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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:32 pm

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Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

LMFAO, you have got to be joking.
Biden/Harris is the most radical administration we’ve had yet.

god i wish
Biden’s blatant ignorance of the constitutional process for making laws exemplifies this.

Anything in particular you have to point out?
Harris is from California, probably one of the most leftist states in the US.

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This administration has approved some of the highest government spending in the history of the country to fund one-sided efforts dealing with highly controversial issues.

Like?
They have almost no bipartisan support.

I mean, when one party's become a reactionary cult of personality, fuckin duh.
How is this not radical? It is easy to understand why right wingers like myself are extremely pissed right now, because the current administration ignores democracy in favor of pushing an agenda.

the irony of this coming from a trump supporter lmao
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Postby Mercatus » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:33 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
:rofl:

One of the founding principles of libertarianism is the idea of taxation equating to theft, and those two fuckheads have spent the most government money of any administration. They are also major proponents of gun control, another thing libertarians are against. They are literally the antithesis of libertarianism.

I presume you are using "libertarian" in the narrowly defined American sense to mean so-called "right-libertarianism"?


As that’s the dominant form of libertarianism in the US, yes I am. Left “libertarianism” is riddled with contradictions. Libertarianism champions individual freedom and natural rights, which includes private property, something “libertarian” socialists are opposed to. The left is much more collectivist than the right, and collectivism is incompatible with liberty and limited government. So really, right-libertarianism is really the only form that can call itself libertarian.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:35 pm

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Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

LMFAO, you have got to be joking.

At this point we should just blast this myth with a full quote of Trump's uncle speech until Trump supporters finally get it.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:37 pm

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Remember when Biden tear gassed peaceful protesters? Oh wait that was Trump.


Yeah no, Biden Harris are easily more libertarian then Trump Pense.


:rofl:

One of the founding principles of libertarianism is the idea of taxation equating to theft, and those two fuckheads have spent the most government money of any administration. They are also major proponents of gun control, another thing libertarians are against. They are literally the antithesis of libertarianism.



Except no.

No because the president doesn't set the budget, congress does so blameing them for government spending makes no sense.

And even then, we know what low goverment spending does, remember Prohibition enforcement and hoe that failed?

Also libertarians are concerned about day to day life and liberty being trampled on.

Trump gassing protesters was a major blow to liberty.

More then any gun law passed this year.

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Postby Mercatus » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:37 pm

Picairn wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:LMFAO, you have got to be joking.

At this point we should just blast this myth with a full quote of Trump's uncle speech until Trump supporters finally get it.


I wouldn’t support Trump if 3rd parties were actually allowed on stage, but because his policies best represented my values, I’d take him over anyone on the left any day.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:38 pm

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Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I presume you are using "libertarian" in the narrowly defined American sense to mean so-called "right-libertarianism"?


As that’s the dominant form of libertarianism in the US, yes I am. Left “libertarianism” is riddled with contradictions. Libertarianism champions individual freedom and natural rights, which includes private property, something “libertarian” socialists are opposed to. The left is much more collectivist than the right, and collectivism is incompatible with liberty and limited government. So really, right-libertarianism is really the only form that can call itself libertarian.


So about that property rights thing...

Also lol no true scotsman fallicy.


But yeah lets get this re railed shall we?


I'd like to talk about American right wing terrorism that effected other nations, namely New Zealand and the Chirst Church shooter.

It was pol that got the shooter radicalised wasn't it?

Either 4chan or 8chan i think.
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Postby Thyrgga » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:46 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
As that’s the dominant form of libertarianism in the US, yes I am. Left “libertarianism” is riddled with contradictions. Libertarianism champions individual freedom and natural rights, which includes private property, something “libertarian” socialists are opposed to. The left is much more collectivist than the right, and collectivism is incompatible with liberty and limited government. So really, right-libertarianism is really the only form that can call itself libertarian.


So about that property rights thing...

Also lol no true scotsman fallicy.


Simply establishing a category is not no-true Scotsman.

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Lame attempt at deflecting my guy. My point is why don't you live in a dictatorship or an absolute monarchy to see how precious human rights are that you take for granted in the West.


There's nowhere in Europe that's still meaningfully a monarchy.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:47 pm

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Biden Harris are not radical at all.

Mental ineptitude was the last presidents deal not the current.

And no I do not want him removed from office.



Trump wasn’t mentally inept



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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:49 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Meaning peace, human rights, all men being equal, technology advancing? All that shit gone and bad because you watched an sjw geting owned compilation back in 2015?


We have relative peace because the world happens to be unipolar at this point in history.

