Rise of Domestic US terrorism fueled mostly by far right

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

My man in your own words you said you'd rather side with Nazis than Centrists. That is a serious moral failing on your part, and your projective post here - which constitutes little more than "no u" - does not change that fact nor does it bring me down to your level.

Sometimes I feel that many lefties on NSG would rather be a Nazi than a Centrist.

Only Nazbols but they aren’t the entirety of the left.

[Lady Victory]

You know what? Time has passed and I no longer believe Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup.

This, and this alone, is all I need to know that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Vassenor]

This, and this alone, is all I need to know that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

This from Trollzyn The Infinite.

So your position is that Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup, and when it failed he was angry as fuck at the half-assed insurrectionaries who failed to kill even one of the 538 Congress people necessary for Trump to actually seize power?

Actually, Trump seemed ashamed, as much as he ever is. Such a half-assed coup, sad.

He literally has no idea what it would take to make him President again. Are you entirely serious yourself, calling the Congress invasion an attempted coup?

So what was Trump doing at his Jan 6th rally?

[Nakena]

Sometimes I feel that many lefties on NSG would rather be a Nazi than a Centrist.

Only Nazbols but they aren’t the entirety of the left.

I am glad you still appriciate me.

Time has passed and I no longer believe Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup.

Whether he meant it or not, he did create a situation where his followers almost sucessfully invaded congress with hostile intentions. In south america this would have passed easily as self-coup attempt (Autogolpe), and the events of 6th January fit the bill of that and as well similiar historical incidents around the world. Had it been sucessfull in some way then all hell would have broken loose.

Whats standing out is a remarkable lack of organization and a very half-hearted intend, and further study of the matter and the final days in the Trump White House, pretty much show that things were in complete disarray and chaos. I do not believe it had much chance of "success" and that lies in the intrinsic nature of all things Trump and MAGA, which is all show but no substance.

[Lady Victory]

This, and this alone, is all I need to know that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

This from Trollzyn The Infinite.

So your position is that Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup, and when it failed he was angry as fuck at the half-assed insurrectionaries who failed to kill even one of the 538 Congress people necessary for Trump to actually seize power?

Actually, Trump seemed ashamed, as much as he ever is. Such a half-assed coup, sad.

He literally has no idea what it would take to make him President again. Are you entirely serious yourself, calling the Congress invasion an attempted coup?

My guy, I really don't know how else to explain this to you.

The President called his supporters to march on the Capitol to "stop the steal". He told them to be prepared to do whatever it takes. When they began to overwhelm the police they called for National Guard assistance. The President then directly told the National Guard not to intervene. They stormed the Capitol screaming "Hang Mike Pence!". They brought guns, bombs, zip-ties, and were being fed information by Lauren Broebert and other GOP officials from within. 5 people died, including one police officer. A fucking black cop had to use his own race to distract the Neo-Nazis because they were so rabid and out for blood. It was only because of the actions of the D.C. police (and the general incompetence of the rioters) that no one in Congress, including the Vice President, were harmed.

It was by sheer fucking luck that no government officials died that day, because all the signs point to a premeditated attempt to take over the Capitol and install Trump as a dictator. This isn't up for debate; Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He said, in his own words, that he could shoot someone in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue and not lose supporters. He knows his audience, he knew exactly what they'd do, but because he's a fucking moron he thought all he had to do was sick his supporters on the Capitol. And the minute it failed, the minute the incompetence of the rioters became known to the GOP, Republicans washed their hands of it all. They shouted "Hallelujah" as it happened and condemned it as a "liberal ploy" when it failed.

They knew what they were doing, they were just too stupid to do it right; God bless.

[Gravlen]

This, and this alone, is all I need to know that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

This from Trollzyn The Infinite.

So your position is that Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup, and when it failed he was angry as fuck at the half-assed insurrectionaries who failed to kill even one of the 538 Congress people necessary for Trump to actually seize power?

Actually, Trump seemed ashamed, as much as he ever is. Such a half-assed coup, sad.

He literally has no idea what it would take to make him President again. Are you entirely serious yourself, calling the Congress invasion an attempted coup?

You're not asking me, I know. But still, since I'm here, I can say that if you had been asking me, I would without any doubt or hesitation andswer your question in the affirmative.

Carry on.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You know what? Time has passed and I no longer believe Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup.

This, and this alone, is all I need to know that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Real talk, when you have two speakers before you celebrate violence and bloodshed and then you tell your people to walk down to the capitol and stop "the rigging," you don't get to pretend you didn't incite a riot.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Only Nazbols but they aren’t the entirety of the left.

I am glad you still appriciate me.

[Esternial]

"Wanting to have something forced onto you" is a nonsensical expression. Wanting it implies it's not forced.

