Iran Says Israel Behind Explosion at Nuclear Site

[Fahran]

I know Arabs who lived in Iran and love it.

Strange. I never knew the plural of "anecdote" was "data" or "policies." I'm certain I can uncover a good number of Arab Israelis who enjoy living in Israel. That has no bearing on whether Iran and Israel are committing apartheid.

Also, 2 million Palestinians are in an open air prison and a further 3 million trapped between the PA and Israel, both with Israel dominating everything about their lives but not allowed to vote, or flee to Israel (at least in the case of the ones in Gaza). How's that not Apartheid?

Israel withdrew from Gaza and allowed the Palestinians there to hold elections. They voted for Hamas, who then purged the political opposition and established what amounts to an Islamist oligarchy. I don't think you can really blame Israel for the Palestinians not having a representative or democratic government when the Palestinians did that to themselves. It'd be like blaming America for the Dictadura in Mexico.

And Gaza is embroiled in a state of low-intensity war against its neighbors that prompted both Egypt and Israel to impose blockades on them. I have no idea why anyone would expect a country to accept a massive migration from a inhabitants of a neighbor that regularly sends explosive devices over the border to such an extent that the majority of Israelis nearby have PTSD except perhaps that the person in question isn't operating reasonably or in good faith.

While we're talking about the Palestinians, should we broach the topic of the hundreds of thousands of Sephardim and Mizrachim, often from older communities, who were ethnically cleansed?

[Fahran]

1. You're not really giving much proof for racism.

Is Amnesty International not a reliable source in your mind?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

1. You're not really giving much proof for racism.

Is Amnesty International not a reliable source in your mind?

It also says that Israel's committing apartheid against the Palestinians.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I know Arabs who lived in Iran and love it.

Strange. I never knew the plural of "anecdote" was "data" or "policies." I'm certain I can uncover a good number of Arab Israelis who enjoy living in Israel. That has no bearing on whether Iran and Israel are committing apartheid.

Also, 2 million Palestinians are in an open air prison and a further 3 million trapped between the PA and Israel, both with Israel dominating everything about their lives but not allowed to vote, or flee to Israel (at least in the case of the ones in Gaza). How's that not Apartheid?

Israel withdrew from Gaza and allowed the Palestinians there to hold elections. They voted for Hamas, who then purged the political opposition and established what amounts to an Islamist oligarchy. I don't think you can really blame Israel for the Palestinians not having a representative or democratic government when the Palestinians did that to themselves. It'd be like blaming America for the Dictadura in Mexico.

And Gaza is embroiled in a state of low-intensity war against its neighbors that prompted both Egypt and Israel to impose blockades on them. I have no idea why anyone would expect a country to accept a massive migration from a inhabitants of a neighbor that regularly sends explosive devices over the border to such an extent that the majority of Israelis nearby have PTSD except perhaps that the person in question isn't operating reasonably or in good faith.

While we're talking about the Palestinians, should we broach the topic of the hundreds of thousands of Sephardim and Mizrachim, often from older communities, who were ethnically cleansed?

Amnesty International says Iran is committing apartheid?

Gaza; they elect Hamas because of their hospital program. Hamas attacks Israel; rather understandable, but they had to do it against civilians. Of course. So Israel and Egypt try to blockade them very hard but just not enough to starve them. They also make airstrikes on them (basically the equivalent of locking someone in a room, crying LOOK OUT and throwing a bomb from the window).
Tell me more about the Sephardim and the Mizrachim.

[Fahran]

It also says that Israel's committing apartheid against the Palestinians.

I'm aware. I never actually denied that claim. My intention was more to point out that the definition of apartheid employed to accuse Israel of apartheid, by necessity, would lead to the same accusation being levelled against Iran. Which dispels your earlier argument about the relevance of Israel being an apartheid state as having any bearing whatsoever on Iranian policy given that Iran engages in apartheid against the same ethnic group.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

It also says that Israel's committing apartheid against the Palestinians.

I'm aware. I never actually denied that claim. My intention was more to point out that the definition of apartheid employed to accuse Israel of apartheid, by necessity, would lead to the same accusation being levelled against Iran. Which dispels your earlier argument about the relevance of Israel being an apartheid state as having any bearing whatsoever on Iranian policy given that Iran engages in apartheid against the same ethnic group.

Actually, I see no discriminatory laws so far, and Ali Khamenei is actually descended from Azeri Turks, an ethnic minority.

[Fahran]

Amnesty International says Iran is committing apartheid?