“Human rights” is meaningless idealism.

“All men being equal” is blatantly untrue.

You confuse cause and effect. Technological advancement is a result of our more disciplined ancestors. Their success is the reason why we can afford to indulge in all the nonsense above.

I don’t know what an SJW compilation has to do with any of this.


Human rights is meaningless idealism till your town is being torched by an invading army. It's easy to thumb your nose at human rights when your rights are in theory guaranteed by a constitution and can't disappear all in one day.
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Postby Neu California » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:49 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
:rofl:

One of the founding principles of libertarianism is the idea of taxation equating to theft, and those two fuckheads have spent the most government money of any administration. They are also major proponents of gun control, another thing libertarians are against. They are literally the antithesis of libertarianism.



Except no.

No because the president doesn't set the budget, congress does so blameing them for government spending makes no sense.

And even then, we know what low goverment spending does, remember Prohibition enforcement and hoe that failed?

Also libertarians are concerned about day to day life and liberty being trampled on.

Trump gassing protesters was a major blow to liberty.

More then any gun law passed this year.


I think a better example (or at least more recent) for the effects of low government spending would be the Kansas experiment.

Let's just say it went badly
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Postby Mercatus » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:49 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
As that’s the dominant form of libertarianism in the US, yes I am. Left “libertarianism” is riddled with contradictions. Libertarianism champions individual freedom and natural rights, which includes private property, something “libertarian” socialists are opposed to. The left is much more collectivist than the right, and collectivism is incompatible with liberty and limited government. So really, right-libertarianism is really the only form that can call itself libertarian.


So about that property rights thing...

Also lol no true scotsman fallicy.


But yeah lets get this re railed shall we?


I'd like to talk about American right wing terrorism that effected other nations, namely New Zealand and the Chirst Church shooter.

It was pol that got the shooter radicalised wasn't it?

Either 4chan or 8chan i think.


It’s always 8chan, but I think it’s gone now.

Also, didn’t Christchurch happen before all this bullshit in the US?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:50 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So about that property rights thing...

Also lol no true scotsman fallicy.


Simply establishing a category is not no-true Scotsman.




Mercatus wrote:So really, right-libertarianism is really the only form that can call itself libertarian.


Yeah no this is a big old no True scotsman fallacy.

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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:51 pm

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OANN,


Pushes conspiracies and has a problem with fact check failure, poor sourcing.

Sorry the conspiracies alone makes it fail as a reliable source.

Breitbart,


You complain about leftist bias all the time and yet you are cool with Breitbart who is known for extreame bias.

Breitbart is not a valid source as they routinely promote propaganda and conspiracies. Terrible sourcing. They have a major lack of transparency. They are what the ex-president would call fake news.

Redstate


Fails fact checks and has at times used questionable or rather dubious sourcing. They have been accused to censoring news which makes the GOP/Conservatives look bad. A year or so ago they had a few people quit when stories which made the ex-president look bad were censored.

It’s a questionable source and should be verified as they seem to be heading into the conspiracy/propaganda areas.

One thing I noticed on their site? No “About Us” link or tab. Who is the current editor?

GOPUSA


Have to admit I didn’t know this existed. Checking a few review sites. They seem to censor news which makes the right look bad. They have failed a fact check. They favor the right obviously and like other media sources like to use emotion loaded wording.

As a source? Questionable and requires verification of their stories.

The Federalist


Not a valid source. They have a problem of routinely publishing propaganda and conspiracies. Sourcing is bad as in light or frequently not using credible information. They lack transparency. This is what the ex-president calls “Fake News”

Town Hall


Same as The Federalist

Newsmax


Same as The Federalist

Fox News


Eliminate the talking heads and it improves. Still has failed many fact checks; has published a few conspiracies; has a problems with sourcing and does omit details which makes the right look bad.

Usable however needs verification.

Are Acceptable and Reliable News Sources to Conservative Republicans, Proud Pro Trump Republicans, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA to me and us. That is what matters to us.


This is what is sad about the GOP. It’s been reduced to owning the libs. The truth doesn’t matter.

I am not going to post to you or any persons from any links they ask me too or suggest to me. No one on NS does so, they post to us from whatever news sources they wish just like you do, which happens to agree with their views not your views. Perhaps not with the views of the posters they are posting too, this is a Fact.


It is a fact you like to publish from conspiracy sites and “echo chambers”

Do You post to me from a news source I wish? Do you post to other persons from a news source they wish? ok, Please Post to me from OANN, Breitbart, Redstate.org, GOP USA, The Federalist, Town Hall, Newsmax, Fox News - which Are Acceptable and Reliable News Sources to Conservative Republicans, Proud Pro Trump Republicans, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA like me?