It sometimes difficult to understand why people want what they want, and it's sad that there are people that won't/can't understand fall into the mentality of "they don't know what's good for them" or "they're brainwashed". It's a very dehumanizing line of thinking. People can always have misgivings or be plain wrong, but if so many people stand behind something it must be worth at least a little effort to try and grasp why they do it rather than dismiss is as "leftist indoctrination" or "right-wing circlejerking", which are thinly-veiled attempts at mentally dismissing people as human beings with agency.

Normally I'd agree but in the case of the American Far-Right a lot of them genuinely are being brainwashed. Far-Right media outlets are some of the least reliable news outlets in the country specifically because they spew propaganda rather than facts. They use psychological warfare to convince well-intentioned people into believing outright lies and falsehoods by spoon-feeding them exactly what they want to hear mixed with doses of fearmongering, promotion of conspiracy theories, frequent use of dogwhistles, and gaslighting. Like, this isn't even up for debate. The American Far-Right is genuinely being indoctrinated to reject reason and truth in favor of whatever nonsense Fox, OANN, Breitbart, and all the rest want them to believe. It's quite possibly the most successful campaign of mass misinformation we've ever seen and it's leading to increased sectarian violence and is a direct threat to the continued survival of our democracy.

With both sides accusing the other of brainwashing, doubling-down on it doesn't seem like it would bring any resolution, whether you're speaking the truth or not.

If someone is being brainwashed, however, telling them they're being brainwashed is not going to make a lot of difference. It would be more useful to understand why people accept apparent misinformation so readily. Oftentimes the answers to this questions are along the lines of "they're stupid", "they don't know any better", etc. which again doesn't invite much progress towards mutual understanding.

People focus a lot on the content of what other people believe and perhaps too little on why they believe it, which these days is more and more relevant in this "post-fact" society we're living in.

"Wanting to have something forced onto you" is a nonsensical expression. Wanting it implies it's not forced.

Oh come on. "Wanting a system where they're forced to eat Jalapeños" is enough modification. And if you're still going to quibble, do you think we live in such a benign world that nobody is ever forced to do something the don't like?

This is a mere linguistics sidetrack and you're misreading it.

My only point is that if you say "Person X wants to be forced to do something" it - as a sentence - doesn't make sense. I am not making any implications here about person Y, Z, etc.

It was a throwaway comment about semantics and when you read it, it somehow got warped into something more than that. I hope I've clarified this enough now so it doesn't require another reply...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So, how are things you call 'mistakes'

People shouldn't have to work up to 80 hours a week to feed their kids.

BUT IF THEY DIDN'T, that would be another full time job for someone else.

Leftists should not ever make a mistake like that.

and the claim that capitalism isn't eternal objectionable?

Yeah, this one is left for you to re-read.

And more importantly, how are they comparable to someone who helped instigate the 6th of January attacks?

Judging her by her followers. You know what? Time has passed and I no longer believe Donald Trump meant to instigate a coup.

I think you're backing down a bit too. In early February would you have used such moderate language as "helped intigate ... an attack"? You would have said "attempted coup" wouldn't you?

It scared us all a bit, but there is a time to get over it.

And what do the sexist, racist things the GOP have to say about AOC have to do with her being objectionable?

Sigh. She says controversial things, and all I'm asking is for you to imagine how right-wingers see those things. Like: "I'm here to end capitalism!" and "Nobody should have to work at all, because they have children to support"

And you know how right wingers feel about privilege. Dropped out of school at 15, worked in their uncle's panel-beating business, maybe did some bad things but didn't get caught, somehow got a good job, now they're resentful of anyone wherever they started, who made better choices. "Oh I've had some bad times, but modesty forbids me to say. YOU obviously went to college, so don't talk to me about privilege!"

She's got a smart mouth on her, and some right wingers are going to resent that, whatever she actually says. If you can't see it from their side ... then maybe stop despising them. Empathy is a fundamental of the Leftist mindset.

You have lost me there, I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about, if you start spitballing about what you think I used to call the that attack.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Sometimes I feel that many lefties on NSG would rather be a Nazi than a Centrist.

Only Nazbols but they aren’t the entirety of the left.

National Bolshevism isn’t an ideology. You can safely classify most of its "followers" as either Stalinists or Fascists

[Fansania]

The term "far-right" is now equated to "nazism" or "extremist" at this point, also this entire thread's title implies that.

[Comerciante]

I mean isn't that how it works? Go far enough to the Right you get Hitler? Far enough to the Left you get Stalin?

[Neu California]

The term "far-right" is now equated to "nazism" or "extremist" at this point, also this entire thread's title implies that.

And?

[Odreria]

I mean isn't that how it works? Go far enough to the Right you get Hitler? Far enough to the Left you get Stalin?

Deep...

[Kubra]

I mean isn't that how it works? Go far enough to the Right you get Hitler? Far enough to the Left you get Stalin?

No, if you go far enough left you get an infantile disorder.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

BUT BOTH SIDES seems to be a pretty common right-wing deflection these days.

I see now that GCCS made a comment that looked like a debating reply to me, but was just intended to dismiss me with rhetorical questions, for the entertainment of people like you.