The article I posted suggests as much. They're not using the word apartheid, but I think not having equitable access to employment, housing, social services, electoral representation, or travel across borders would constitute apartheid. In some instances, Iranian treatment of Arabs is arguably even worse than Israeli treatment of Israeli Arabs. They've persecuted people for expressing their culture. Iran doesn't even have the excuse that Israel does when it comes to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Gaza; they elect Hamas because of their hospital program. Hamas attacks Israel; rather understandable, but they had to do it against civilians. Of course. So Israel and Egypt try to blockade them very hard but just not enough to starve them. They also make airstrikes on them (basically the equivalent of locking someone in a room, crying LOOK OUT and throwing a bomb from the window).

So Palestinian factions have stripped Gaza of democratic rights and the blockades were in response to repeated acts of war?

Tell me more about the Sephardim and the Mizrachim.

Hundreds of thousands of us were ethnically cleansed from our traditional homes in North Africa and the Middle East, with all property being confiscated. This policy, pursued in the aftermath of 1948, likely had the effect of more than doubling Israel's population in the long-term. Gaddafi eventually offered to repatriate the Sephardim, but part of the problem is that reversing earlier population exchanges will have a tendency to empower Arabs while disempowering Jews. And Jews have absolutely no reason to trust Arab governments that can't even treat Berbers and Kurds right at the moment.

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[Fahran]

Actually, I see no discriminatory laws so far, and Ali Khamenei is actually descended from Azeri Turks, an ethnic minority.

Most assimilated Iranians are descended from ethnic minorities to some degree, especially Turkic minorities. That has no bearing on whether discrimination against ethnic minorities is present in a country. Stalin was an Ossetian from Georgia. He still managed to persecute Georgian literary figures. And none of this strikes you as discriminatory?

Ethnic minorities, including Ahwazi Arabs, Azerbaijani Turks, Baluchis, Kurds and Turkmen faced entrenched discrimination, curtailing their access to education, employment, adequate housing and political office. Continued under-investment in minority-populated regions exacerbated poverty and marginalization. Despite repeated calls for linguistic diversity, Persian remained the sole language of instruction in primary and secondary education.

Members of minorities who spoke out against violations or demanded a degree of regional self-government were subjected to arbitrary detention, torture and other ill-treatment. The authorities criminalized peaceful advocacy of separatism or federalism and accused minority rights activists of threatening Iran’s territorial integrity.

Several Azerbaijani Turkic activists were sentenced to imprisonment and flogging in connection with the November 2019 protests and peaceful activism on behalf of the Azerbaijani Turkic minority, and two had their flogging sentences carried out.

Ahwazi Arabs reported that the authorities restricted expressions of Arab culture, including dress and poetry.

Iran's border guards continued to unlawfully shoot scores of unarmed Kurdish kulbars who work, under cruel and inhumane conditions, as cross-border porters between the Kurdistan regions of Iran and Iraq, killing at least 40 men and injuring dozens of others, according to Kurdish human rights organizations.

Many Baluchi villagers in the impoverished province of Sistan and Baluchestan were denied their right to sufficient, physically accessible and safe water due to particularly poor infrastructure. They were forced to rely on unsafe sources of water such as rivers, wells, ponds and water pits inhabited by crocodiles for drinking and domestic use. Several people, including children, drowned while fetching water, including an eight-year-old girl from Jakigoor village where the water supply was cut for a week in August. Some local officials blamed victims for failing to take precautions. Many residents in the province also experienced poor access to electricity, schools and health facilities due to under-investment.

[Dowaesk]

Aaaand how is this important? It doesn't change that this policy is ridiculous. 'I'm stronger than you so I'll beat you up for no reason,' is NOT good.

It is good, because it is nonetheless what best reflects reality and logic in terms of decision making.

Seriously bruh??
What if you were on the receiving end of it?

[Insaanistan]

Amnesty International says Iran is committing apartheid?

The article I posted suggests as much. They're not using the word apartheid, but I think not having equitable access to employment, housing, social services, electoral representation, or travel across borders would constitute apartheid. In some instances, Iranian treatment of Arabs is arguably even worse than Israeli treatment of Israeli Arabs. They've persecuted people for expressing their culture. Iran doesn't even have the excuse that Israel does when it comes to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Gaza; they elect Hamas because of their hospital program. Hamas attacks Israel; rather understandable, but they had to do it against civilians. Of course. So Israel and Egypt try to blockade them very hard but just not enough to starve them. They also make airstrikes on them (basically the equivalent of locking someone in a room, crying LOOK OUT and throwing a bomb from the window).

So Palestinian factions have stripped Gaza of democratic rights and the blockades were in response to repeated acts of war?

Tell me more about the Sephardim and the Mizrachim.