Wasted verbage as its a repeat of the opening paragraph.

Has any Persons ever asked you to post from a news source they wish? If they have I will never do so.


I have been asked for sources many times and there are arguments over the details of the story. I have even admitted when I was wrong or way off on something.

I see you crossed out again, all the relevant information to me, I wanted to you to read and understand, I don't expect you or any persons to agree with it. Do you expect me and other persons to agree with you on what you post to me and other persons?


If I didn’t want people to see it, I would have cut it out. Strikes tend to be when you repeat statements which are well established or simply a repeat of what you already wrote. Saying something many times does not make it true.

I told you before on a post, You have a right to cross out all the words in my posts, as you have done a few times in the past. I told you I think the moderators should not allow us to do so. If I can I am going to suggest it to the moderators one of these days at the right time for their consideration if they wish to consider it, if they say no, I say like Ana Mario Polo - He Dicho Caso Cerrado - I Said Case Closed and I will forget about it.


Nobody says you can’t ask a moderator for a ruling. Do it. Be patient as it can take time while that chat about it.

Am I supposed to post to you from a news source that perhaps agrees with your views, or agrees with your views?
Are we supposed to post to you from a news source that perhaps agrees with your views, or agrees with your views?


When have I ever given you only acceptable sources? Well; I did say Reuters and the AP due to lack of bias and bad sourcing.

Do you post to me and other persons from a news source that perhaps agrees with my views and those other persons views?


Sure. Even bad sites have a proper story from time to time. Usually it’s about “this is going on” or “this person said that”. Easily verifiable.

Please answer the questions, thank you?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:52 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Pushes conspiracies and has a problem with fact check failure, poor sourcing.

Sorry the conspiracies alone makes it fail as a reliable source.



You complain about leftist bias all the time and yet you are cool with Breitbart who is known for extreame bias.

Breitbart is not a valid source as they routinely promote propaganda and conspiracies. Terrible sourcing. They have a major lack of transparency. They are what the ex-president would call fake news.



Fails fact checks and has at times used questionable or rather dubious sourcing. They have been accused to censoring news which makes the GOP/Conservatives look bad. A year or so ago they had a few people quit when stories which made the ex-president look bad were censored.

It’s a questionable source and should be verified as they seem to be heading into the conspiracy/propaganda areas.

One thing I noticed on their site? No “About Us” link or tab. Who is the current editor?



Have to admit I didn’t know this existed. Checking a few review sites. They seem to censor news which makes the right look bad. They have failed a fact check. They favor the right obviously and like other media sources like to use emotion loaded wording.

As a source? Questionable and requires verification of their stories.



Not a valid source. They have a problem of routinely publishing propaganda and conspiracies. Sourcing is bad as in light or frequently not using credible information. They lack transparency. This is what the ex-president calls “Fake News”



Same as The Federalist



Same as The Federalist



Eliminate the talking heads and it improves. Still has failed many fact checks; has published a few conspiracies; has a problems with sourcing and does omit details which makes the right look bad.

Usable however needs verification.



This is what is sad about the GOP. It’s been reduced to owning the libs. The truth doesn’t matter.



It is a fact you like to publish from conspiracy sites and “echo chambers”

Do You post to me from a news source I wish? Do you post to other persons from a news source they wish? ok, Please Post to me from OANN, Breitbart, Redstate.org, GOP USA, The Federalist, Town Hall, Newsmax, Fox News - which Are Acceptable and Reliable News Sources to Conservative Republicans, Proud Pro Trump Republicans, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA like me?

Wasted verbage as its a repeat of the opening paragraph.



I have been asked for sources many times and there are arguments over the details of the story. I have even admitted when I was wrong or way off on something.



If I didn’t want people to see it, I would have cut it out. Strikes tend to be when you repeat statements which are well established or simply a repeat of what you already wrote. Saying something many times does not make it true.



Nobody says you can’t ask a moderator for a ruling. Do it. Be patient as it can take time while that chat about it.



When have I ever given you only acceptable sources? Well; I did say Reuters and the AP due to lack of bias and bad sourcing.



Sure. Even bad sites have a proper story from time to time. Usually it’s about “this is going on” or “this person said that”. Easily verifiable.



There is something about laughing for no reason; I am not qualified to make that call.

I'm surprised GMS did not mention National Review.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:05 pm

Mercatus wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So about that property rights thing...

Also lol no true scotsman fallicy.


