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Postby Auze » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:08 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
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I’m still wondering why Libertarians and Ancaps thought it was a smart idea to partner with neo-nazis and white nationalists. What was Rothbard thinking?

Because the "libertarian right" doesn't exist as hierarchial exploitative structures are fundamentally authoritarian. The ideologies are much closer to each other than they would like to admit

Honestly, it's kinda entertaining to watch online leftists denounce Horseshoe Effect/Horseshoe Theory and then come up with this.

"From my point of view, there's literally no difference between Authoritarian and Libertarian on the Right"
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Postby Elwher » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:33 am

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Austreylia wrote:It doesn't matter. Illegal is illegal.


The law is not the basis of human morality.


And morality is not the basis of human law.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:25 am

Austreylia wrote:
Toronina wrote:we don't lie and say we're being replaced by foreigners.

Correct, you don't say it.

But you gloat about it and then fly into a rage whenever someone points it out.

Newsflash: every time someone "gloats" about it it's because they're making fun of how ridiculous "Great Replacement" conspiracy theorists sound, because hell, even if it was true, so the fuck what lmfao
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:28 am

Austreylia wrote:
Toronina wrote:we don't lie and say we're being replaced by foreigners.

Correct, you don't say it.

But you gloat about it and then fly into a rage whenever someone points it out.


And what is the evidence to support Great Replacement?
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:28 am

Auze wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Because the "libertarian right" doesn't exist as hierarchial exploitative structures are fundamentally authoritarian. The ideologies are much closer to each other than they would like to admit

Honestly, it's kinda entertaining to watch online leftists denounce Horseshoe Effect/Horseshoe Theory and then come up with this.

"From my point of view, there's literally no difference between Authoritarian and Libertarian on the Right"

There is a big difference between the authright and the libright. It's just that the libright isn't actually all that libertarian.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:54 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
I’m still wondering why Libertarians and Ancaps thought it was a smart idea to partner with neo-nazis and white nationalists. What was Rothbard thinking?

Because the "libertarian right" doesn't exist as hierarchial exploitative structures are fundamentally authoritarian. The ideologies are much closer to each other than they would like to admit

I think it's just a mutual hatred of the left and that they attract the same type of people, rather than genuine ideological similarity.
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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:04 am

Vassenor wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Correct, you don't say it.

But you gloat about it and then fly into a rage whenever someone points it out.


And what is the evidence to support Great Replacement?


Current demographic trends which could quite literally change at any moment.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:17 am

I will also say, it isn't just white supremacy on the rise, though it is certainly the biggest threat to the American republic and democracy right now.

Corporatism, black nationalism, the Muslim far-right, and all reactionaries in general are all dangers to freedom. One need only remember that before Jacobins, there was Absolute Monarchists.

I miss the days when Monarchists were just trendy instead of a possible danger to our right to vote.

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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:25 am

The Rich Port wrote:I will also say, it isn't just white supremacy on the rise, though it is certainly the biggest threat to the American republic and democracy right now.

Corporatism, black nationalism, the Muslim far-right, and all reactionaries in general are all dangers to freedom. One need only remember that before Jacobins, there was Absolute Monarchists.

I miss the days when Monarchists were just trendy instead of a possible danger to our right to vote.


Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:37 am

Lady Victory wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:I will also say, it isn't just white supremacy on the rise, though it is certainly the biggest threat to the American republic and democracy right now.

Corporatism, black nationalism, the Muslim far-right, and all reactionaries in general are all dangers to freedom. One need only remember that before Jacobins, there was Absolute Monarchists.

I miss the days when Monarchists were just trendy instead of a possible danger to our right to vote.


Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.


AKA the average NationStates member :P

Although OK fine I concede that maybe not monarchists but definitely fascists are a danger to America, regardless of their ethnicity, religion, or skin color, and we need to watch against all of them.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:47 am

Austreylia wrote:
Toronina wrote:It does matter though. You claimed they're swarming across the border. How about you back up your claim?

You wouldn't know replacement even if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a piano. You can speak your own language, the far right is empowered in Australia, you can still hold a job, buy a house, go to school, learn about your nation and history. In fact said history is white washed and glosses over the various injustices indigenous people have faced.

You don't have the slightest clue what being replaced is like, because it isn't happening to you.

The far-right isn't empowered anywhere in the world.


Turkey and Hungary don't exist anymore?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:48 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.


AKA the average NationStates member :P

Although OK fine I concede that maybe not monarchists but definitely fascists are a danger to America, regardless of their ethnicity, religion, or skin color, and we need to watch against all of them.


Bad times bring out the worst in people. Nazis and tankies they flood in.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:50 am

Lady Victory wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:I will also say, it isn't just white supremacy on the rise, though it is certainly the biggest threat to the American republic and democracy right now.

Corporatism, black nationalism, the Muslim far-right, and all reactionaries in general are all dangers to freedom. One need only remember that before Jacobins, there was Absolute Monarchists.

I miss the days when Monarchists were just trendy instead of a possible danger to our right to vote.


Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.
Depends where you are and its relation to monarchy, really. Here obviously fewer fucks could be given, in some other places far right and monarchism are largely synonymous.
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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:56 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.