Hundreds of thousands of us were ethnically cleansed from our traditional homes in North Africa and the Middle East, with all property being confiscated. This policy, pursued in the aftermath of 1948, likely had the effect of more than doubling Israel's population in the long-term. Gaddafi eventually offered to repatriate the Sephardim, but part of the problem is that reversing earlier population exchanges will have a tendency to empower Arabs while disempowering Jews. And Jews have absolutely no reason to trust Arab governments that can't even treat Berbers and Kurds right at the moment.

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The removal of Middle Eastern Jews was terrible, but note much of it was unfortunately as backlash against the situation in Palestine. Certainly, it was unjustified either way.

[Nolo gap]

whatever is between two other nations, the rest of us don't need to re-enact world war one!
continue resumption of peaceful negotiations to the fullest extent reasonable.

[Fahran]

The removal of Middle Eastern Jews was terrible, but note much of it was unfortunately as backlash against the situation in Palestine. Certainly, it was unjustified either way.

That's definitely a valid point.

[Fahran]

whatever is between two other nations, the rest of us don't need to re-enact world war one!
continue resumption of peaceful negotiations to the fullest extent reasonable.

In the absence of interference, I imagine Palestine would accept peace terms or be completely destroyed. Of course, the problem with expecting everyone to remain neutral is that Palestinian refugees have spilled into Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and else-where while the Jewish diaspora is present in numerous countries as well. This means that concrete geopolitical interests and actual people tie us to the situation in the Levant. We could all remain neutral, but it's still going to effect us in some way.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I know Arabs who lived in Iran and love it.

Strange. I never knew the plural of "anecdote" was "data" or "policies." I'm certain I can uncover a good number of Arab Israelis who enjoy living in Israel. That has no bearing on whether Iran and Israel are committing apartheid.

Also, 2 million Palestinians are in an open air prison and a further 3 million trapped between the PA and Israel, both with Israel dominating everything about their lives but not allowed to vote, or flee to Israel (at least in the case of the ones in Gaza). How's that not Apartheid?

Israel withdrew from Gaza and allowed the Palestinians there to hold elections. They voted for Hamas, who then purged the political opposition and established what amounts to an Islamist oligarchy. I don't think you can really blame Israel for the Palestinians not having a representative or democratic government when the Palestinians did that to themselves. It'd be like blaming America for the Dictadura in Mexico.

And Gaza is embroiled in a state of low-intensity war against its neighbors that prompted both Egypt and Israel to impose blockades on them. I have no idea why anyone would expect a country to accept a massive migration from a inhabitants of a neighbor that regularly sends explosive devices over the border to such an extent that the majority of Israelis nearby have PTSD except perhaps that the person in question isn't operating reasonably or in good faith.

While we're talking about the Palestinians, should we broach the topic of the hundreds of thousands of Sephardim and Mizrachim, often from older communities, who were ethnically cleansed?

Two wrongs don't make a right, and I think few people support what happened to the Sephardi. The difference is when the Palestinians do something wrong, the United States government doesn't cape for them.

[Fahran]

Two wrongs don't make a right, and I think few people support what happened to the Sephardi. The difference is when the Palestinians do something wrong, the United States government doesn't cape for them.

My point was more so about the notion that Iran objects to Israel's policies on moral grounds, which is one that was raised a bit earlier. I find the notion silly because Iran persecutes Arabs arguably as much as Israel does internally, without the excuses that Israel uses when it comes to how it handles Gaza and the West Bank. Arab nationalists in Khuzestan are nowhere near as organized or militant as those in Gaza at the moment, and yet the Iranian police are on patrol for people reading poetry in Arabic or wearing traditional Arab clothing.

As for the Sephardi issue, that serves to elucidate why a reversal of population transfers would not create an equitable solution to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. It would simply result in Palestine becoming an Arab-majority state and Jews returning to minority status everywhere in the Arab world. This means that a resumption of Antisemitic policies, or the continuation of the ones that already exist, would severely damage Jewish rights with no recourse whatsoever. Ergo a lot of what has been demanded of Israel and MENA Jewish communities simply isn't equitable or just.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

As we showed in 1923, we will show the truth in 2021,Ayasofya will be a museum again. you too will learn to leave Israeli and Iranian people alone. Israeli and Iranian conspiracy theories are economies with a purely religious character.

Ataturk was not a hero whatsoever. If he were anything, he would have been the opposite. Erdogan did the right thing. Israel announced Jerusalem as its capital, depriving Palestinians of their rights. I didnt hear u. Yet when Erdogan turned Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Its like he set the world on fire.

As we showed in 1923, we will show the truth in 2021,Ayasofya will be a museum again. you too will learn to leave Israeli and Iranian people alone. Israeli and Iranian conspiracy theories are economies with a purely religious character.

I dont get that part. I seriously dont get it.
Strangely enough. You never answer what I actually say instead you bring up something else. Now how did you bring Hagia Sophia into this? And previously you brought up Alevism.