AOC says things that are controversial, extremely offensive to right wingers, and sometimes a bit ridiculous too. I was never under any onus to answer 2, because I never claimed they are equally bad at this time. "Time will tell" is an expression of incomplete knowledge.

If you think I'm a right winger, the only reason I can imagine is that you saw "Right Wing Utopia" below my postcount, put that together with me not fawning over Democrats or condemning Trump to hell, and resolved never to read anything I write again. Would that be about right?

You are wrong, but you are so convinced by your own cleverness that I don’t think anything I say could convince you.

[North Washington Republic]

Sometimes I feel that many lefties on NSG would rather be a Nazi than a Centrist.

Hahahahahahahahaha

No

You just happen to be one of the few here who’s openly anti-populist, AKA upholding the status quo

In some cases, yes. In some cases, not so much.

Plus, isn’t “upholding the status quo” a hallmark of conservatism?

[Vassenor]

BUT BOTH SIDES seems to be a pretty common right-wing deflection these days.

I see now that GCCS made a comment that looked like a debating reply to me, but was just intended to dismiss me with rhetorical questions, for the entertainment of people like you.

AOC says things that are controversial, extremely offensive to right wingers, and sometimes a bit ridiculous too. I was never under any onus to answer 2, because I never claimed they are equally bad at this time. "Time will tell" is an expression of incomplete knowledge.

If you think I'm a right winger, the only reason I can imagine is that you saw "Right Wing Utopia" below my postcount, put that together with me not fawning over Democrats or condemning Trump to hell, and resolved never to read anything I write again. Would that be about right?

If you're not trying to claim they're equally bad why do you keep equating them in general?

[North Washington Republic]

I see now that GCCS made a comment that looked like a debating reply to me, but was just intended to dismiss me with rhetorical questions, for the entertainment of people like you.

AOC says things that are controversial, extremely offensive to right wingers, and sometimes a bit ridiculous too. I was never under any onus to answer 2, because I never claimed they are equally bad at this time. "Time will tell" is an expression of incomplete knowledge.

If you think I'm a right winger, the only reason I can imagine is that you saw "Right Wing Utopia" below my postcount, put that together with me not fawning over Democrats or condemning Trump to hell, and resolved never to read anything I write again. Would that be about right?

If you're not trying to claim they're equally bad why do you keep equating them in general?

I have to agree with you. I disagree with AOC and MTG, but MTG is batshit crazy. I think people underestimate AOC’s intelligence, even though her polices are pie in the sky.

[Kubra]

BUT BOTH SIDES seems to be a pretty common right-wing deflection these days.

I see now that GCCS made a comment that looked like a debating reply to me, but was just intended to dismiss me with rhetorical questions, for the entertainment of people like you.

AOC says things that are controversial, extremely offensive to right wingers, and sometimes a bit ridiculous too. I was never under any onus to answer 2, because I never claimed they are equally bad at this time. "Time will tell" is an expression of incomplete knowledge.

If you think I'm a right winger, the only reason I can imagine is that you saw "Right Wing Utopia" below my postcount, put that together with me not fawning over Democrats or condemning Trump to hell, and resolved never to read anything I write again. Would that be about right?

It could be because you say "people like you", you know.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Hahahahahahahahaha

No

You just happen to be one of the few here who’s openly anti-populist, AKA upholding the status quo

In some cases, yes. In some cases, not so much.

Plus, isn’t “upholding the status quo” a hallmark of conservatism?

Obviously

[Diarcesia]

Hahahahahahahahaha

No

You just happen to be one of the few here who’s openly anti-populist, AKA upholding the status quo

In some cases, yes. In some cases, not so much.

Plus, isn’t “upholding the status quo” a hallmark of conservatism?

Imagine upholding a status quo far back enough to be in the imaginary past.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

If you're not trying to claim they're equally bad why do you keep equating them in general?

I have to agree with you. I disagree with AOC and MTG, but MTG is batshit crazy. I think people underestimate AOC’s intelligence, even though her polices are pie in the sky.

Given that much of AOC's policies are already spearheaded by many countries around the world, calling them "pie in the sky" is a pretty tone deaf statement.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Given that much of AOC's policies are already spearheaded by many countries around the world, calling them "pie in the sky" is a pretty tone deaf statement.

Her "policies" eh? Let's judge MTG by dumb shit she says, but judge AOC by her policies. That's fair ...

Experienced politicians know not to say dumb shit. They know that dumb shit will barely ever get through to their base, but will be played over and over, edited down to a nub of dumb shit, for the entertainment and motivation of their political enemies.

If a politician wants to avoid having their intelligence under-estimated, not saying dumb shit should be principle number one, of saying anything at all.

On the other hand, becoming a dumb person was the key to Reagan's success, so I dunno.

AOC generally doesn’t say dumb things, however. Again, there is a difference between saying the fascist shit Taylor Greene says and any calculation errors AOC might have made.