U.S. troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan by summer

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Arms manufacturers made good money and Americans labeled a new race as their worst enemy

Plus we pissed away trillions of dollars, caused hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and helped flush the global economy down the shitter by trying to pay for two wars on credit because taxes bad. Mission accomplished indeed.

Perhaps. But the original goals of going in were to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice and strip Al Qaeda of its safe haven from which to plan and coordinate similar attacks, so I would say mission accomplished on that front. National security has been restored. No sense in sticking around in a place we're not wanted over some Idealistic crusade to make them more like us.

The main perpetrator of 9/11 languishes in durance vile in Gitmo without charges or trial. That's not so much justice, more a standing shame against the nation. bin Laden? W and his gang of war criminals left that to the Obama Administration after failing to close the deal at Tora Bora, choosing to invade a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 instead, destabilizing it to the point where it still might be lost to al Qaeda or something like it and bleeding the US military along with its national prestige dry, to the point where it is forced to abandon the Kabul regime to its fate. Another few "victories" like that and the US will be on its knees.

"If we win another such battle against the Romans, we will be completely lost."

-Pyrrhus

[Aeritai]

Our men and women will finally come home to their families. The war in Afghanistan should've ended as soon as we killed Bin Laden, the victims of 9/11 have been avenged.

Not only did we defeat Al-Quaeda (but giving it a massive, more powerful offshoot in the process), we attacked 3 unrelated countries in retaliation while continuing to fund Saudi Arabia, the only country with legitimate ties! Our job here is done.

Bin Laden: dead
Middle East: further destabilized
Hospitals: bombed
Innocents: Massacred (in a greater scale than 9/11, we're more than avenged)

Yup. It's America time! No need to thank us, our work here is done.

...or is it? Stay tuned for more!

I didn't say the invasion of Afghanistan was perfect... It was a horrible war and we should've pulled out as soon as Bin Laden died.

[Nakena]

Not only did we defeat Al-Quaeda (but giving it a massive, more powerful offshoot in the process), we attacked 3 unrelated countries in retaliation while continuing to fund Saudi Arabia, the only country with legitimate ties! Our job here is done.

Bin Laden: dead
Middle East: further destabilized
Hospitals: bombed
Innocents: Massacred (in a greater scale than 9/11, we're more than avenged)

Yup. It's America time! No need to thank us, our work here is done.

...or is it? Stay tuned for more!

I didn't say the invasion of Afghanistan was perfect... It was a horrible war and we should've pulled out as soon as Bin Laden died.

It would have been probably the best move in a hindsight.

[Insaanistan]

I doubt he will succeed this one time, even though he has succeeded a lot, tbh. Just like all other attempts, Democrat or Republican, to pull troops out of that godforsaken anarchical nation

If it's even a nation at this point...

It most certainly is.

We are Ariana: The land of the noble.

[Christian Confederation]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need.Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

Instead, NATO can fulfill its conditions and sell weapons only to its allies. Arming a race is the same as throwing coal into war. The US government must withdraw from the Middle East completely. should not invest American citizens' money in war and blood.Are you aware of the US government's military spending ? There are hungry and thirsty people in Africa

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

That is ridiculous. 'We don't want to get our hands dirty so we'll let the Kurds do it,' Protecting Israel? Other nations need to be protected FROM Israel!

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

That is ridiculous. 'We don't want to get our hands dirty so we'll let the Kurds do it,' Protecting Israel? Other nations need to be protected FROM Israel!

I can say that the men of the American government were dirty, they never hesitated about what they did. I think other nations should follow the example of Israel because the state of Israel is an example of the contemporary states of the region. Instead of being protected from Israel, we should take as an example what Israel has done. I wonder how many scientific theses the Arab world prepares annually.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Not only did we defeat Al-Quaeda (but giving it a massive, more powerful offshoot in the process), we attacked 3 unrelated countries in retaliation while continuing to fund Saudi Arabia, the only country with legitimate ties! Our job here is done.

Bin Laden: dead
Middle East: further destabilized
Hospitals: bombed
Innocents: Massacred (in a greater scale than 9/11, we're more than avenged)

Yup. It's America time! No need to thank us, our work here is done.

...or is it? Stay tuned for more!

I didn't say the invasion of Afghanistan was perfect... It was a horrible war and we should've pulled out as soon as Bin Laden died.

I wish Afghanistan was the only country I was talking about

[Dayganistan]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

Yes, leave and just contribute to further instability by supporting the two groups literally nobody in the middle east likes. Also alienate a NATO member in the middle east and play right into Putin's hand when we should be working to try to bring Turkey back on side.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

That is ridiculous. 'We don't want to get our hands dirty so we'll let the Kurds do it,' Protecting Israel? Other nations need to be protected FROM Israel!

I can say that the men of the American government were dirty, they never hesitated about what they did. I think other nations should follow the example of Israel because the state of Israel is an example of the contemporary states of the region. Instead of being protected from Israel, we should take as an example what Israel has done. I wonder how many scientific theses the Arab world prepares annually.

Tell that to the South Lebanese. I'm sure they would appreciate Israel's science; just apartheid to pay for it! What could go wrong?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

You know we aren't gonna be leaving the middle east if we keep caping for Israel. Leaving means leaving, which means Israel can fight its wars for itself.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

You know we aren't gonna be leaving the middle east if we keep caping for Israel. Leaving means leaving, which means Israel can fight its wars for itself.