Are political Islamists heroes for you? so Islamists cannot succeed because they are against everything modern. How many days did the Six Day War last? That's why the only real book you have to hug is the one shown by science. Israel's foreign policy may be wrong, but it is the Islamic world that fuels this policy.

[Dowaesk]

Ataturk was not a hero whatsoever. If he were anything, he would have been the opposite. Erdogan did the right thing. Israel announced Jerusalem as its capital, depriving Palestinians of their rights. I didnt hear u. Yet when Erdogan turned Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Its like he set the world on fire.


I dont get that part. I seriously dont get it.
Strangely enough. You never answer what I actually say instead you bring up something else. Now how did you bring Hagia Sophia into this? And previously you brought up Alevism.

Are political Islamists heroes for you? so Islamists cannot succeed because they are against everything modern. How many days did the Six Day War last? That's why the only real book you have to hug is the one shown by science. Israel's foreign policy may be wrong, but it is the Islamic world that fuels this policy.

Maybe all political islamists may not be heroes for me. But guys like Erdogan and Sadiq Khan remain as great leaders in my view. And historical figures such as Saladdin was a hero. Mehmed II was a hero. Tariq bin Ziyad was a hero. And a personal favourite, Mohamed Thakurufaanu was a hero. The list goes on. Then theres Ataturk. Oh boy, what a great guy. He banned the hijab and prosecuted those who practiced their faith in public. I do realise that everyone has flaws. Even Saladdin had flaws. So let's leave it at that.
Then as for the hugging science books. Dont worry about my studies. I still have a few minutes before exam.

[Dowaesk]

Ataturk was not a hero whatsoever. If he were anything, he would have been the opposite. Erdogan did the right thing. Israel announced Jerusalem as its capital, depriving Palestinians of their rights. I didnt hear u. Yet when Erdogan turned Hagia Sophia into a mosque. Its like he set the world on fire.


I dont get that part. I seriously dont get it.
Strangely enough. You never answer what I actually say instead you bring up something else. Now how did you bring Hagia Sophia into this? And previously you brought up Alevism.

Are political Islamists heroes for you? so Islamists cannot succeed because they are against everything modern. How many days did the Six Day War last? That's why the only real book you have to hug is the one shown by science. Israel's foreign policy may be wrong, but it is the Islamic world that fuels this policy.

Exactly. Which is why I say Brenton Tarrant was a hero. Have you read his manifesto? I have. Its sooooo inspiring and so true. His motives were fueled by the Islamic world, hence it can be justified.

*pls turn on your sarcasm detectors. I am here.
*intense sarcasm intended*

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Are political Islamists heroes for you? so Islamists cannot succeed because they are against everything modern. How many days did the Six Day War last? That's why the only real book you have to hug is the one shown by science. Israel's foreign policy may be wrong, but it is the Islamic world that fuels this policy.

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Exactly. Which is why I say Brenton Tarrant was a hero. Have you read his manifesto? I have. Its sooooo inspiring and so true. His motives were fueled by the Islamic world, hence it can be justified.

*pls turn on your sarcasm detectors. I am here.
*intense sarcasm intended*

Politically religious people may have different religions, but their mentality is the same.The soldiers of the secular front will continue to exist against people like Brenton Tarrant and Derviş Mehmet.The ideology of politically religious people in West Asia will remain in the dusty pages of history.

[Dowaesk]

Exactly. Which is why I say Brenton Tarrant was a hero. Have you read his manifesto? I have. Its sooooo inspiring and so true. His motives were fueled by the Islamic world, hence it can be justified.

*pls turn on your sarcasm detectors. I am here.
*intense sarcasm intended*

Politically religious people may have different religions, but their mentality is the same.The soldiers of the secular front will continue to exist against people like Brenton Tarrant and Derviş Mehmet.The ideology of politically religious people in West Asia will remain in the dusty pages of history.

Who is Dervis Mehmet?

[Insaanistan]

Iran Names Suspect in Connection With Attack

[Thermodolia]

Israel being allowed to do what it wants, with no repercussions from anyone?

I wonder why that is.

Because they have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are pretty much the get out of jail free card. It’s basically a way for nations to do whatever they want without fear of reprisals because they have nukes

[Thermodolia]

Because they have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are pretty much the get out of jail free card. It’s basically a way for nations to do whatever they want without fear of reprisals because they have nukes

AIPAC, the ADL, etc have nothing to do it with either, I assume? There's also the fact that 40% of Biden's cabinet is Jewish lol.

Not really no. Actually Japan and Korea hold more sway over the federal government than Israel does. Both of those nations pour more into lobbying the US government than Israel does at all.

Biden’s cabinet has nothing to do with this as Israel has been doing this for decades.