But yeah lets get this re railed shall we?


I'd like to talk about American right wing terrorism that effected other nations, namely New Zealand and the Chirst Church shooter.

It was pol that got the shooter radicalised wasn't it?

Either 4chan or 8chan i think.


It’s always 8chan, but I think it’s gone now.

Also, didn’t Christchurch happen before all this bullshit in the US?


The shooting was in 2019 so, yes it was before Jan 6th. But it was after that protester got ran over with a car during the unite the right thing.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:08 pm

Mercatus wrote:It’s always 8chan, but I think it’s gone now.

8chan exists as 8kun now. Basically same site, just different name.
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:10 pm

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Mercatus wrote:It’s always 8chan, but I think it’s gone now.

8chan exists as 8kun now. Basically same site, just different name.

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Meaning peace, human rights, all men being equal, technology advancing? All that shit gone and bad because you watched an sjw geting owned compilation back in 2015?


We have relative peace because the world happens to be unipolar at this point in history.

“Human rights” is meaningless idealism.

morality is idealistic

“All men being equal” is blatantly untrue.

all people are equal as inividuals before actions are taken into account.

You confuse cause and effect. Technological advancement is a result of our more disciplined ancestors. Their success is the reason why we can afford to indulge in all the nonsense above.

Now this just reflects an ignorance of history. Our ancestors weren't "diciplined", and history hasn't stopped happening. Older, more traditionalist generations have been in conflict with younger generations with new ideas ever since we advanced beyond hunding and gathering. In fact, the unique aspects of societies that we call "culture" is a result of that.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:26 pm

Thyrgga wrote:There's nowhere in Europe that's still meaningfully a monarchy.

Another lame attempt. I never said that Europe has absolute monarchies, namely because I'm aware that there is none. However, you may try living in Belarus, Europe's last dictatorship, or any other dictatorships and absolute monarchies in the rest of the world.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:30 pm

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Biden Harris are not radical at all.

Mental ineptitude was the last presidents deal not the current.

And no I do not want him removed from office.


I’ve barely heard Biden get through a sentence during a press conference. It’s actually painful.

Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

Biden/Harris is the most radical administration we’ve had yet. Biden’s blatant ignorance of the constitutional process for making laws exemplifies this. Harris is from California, probably one of the most leftist states in the US. This administration has approved some of the highest government spending in the history of the country to fund one-sided efforts dealing with highly controversial issues. They have almost no bipartisan support. How is this not radical? It is easy to understand why right wingers like myself are extremely pissed right now, because the current administration ignores democracy in favor of pushing an agenda.


You mean the guy who thinks that the election was stolen from him?

Your definition of “radical” is a tad to wide. Biden is a center-left President.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:33 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Mercatus wrote:
I’ve barely heard Biden get through a sentence during a press conference. It’s actually painful.

Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.

Biden/Harris is the most radical administration we’ve had yet. Biden’s blatant ignorance of the constitutional process for making laws exemplifies this. Harris is from California, probably one of the most leftist states in the US. This administration has approved some of the highest government spending in the history of the country to fund one-sided efforts dealing with highly controversial issues. They have almost no bipartisan support. How is this not radical? It is easy to understand why right wingers like myself are extremely pissed right now, because the current administration ignores democracy in favor of pushing an agenda.


You mean the guy who thinks that the election was stolen from him?

Your definition of “radical” is a tad to wide. Biden is a center-left President.

To call him "center-left" is still a bit much. He might not share the same brand of rabid rightism that the GOP does, but he's still very much a rightist in a similar vein.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:39 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
You mean the guy who thinks that the election was stolen from him?

Your definition of “radical” is a tad to wide. Biden is a center-left President.

To call him "center-left" is still a bit much. He might not share the same brand of rabid rightism that the GOP does, but he's still very much a rightist in a similar vein.



In American political science, he is center/center-left. He is to the right of President Obama, I will admit that. And in Europe, he would most likely be a member of a center-right political party.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:41 pm

Mercatus wrote:Trump wasn’t mentally inept, hence why he could deliver clear, concise speeches and actually answer questions from reporters.


You are being sarcastic, right ?
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Postby Picairn » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:54 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:In American political science, he is center/center-left. He is to the right of President Obama, I will admit that. And in Europe, he would most likely be a member of a center-right political party.

I disagree, Biden is lefter than Obama. Case in point: His Covid stimulus package, which is way bigger than Obama's one in 2009. Biden has learned a lesson from Obama's experience with the Republicans and decided to go for reconciliation instead of trying to negotiate with them.
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