Israel already does. The myth that the US somehow "helped" Israel in its wars (either as a co-belligerent or through intervention on its behalf) really are just that, of the 17 "major" iterations of the Arab-Israeli conflict, you guys have helped them only in the Yom Kippur War. You sell them weapons... sometimes. which is a transaction that benefits you both. The US intervention in Iraq and in Afghanistan, and later in the ISIS crisis, had nothing to do with your supposed alliance with the State of Israel.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

You know we aren't gonna be leaving the middle east if we keep caping for Israel. Leaving means leaving, which means Israel can fight its wars for itself.

Israel already does. The myth that the US somehow "helped" Israel in its wars (either as a co-belligerent or through intervention on its behalf) really are just that, of the 17 "major" iterations of the Arab-Israeli conflict, you guys have helped them only in the Yom Kippur War. You sell them weapons... sometimes. which is a transaction that benefits you both. The US intervention in Iraq and in Afghanistan, and later in the ISIS crisis, had nothing to do with your supposed alliance with the State of Israel.

The US willingly donates 3 billion in 'aid' to the Israeli military per year. That is a large fraction (I think 20%) of their spending. That is also more than the whole African continent combined.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Israel already does. The myth that the US somehow "helped" Israel in its wars (either as a co-belligerent or through intervention on its behalf) really are just that, of the 17 "major" iterations of the Arab-Israeli conflict, you guys have helped them only in the Yom Kippur War. You sell them weapons... sometimes. which is a transaction that benefits you both. The US intervention in Iraq and in Afghanistan, and later in the ISIS crisis, had nothing to do with your supposed alliance with the State of Israel.

The US willingly donates 3 billion in 'aid' to the Israeli military per year. That is a large fraction (I think 20%) of their spending. That is also more than the whole African continent combined.

Israel spends ~$19-20 billion yearly. The actual benefit from the US aid is 1- in what the US provides in its military aid and 2- the Political aid, not the sum it gives to Israel. And considering Israel's rivals (especially now) in the region are nearly consistently strategic thorns in the US's side (I wouldn't call Hezbollah or Hamas, or even Assad and the IR, powerful enough to be actual threats to the US, but they're opposite sides nonetheless), that is even less valid. Regardless, the US isn't "caping" for Israel, which is the point I responded to, not whether the US has a military alliance with Israel at all.

[Thermodolia]

President Joe Biden will be pulling all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan at the end of the summer by September 11th, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that started this war. I did not expect this coming. It feels kinda weird for many of us here growing up hearing, reading and discussing the war...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56737563

Your thoughts NSG?

I’ll believe it when I see it

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The US willingly donates 3 billion in 'aid' to the Israeli military per year. That is a large fraction (I think 20%) of their spending. That is also more than the whole African continent combined.

Israel spends ~$19-20 billion yearly. The actual benefit from the US aid is 1- in what the US provides in its military aid and 2- the Political aid, not the sum it gives to Israel. And considering Israel's rivals (especially now) in the region are nearly consistently strategic thorns in the US's side (I wouldn't call Hezbollah or Hamas, or even Assad and the IR, powerful enough to be actual threats to the US, but they're opposite sides nonetheless), that is even less valid. Regardless, the US isn't "caping" for Israel, which is the point I responded to, not whether the US has a military alliance with Israel at all.

They shouldn't assist Israel in the first place: they haven't ratified the NPT.

[Nakena]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need.

Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

Pick one.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Israel spends ~$19-20 billion yearly. The actual benefit from the US aid is 1- in what the US provides in its military aid and 2- the Political aid, not the sum it gives to Israel. And considering Israel's rivals (especially now) in the region are nearly consistently strategic thorns in the US's side (I wouldn't call Hezbollah or Hamas, or even Assad and the IR, powerful enough to be actual threats to the US, but they're opposite sides nonetheless), that is even less valid. Regardless, the US isn't "caping" for Israel, which is the point I responded to, not whether the US has a military alliance with Israel at all.

They shouldn't assist Israel in the first place: they haven't ratified the NPT.

That's your opinion, it is wrong and it is irrelevant to the matter at hand (which is whether or not the US is "Caping" for Israel, which it evidently isn't).

[Insaanistan]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need.

Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

Pick one.

He probably doesn’t want US troops to be over there protecting the Ayrabs and instead prefers an all out defense of the so called paragon of peace and justice: Israel.

[Kowani]

The Taliban is unhappy

The Taliban also called for the US to abide by the Doha agreement.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan seeks the withdrawal of all foreign forces on the date specified in the Doha agreement," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said on Twitter. "If the agreement is breached and foreign forces fail to exit on the specified date, problems will certainly be compounded and those who failed to comply with the agreement will be held responsible."

[Insaanistan]

The Taliban is unhappy

The Taliban also called for the US to abide by the Doha agreement.

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan seeks the withdrawal of all foreign forces on the date specified in the Doha agreement," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said on Twitter. "If the agreement is breached and foreign forces fail to exit on the specified date, problems will certainly be compounded and those who failed to comply with the agreement will be held responsible."

This is how you can tell they named themselves.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Complete withdrawal from the middle east is what we need. Arm the Kurds and other pro democracy groups on our out. Return to protecting Israel and our ships/planes in the area.

Yes, leave and just contribute to further instability by supporting the two groups literally nobody in the middle east likes. Also alienate a NATO member in the middle east and play right into Putin's hand when we should be working to try to bring Turkey back on side.

They should abandon this policy not because the Turkish government does not want it, but because it is wrong to arm an ethnic group. But do they really think of humanity ?

[Kyria]

I’ll believe it when it happens. Regardless though, it’s unfortunate the Taliban were not wiped from existence. The people of Afghanistan will once again be put under the Talibani boot, it’s inevitable and the civilised world must unfortunately accept that.

[Insaanistan]

Imagine if the US funded the Northern Alliance instead of the Taliban.