AKA the average NationStates member :P

Although OK fine I concede that maybe not monarchists but definitely fascists are a danger to America, regardless of their ethnicity, religion, or skin color, and we need to watch against all of them.


Oh, absolutely. Fascism has always been a threat and will always be a threat. Constant vigilance is necessary.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:57 am

Austreylia wrote:
Toronina wrote:It does matter though. You claimed they're swarming across the border. How about you back up your claim?

You wouldn't know replacement even if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a piano. You can speak your own language, the far right is empowered in Australia, you can still hold a job, buy a house, go to school, learn about your nation and history. In fact said history is white washed and glosses over the various injustices indigenous people have faced.

You don't have the slightest clue what being replaced is like, because it isn't happening to you.

The far-right isn't empowered anywhere in the world.


Poland and Hungary would like to have a word with you.

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Postby Diarcesia » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:49 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austreylia wrote:The far-right isn't empowered anywhere in the world.


Poland and Hungary would like to have a word with you.

Either that or he really meant the far-right is not empowered unless they possess unlimited power.

They love democracy, right?
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Postby Deblar » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:51 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Poland and Hungary would like to have a word with you.

Either that or he really meant the far-right is not empowered unless they possess unlimited power.

They love democracy, right?

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:53 pm

Kubra wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Hey look I like to dunk on monarchists myself but, uh, are they really a threat to democracy right now? Like, anywhere? Because I'm pretty sure monarchism isn't even trendy anymore except among 14 year olds who play too many Paradox games.
Depends where you are and its relation to monarchy, really. Here obviously fewer fucks could be given, in some other places far right and monarchism are largely synonymous.


While I was indeed mostly referring to America... Yeah, I forgot about that part.

Sad part is, there's definitely some "Americans" who wanted King Trump.

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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:55 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Kubra wrote: Depends where you are and its relation to monarchy, really. Here obviously fewer fucks could be given, in some other places far right and monarchism are largely synonymous.


While I was indeed mostly referring to America... Yeah, I forgot about that part.

Sad part is, there's definitely some "Americans" who wanted King Trump.


Just wanting Trump to begin with is bad enough. I wouldn't want the man as a door mat let alone as leader of... anything, really.
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Postby Fansania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:01 pm

Maybe America and Europe has gone so far left that the traditionalists and conservatives are getting angrier.

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Postby Fansania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:05 pm

Alien Overlord wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
Giving in to terrorists is objectively a bad idea.

Besides that, it's moral cowardice of the lowest order.

So then why were we doing exactly that when BLM were rioting and looting? Besides only a fool would continue provoking half of the population with increasingly radical legislation when those radical positions led to thousands of normal working joe's storming the capital. These aren't terrorists, these are people concerned with losing their rights which is a completely human and normal reaction. If you want proof look at the thousands of examples throughout history of similar events, especially in the former Soviet Union.

A democracy is supposed to work for all of it's citizens, something the left hasn't been doing.

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Postby Fansania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:08 pm

Neu California wrote:
Alien Overlord wrote:So then why were we doing exactly that when BLM were rioting and looting? Besides only a fool would continue provoking half of the population with increasingly radical legislation when those radical positions led to thousands of normal working joe's storming the capital. These aren't terrorists, these are people concerned with losing their rights which is a completely human and normal reaction. If you want proof look at the thousands of examples throughout history of similar events, especially in the former Soviet Union.

A democracy is supposed to work for all of it's citizens, something the left hasn't been doing.

Examples of this increasingly radical legislation?

And what rights are these people losing? (the ability to discriminate against someone over their race, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, or other immutable characteristics is not a right, BTW, but seems to be the big thing on the right with all the transgender sports bans)

I am interested, can you tell me what your opinion was on transgender people 10 years ago?

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Postby Fansania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:13 pm

CoraSpia wrote:How strange that pushing divisive policies leads to the other side getting angry enough to fight. It's truly a shocking revelation.

Not, not really. In fact, if people didn't start fighting and doing action we wouldn't have discovered any new countries. That is part why the ancient Greeks were conquered.

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Postby Fansania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:23 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Neu California wrote:Examples of this increasingly radical legislation?

And what rights are these people losing? (the ability to discriminate against someone over their race, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, or other immutable characteristics is not a right, BTW, but seems to be the big thing on the right with all the transgender sports bans)

It's really strange that people on the left keep banging on about how private businesses can set their own rules about who to provide a service to when it's regarding technology companies banning conservative voices but this idea goes out of the window when the group that they would prefer not to do business with is one that progressives like. The lack of consistency here is somewhat curious.


Because most big business has supported conservatism or were apolitical historically, now most are left and conservatives realized they have been duped. That's not inconsistency.

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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:27 pm

Fansania wrote:
Alien Overlord wrote:So then why were we doing exactly that when BLM were rioting and looting? Besides only a fool would continue provoking half of the population with increasingly radical legislation when those radical positions led to thousands of normal working joe's storming the capital. These aren't terrorists, these are people concerned with losing their rights which is a completely human and normal reaction. If you want proof look at the thousands of examples throughout history of similar events, especially in the former Soviet Union.

A democracy is supposed to work for all of it's citizens, something the left hasn't been doing.

"One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist" -Ronald Reagan


Ironically Ronald Reagan was a terrorist himself who actively supported terrorists across the world.
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