ireland (Northern Ireland) and many smaller islands. This makes it the 7th largest island country in the world.

Do the math on why old-school paper ballots would be incredibly unwieldy and even MORE subject to fraud (can we say ballot-stuffing?) in the US compared to the UK.

That's not to mention that trying to get a near-accurate projection on election night would be impossible.

UK ballots also have like one paper where voters select one option for a general election. For the USA, they are voting for everything from President to dog catcher.

That sounds like a problem for America to fix for more than just that one reason. Having so many elections on one day makes a personal campaign almost impossible, everything just gets lost as people focus on the top of the ticket.

[Dakini]

UK ballots also have like one paper where voters select one option for a general election. For the USA, they are voting for everything from President to dog catcher.

That sounds like a problem for America to fix for more than just that one reason. Having so many elections on one day makes a personal campaign almost impossible, everything just gets lost as people focus on the top of the ticket.

I don't disagree. There are definitely a lot of positions that are elected which probably should be the kind of thing where a person who is qualified for the job applies for it and is hired by a committee instead of being elected.

[Neu California]

Why is the economy worth more than people’s lives?

Was humanity out on this earth just to make the arbitrary number go up?

Were people put here in order to protect one another? Humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not.

The fact that there are some elements within society who want everyone's will to be subsumed to some sort of collective might be yet another reason why right-wing terrorism is on the rise, just to tie it back to the thread.

Considering most legal forms of employment (and some illegal forms, eg prostitution) exist to benefit people other than the one doing them, whether it be through providing information, entertainment, protection, improvement or restoration of physical and/or mental condition, ensuring things get to where they need to go, etc. I don't buy that hypothesis in the least.

If humanity were all about self-improvement to the exception of helping or protecting one another, I honestly don't see how we could have a society. And where is it said that humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not?

[Jutlop]

this forum devolved from discussing right wing terrorism to waaah Biden is a commie

[CoraSpia]

Were people put here in order to protect one another? Humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not.

The fact that there are some elements within society who want everyone's will to be subsumed to some sort of collective might be yet another reason why right-wing terrorism is on the rise, just to tie it back to the thread.

Considering most legal forms of employment (and some illegal forms, eg prostitution) exist to benefit people other than the one doing them, whether it be through providing information, entertainment, protection, improvement or restoration of physical and/or mental condition, ensuring things get to where they need to go, etc. I don't buy that hypothesis in the least.

If humanity were all about self-improvement to the exception of helping or protecting one another, I honestly don't see how we could have a society. And where is it said that humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not?

Do you know one thing that all legal employment has in common?

It's voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to work against your will.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Considering most legal forms of employment (and some illegal forms, eg prostitution) exist to benefit people other than the one doing them, whether it be through providing information, entertainment, protection, improvement or restoration of physical and/or mental condition, ensuring things get to where they need to go, etc. I don't buy that hypothesis in the least.

If humanity were all about self-improvement to the exception of helping or protecting one another, I honestly don't see how we could have a society. And where is it said that humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not?

Do you know one thing that all legal employment has in common?

It's voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to work against your will.

Not at all in practice. Most people, if they don’t work, starve or perish to the elements, especially in countries vandalised by capitalism. So no, it’s not voluntary. You get to choose in what manner you are exploited, but not being exploited is not an option. Unless you were born rich, like yourself. I don’t expect much solidarity, therefore.

Why is the economy worth more than people’s lives?

Was humanity out on this earth just to make the arbitrary number go up?

Were people put here in order to protect one another? Humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not.

The fact that there are some elements within society who want everyone's will to be subsumed to some sort of collective might be yet another reason why right-wing terrorism is on the rise, just to tie it back to the thread.

Even if this egotistical philosophy were true, much more happiness is to be achieved collectively than individually. Unless you measure your success in the disfortune of others.

Even then, capitalism is a lousy way to measure success, even for the very wealthy. In capitalism, no-one is truly free. The poor slave away for meagre wages, the rich have to maintain their riches. It’s absurd.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Considering most legal forms of employment (and some illegal forms, eg prostitution) exist to benefit people other than the one doing them, whether it be through providing information, entertainment, protection, improvement or restoration of physical and/or mental condition, ensuring things get to where they need to go, etc. I don't buy that hypothesis in the least.

If humanity were all about self-improvement to the exception of helping or protecting one another, I honestly don't see how we could have a society. And where is it said that humans are supposed to better themselves as much as possible, whether that is to someone elses disadvantage or not?

Do you know one thing that all legal employment has in common?

It's voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to work against your will.

