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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:48 am

Vivolkha wrote:
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You mean the ones that tend to start in response to police use of force against peaceful protests?

Rioting is not justified even in the face of police violence. Especially not in the US which is not even an authoritarian state.

Now that's just cowardly.
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:53 am

Alien Overlord wrote:Illegal aliens are not citizens and are oftentimes undocumented-which may not sound like a problem until you realize that the left has advocated for and succeeded in allowing them to vote in federal elections.


NOPE.
NOPE.
NOPE.
NOPE

But that lie gets repeated over, and over, and over.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:57 am

Dejado Atras wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Interesting. I lean very libertarian socially and recently have moved left. I was a pro-capitalist for several years before but was still very libertarian. And before my libertarian leanings started I was a fascist, which in turn was spurred on by milquetoast conservatism.


Actually it was the Trump days that had me tilting a little more left as later years passed. But then other non-Trump related developments socially (combined with Biden’s first few months in office) have pretty much re-solidified me on the right. The moderate right of course, though ask most-a leftist and they’ll say there is no “moderate right”.


I totally understand where your coming from.

I hope that Biden can improve.


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:58 am

Katganistan wrote:
Alien Overlord wrote:Illegal aliens are not citizens and are oftentimes undocumented-which may not sound like a problem until you realize that the left has advocated for and succeeded in allowing them to vote in federal elections.


NOPE.
NOPE.
NOPE.
NOPE

But that lie gets repeated over, and over, and over.

Ah, but the evil liberal globalist cabal has conspired to let illegals vote at the ballot box and has meticulously concealed this.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:15 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Please answer the questions below, over to you now:

OANN,


Pushes conspiracies and has a problem with fact check failure, poor sourcing.

Sorry the conspiracies alone makes it fail as a reliable source.

Breitbart,


You complain about leftist bias all the time and yet you are cool with Breitbart who is known for extreame bias.

Breitbart is not a valid source as they routinely promote propaganda and conspiracies. Terrible sourcing. They have a major lack of transparency. They are what the ex-president would call fake news.

Redstate


Fails fact checks and has at times used questionable or rather dubious sourcing. They have been accused to censoring news which makes the GOP/Conservatives look bad. A year or so ago they had a few people quit when stories which made the ex-president look bad were censored.

It’s a questionable source and should be verified as they seem to be heading into the conspiracy/propaganda areas.

One thing I noticed on their site? No “About Us” link or tab. Who is the current editor?

GOPUSA


Have to admit I didn’t know this existed. Checking a few review sites. They seem to censor news which makes the right look bad. They have failed a fact check. They favor the right obviously and like other media sources like to use emotion loaded wording.

As a source? Questionable and requires verification of their stories.

The Federalist


Not a valid source. They have a problem of routinely publishing propaganda and conspiracies. Sourcing is bad as in light or frequently not using credible information. They lack transparency. This is what the ex-president calls “Fake News”

Town Hall


Same as The Federalist

Newsmax


Same as The Federalist

Fox News


Eliminate the talking heads and it improves. Still has failed many fact checks; has published a few conspiracies; has a problems with sourcing and does omit details which makes the right look bad.

Usable however needs verification.

Are Acceptable and Reliable News Sources to Conservative Republicans, Proud Pro Trump Republicans, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA to me and us. That is what matters to us.


This is what is sad about the GOP. It’s been reduced to owning the libs. The truth doesn’t matter.

I am not going to post to you or any persons from any links they ask me too or suggest to me. No one on NS does so, they post to us from whatever news sources they wish just like you do, which happens to agree with their views not your views. Perhaps not with the views of the posters they are posting too, this is a Fact.


It is a fact you like to publish from conspiracy sites and “echo chambers”

Do You post to me from a news source I wish? Do you post to other persons from a news source they wish? ok, Please Post to me from OANN, Breitbart, Redstate.org, GOP USA, The Federalist, Town Hall, Newsmax, Fox News - which Are Acceptable and Reliable News Sources to Conservative Republicans, Proud Pro Trump Republicans, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of The USA like me?

Wasted verbage as its a repeat of the opening paragraph.

Has any Persons ever asked you to post from a news source they wish? If they have I will never do so.


I have been asked for sources many times and there are arguments over the details of the story. I have even admitted when I was wrong or way off on something.