This is decidedly not true in the capitalist world though. Like, you will be functionally exiled and left to die by society if you don't contribute to the capitalist system. You'd have a point if rent was free, we had UBC and things like free healthcare, but until that happens your options are work or die.

[The Alma Mater]

Do you know one thing that all legal employment has in common?

It's voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to work against your will.

This is decidedly not true in the capitalist world though. Like, you will be functionally exiled and left to die by society if you don't contribute to the capitalist system. You'd have a point if rent was free, we had UBC and things like free healthcare, but until that happens your options are work or die.

To be fair, in a communist system one is also required to work "according to ones ability" - with harsh punishments if one does not.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I’ve barely heard Biden get through a sentence during a press conference. It’s actually painful.

Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

Biden/Harris is the most radical administration we’ve had yet. Biden’s blatant ignorance of the constitutional process for making laws exemplifies this. Harris is from California, probably one of the most leftist states in the US. This administration has approved some of the highest government spending in the history of the country to fund one-sided efforts dealing with highly controversial issues. They have almost no bipartisan support. How is this not radical? It is easy to understand why right wingers like myself are extremely pissed right now, because the current administration ignores democracy in favor of pushing an agenda.

You mean the guy who thinks that the election was stolen from him?

Your definition of “radical” is a tad to wide. Biden is a center-left President.

Biden isn't even center left he is center right by Canadian European standards.

Bruh he failed at both environmental policy and economy.

His environmental policy was "gut the EPA to own the libs". The economy he failed to protect when COVID hit. He should have had stricter COVID safety policy when it first popped off. He didn't and now 500k Americans are dead. Jobless rates skyrocked. Hyperinflation was working overtime in 2020.

He was, absolutely a failure at the economy. Instead of going for a New Zealand Japan approach, he thought he knew better then the CDC (that he also gutted) and now half a million dead are here while local business are dead.



While I'm on the topic of the obvious, the riots did less damage to people and business then Trump's shitty covid response did.

Were it not for state governments refusing to allow for the sort of national approach (keeping America open), there wouldn't have been this damage to the economy you are talking about. Places wouldn't have had to shut down, the air industry wouldn't all have been grounded etc. This terrible Covid policy isn't on Trump, it's on those who refused to listen to him.

Keeping Amereica open was how we got 500k dead and the eccomey fucked.

Would have been better to take a hit to the eccomey at the start with very strict regulations in place and then slowly reopen after around 6 months.

[Jutlop]

Why do republicans consider Biden radical when he isn't even considered a leftist by many?

[Senkaku]

Why do republicans consider Biden radical when he isn't even considered a leftist by many?

Depends on what Republicans you’re talking about. At an elite level, they don’t, they mostly just perform that belief because they feel it’s a vote winner (although there are more and more true believers who’ve dipped into their own supply a bit too much as the constant churn of increasing reaction goes through another replacement cycle). At a mass level, it’s because they’re told he is every second of every day by a massive propaganda operation that’s managed to totally divorce substance from symbolism and operates in this hypernormalized culture war environment where substantive ideology has been replaced with these almost Pavlovian responses to certain cues (phrases like “woke,” applause or boo lines in Trump speeches, etc.), so they barely even understand what’s actually being said but God are they angry about it.

[Austreylia]

Why do republicans consider Biden radical when he isn't even considered a leftist by many?

Same reason Democrats considered Trump radical; he upsets them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why do republicans consider Biden radical when he isn't even considered a leftist by many?

Because many of them are so far right that they say "the nazis were socialists." The GOP of today thinks you're a radical leftist if you break a sweat at the idea of installing rocket turrets at the border. They also consider you a mindless sheep for not putting yourself at risk of catching a disease. Frankly, I've really stopped taking the GOP seriously. They had a complete disgraceful clown running this country for four years, and in his wake came people like MTG or Paul Gosar. The GOP of 2011 wasn't great but they were still within the realm of some normalcy. This republican party is too much for me, so I would take anything they say will a grain of salt Lot's Wife.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why do republicans consider Biden radical when he isn't even considered a leftist by many?

Same reason Democrats considered Trump radical; he upsets them.

Trump in practice was just an embarrassment, but the things he talked about during his campaign bordered on the radical.

[Austreylia]

Trump in practice was just an embarrassment, but the things he talked about during his campaign bordered on the radical.

I like Trump, but mainly as a person. I think he's an incredibly funny guy.

A lot of his political decisions were completely beyond me.

[Jutlop]

Same reason Democrats considered Trump radical; he upsets them.

Trump in practice was just an embarrassment, but the things he talked about during his campaign bordered on the radical.

Yeah he transformed the GOP for the worse