I see you crossed out again, all the relevant information to me, I wanted to you to read and understand, I don't expect you or any persons to agree with it. Do you expect me and other persons to agree with you on what you post to me and other persons?


If I didn’t want people to see it, I would have cut it out. Strikes tend to be when you repeat statements which are well established or simply a repeat of what you already wrote. Saying something many times does not make it true.

I told you before on a post, You have a right to cross out all the words in my posts, as you have done a few times in the past. I told you I think the moderators should not allow us to do so. If I can I am going to suggest it to the moderators one of these days at the right time for their consideration if they wish to consider it, if they say no, I say like Ana Mario Polo - He Dicho Caso Cerrado - I Said Case Closed and I will forget about it.


Nobody says you can’t ask a moderator for a ruling. Do it. Be patient as it can take time while that chat about it.

Am I supposed to post to you from a news source that perhaps agrees with your views, or agrees with your views?
Are we supposed to post to you from a news source that perhaps agrees with your views, or agrees with your views?


When have I ever given you only acceptable sources? Well; I did say Reuters and the AP due to lack of bias and bad sourcing.

Do you post to me and other persons from a news source that perhaps agrees with my views and those other persons views?


Sure. Even bad sites have a proper story from time to time. Usually it’s about “this is going on” or “this person said that”. Easily verifiable.

Please answer the questions, thank you?
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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:17 am

The Black Forrest wrote:There is something about laughing for no reason; I am not qualified to make that call.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:24 am

Vassenor wrote:Funny how the riots ricochet from being entirely about acquiring shiny things to being political violence depending on what point conservatives want to make.

Shiny politics.

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Postby Katganistan » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:33 am

CoraSpia wrote:I still don't understand why America has such a messed up voting system. In the UK we use this revolutionary new voting machine called box. You input your vote into box, using the slot-top method, and then it gets counted by a load of people and then read out. Parties can ask for recounts if it's close. No possibility for hacking, no votes getting lost in the mail, no stupid punchcards.

How many voters are there in the UK?
The US population is 327 million, versus the UK's population of 66 million.
239 million eligible voters as of the 2020 election (only 66% of whom actually did), versus 48 million in the UK as of March 2020.

The total area of the United States of America is estimated at total 3,718,710 square miles, which is equal to 9,631,420 square kilometers.

The total area of the United Kingdom according to the Office for National Statistics is 248,532 square kilometres (95,960 sq mi), comprising the island of Great Britain, the northeastern one-sixth of the island of Ireland (Northern Ireland) and many smaller islands. This makes it the 7th largest island country in the world.

Do the math on why old-school paper ballots would be incredibly unwieldy and even MORE subject to fraud (can we say ballot-stuffing?) in the US compared to the UK.

That's not to mention that trying to get a near-accurate projection on election night would be impossible.
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Postby Thyrgga » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:35 am

Katganistan wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:end the 2 party system.

In favor of what, a king?


Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:41 am

Thyrgga wrote:
Katganistan wrote:In favor of what, a king?


Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

:roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:44 am

Katganistan wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I still don't understand why America has such a messed up voting system. In the UK we use this revolutionary new voting machine called box. You input your vote into box, using the slot-top method, and then it gets counted by a load of people and then read out. Parties can ask for recounts if it's close. No possibility for hacking, no votes getting lost in the mail, no stupid punchcards.

How many voters are there in the UK?
The US population is 327 million, versus the UK's population of 66 million.
239 million eligible voters as of the 2020 election (only 66% of whom actually did), versus 48 million in the UK as of March 2020.

The total area of the United States of America is estimated at total 3,718,710 square miles, which is equal to 9,631,420 square kilometers.

The total area of the United Kingdom according to the Office for National Statistics is 248,532 square kilometres (95,960 sq mi), comprising the island of Great Britain, the northeastern one-sixth of the island of Ireland (Northern Ireland) and many smaller islands. This makes it the 7th largest island country in the world.

Do the math on why old-school paper ballots would be incredibly unwieldy and even MORE subject to fraud (can we say ballot-stuffing?) in the US compared to the UK.

While doing those calculations, remember to take into account that greater money and resources that the US has available to it. A higher population means more votes to count, but also more people available to count votes.

That's not to mention that trying to get a near-accurate projection on election night would be impossible.

Consider that getting an accurate projection of the results within a few hours of the polls closing is not actually important.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:28 pm

Vivolkha wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean the ones that tend to start in response to police use of force against peaceful protests?

Rioting is not justified even in the face of police violence. Especially not in the US which is not even an authoritarian state.

1) The state doesn't really try to change much until they get scared of unrest, and the blame lies on the state for refusing to change things until people got angry enough to riot and in the police for agitating them.

2) The US is an authoritarian state, as well as an imperialist one.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:33 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Katganistan wrote:In favor of what, a king?


Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

Believe me; leftists want to abolish a system so entrenched that many people can't even concieve a world without it. We are quite willing to hang a despot.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:51 pm

Katganistan wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:I still don't understand why America has such a messed up voting system. In the UK we use this revolutionary new voting machine called box. You input your vote into box, using the slot-top method, and then it gets counted by a load of people and then read out. Parties can ask for recounts if it's close. No possibility for hacking, no votes getting lost in the mail, no stupid punchcards.

How many voters are there in the UK?
The US population is 327 million, versus the UK's population of 66 million.
239 million eligible voters as of the 2020 election (only 66% of whom actually did), versus 48 million in the UK as of March 2020.

The total area of the United States of America is estimated at total 3,718,710 square miles, which is equal to 9,631,420 square kilometers.

The total area of the United Kingdom according to the Office for National Statistics is 248,532 square kilometres (95,960 sq mi), comprising the island of Great Britain, the northeastern one-sixth of the island of Ireland (Northern Ireland) and many smaller islands. This makes it the 7th largest island country in the world.

Do the math on why old-school paper ballots would be incredibly unwieldy and even MORE subject to fraud (can we say ballot-stuffing?) in the US compared to the UK.

That's not to mention that trying to get a near-accurate projection on election night would be impossible.


Is that a bad thing? I think that the media should not give out any results until they're actually certified by the proper authorities.
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Postby Thyrgga » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:53 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Thyrgga wrote:
Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

Believe me; leftists want to abolish a system so entrenched that many people can't even concieve a world without it. We are quite willing to hang a despot.


That sounds like far-right violence to me.

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Postby Nakena » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:56 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Believe me; leftists want to abolish a system so entrenched that many people can't even concieve a world without it. We are quite willing to hang a despot.


That sounds like far-right violence to me.


They dont have the moral superiority bonus of the Holy Church of Saint Marx and Communism though.

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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:02 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Katganistan wrote:In favor of what, a king?


Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.


Who would be this new monarch?
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Postby Thyrgga » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:02 pm

Nakena wrote:
Thyrgga wrote:
That sounds like far-right violence to me.


They dont have the moral superiority bonus of the Holy Church of Saint Marx and Communism though.


You merely get tolerated if you subscribe to that church. The true Church of Progress gets its worldview purely from philosophers of color.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:21 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Believe me; leftists want to abolish a system so entrenched that many people can't even concieve a world without it. We are quite willing to hang a despot.


That sounds like far-right violence to me.

Hanging an unelected tyrant is not far-right violence. It's left-wing violence. Learn the difference.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:32 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Katganistan wrote:In favor of what, a king?


Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

Think of the founding fathers reaction to that statement.

You don't like progressives so much you want to undo century's of work to get a fair and free government beacuse sjw bad.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:39 pm

Dejado Atras wrote:
Thyrgga wrote:
Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.


Who would be this new monarch?


No one, because there will be no monarch.

Keep that shit in the Old World where it belongs.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:45 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Dejado Atras wrote:
Who would be this new monarch?


No one, because there will be no monarch.

Keep that shit in the Old World where it belongs.


Too late. He was even recognized by at least one foreign monarch. :p

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Postby Dejado Atras » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:48 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Dejado Atras wrote:
Who would be this new monarch?


No one, because there will be no monarch.

Keep that shit in the Old World where it belongs.


Exactly. I was asking in a sense of whimsy. Partially because I was curious as to what harebrained suggestions would be offered.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:52 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thyrgga wrote:
Yes, that would be much better. Progressive politics would disappear because the incentive structure that made such politics favorable would disappear.

Think of the founding fathers reaction to that statement.

You don't like progressives so much you want to undo century's of work to get a fair and free government beacuse sjw bad.

They're in a fascist region, so I don't think they care.
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