Riots in Belfast following recent border protocols

[Risottia]

I don't see why a border would be necessary between GB and NI. A border doesn't exist between England and Scotland or England and Wales (afaik), so why should one exist between GB and NI?

Because GB did not want a hard border between NI and RoI, but did not want EU, nor EFTA, nor EEA, but wanted trade benefits as if it were in the EEA.

[The Huskar Social Union]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

Reminder that the British Security Forces killed more civilians than paramilitary members during The Troubles.

Literally not true.

Loyalist paramilitaries killed 878 civilians (85.5% of their total death toll), Republican Paramilitaries killed 721 civilians (35.1% of their total death toll) and British Security Forces killed 186 civilians (51.2% of their total death toll) as per Malcolm Suttons Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

You can get the tables from the CAIN website and wikipedia

[Vassenor]

Reminder that the British Security Forces killed more civilians than paramilitary members during The Troubles.

Literally not true.

Loyalist paramilitaries killed 878 civilians (85.5% of their total death toll), Republican Paramilitaries killed 721 civilians (35.1% of their total death toll) and British Security Forces killed 186 civilians (51.2% of their total death toll) as per Malcolm Suttons Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

You can get the tables from the CAIN website and wikipedia

And I was referring specifically to casualties inflicted by the British in order to explain why sending them back in was not going to go the way the poster thought.

[Pasong Tirad]

An interesting line of attack. How have Sinn Fein or the other Nationalists responded? How did they react to the riots in the first place? How have the Other parties like Alliance reacted to the riots.

Nationalists, including both Sinn Fein and the SDLP have condemned the riots and told Nationalists not to respond to the violence in kind. Some Nationalist youths have retaliated in some places such as the Springfield road which has led to some confrontations with the PSNI but no where near the scale as Loyalists in recent days.

In regards to Foster she has been condemned by basically nearly everyone for the bullshit she said.

Good to hear the hatred for the DUP's actions have been universal.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Literally not true.

Loyalist paramilitaries killed 878 civilians (85.5% of their total death toll), Republican Paramilitaries killed 721 civilians (35.1% of their total death toll) and British Security Forces killed 186 civilians (51.2% of their total death toll) as per Malcolm Suttons Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland

You can get the tables from the CAIN website and wikipedia

And I was referring specifically to casualties inflicted by the British in order to explain why sending them back in was not going to go the way the poster thought.

Ah i read your comment wrong, i thought you were saying they killed more civilians than paramilitaries did.

[Heloin]

Loyalist teenagers firebombing a bus.
NSG: "Is this the British Army battling the IRA?"

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Loyalist teenagers firebombing a bus.
NSG: "Is this the British Army battling the IRA?"

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

NI was a happy dappy funland till one day for no reason the IRA began blowing things up and the brave army had to go stop them.

Thats literally what some of the dumbest takes ive ever seen online regarding the troubles amount to. Its alarmingly frequent.

[Insaanistan]

Loyalist teenagers firebombing a bus.
NSG: "Is this the British Army battling the IRA?"

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

What?

[Genivaria]

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

NI was a happy dappy funland till one day for no reason the IRA began blowing things up and the brave army had to go stop them.

Thats literally what some of the dumbest takes ive ever seen online regarding the troubles amount to. Its alarmingly frequent.

Dirty Republicans are rebels and traitors who hate us for being English and hate our freedoms....or something

[The Huskar Social Union]

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

What?

A lot of people willingly ignore that Loyalist Paramilitaries were responsible for numerous deaths and violence all across Northern Ireland for decades, as well as ignore the reality of what Northern Ireland was like for Irish Catholics throughout most of its existence so they can boil it down to a simple army vs ira war.

[Insaanistan]

What?

A lot of people willingly ignore that Loyalist Paramilitaries were responsible for numerous deaths and violence all across Northern Ireland for decades, as well as ignore the reality of what Northern Ireland was like for Irish Catholics throughout most of its existence so they can boil it down to a simple army vs ira war.

Oooooohhh.
Yeah, that is most definitely true.

[Heloin]

What?

A lot of people willingly ignore that Loyalist Paramilitaries were responsible for numerous deaths and violence all across Northern Ireland for decades, as well as ignore the reality of what Northern Ireland was like for Irish Catholics throughout most of its existence so they can boil it down to a simple army vs ira war.

I will admit the plucky rebels righting the evil empire or the beleaguered peace keepers defending against the dastardly terrorists are both much more fun story. Doesn't fit in well with the reality of extrajudicial killings, police brutality, bombings, and sectarian violence.

[Ifreann]

Loyalist teenagers firebombing a bus.
NSG: "Is this the British Army battling the IRA?"

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

[The Huskar Social Union]

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

Lmao remember that fella in one of the American politics threads who tried to compare Antifa to the fucking IRA.

[Heloin]

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

you just made my fucking day

[Washington Resistance Army]

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

Lmao remember that fella in one of the American politics threads who tried to compare Antifa to the fucking IRA.

I remember the time Antifa launched a mortar attack on the White House demanding the US leave California, good times those were.

[Velosia]

Isn't the party of 'Northumbria' just a scam? A party of that over-promises their 'reforms' and delivers their selling pitch to generate revenue... and rile the youth to someplace ...

All I know is some person on here posts about Northumbria independence at least 4 times a year and replies to every single comment to keep the discussion going despite 99% of people agreeing it won't be a thing.

Well, I know it's some time ago, but the North East was actually offered limited devolution back in 2004 but it was overwhelming rejected. It would seem that most people either thought it wasn't worth taking seriously or were perfectly content with the status quo, considering the turnout was below 50%.

[Ifreann]

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

Lmao remember that fella in one of the American politics threads who tried to compare Antifa to the fucking IRA.

The 'RA and their secret caches of bike locks.

[Christian Confederation]

Lmao remember that fella in one of the American politics threads who tried to compare Antifa to the fucking IRA.

The 'RA and their secret caches of bike locks.

Me and the boys about to firebomb an ice facility because screw Borders or something idk.

Do I go ahead and mark Irish independence on my 2021 bingo card or should I wait?

[Vassenor]

There's an odd willingness to ignore Loyalist violence and even the realities of Northern Ireland to create an imagined Provo vs Brit battle with clear cut sides to root for.

Few things were as funny as Andy Ngo tweeting about the riots and his American fans trying to understand the conflict as somehow involving antifa.

Antifa attacking the police for not being fascist enough and Catholicism being something the modern left invented to spread division.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The 'RA and their secret caches of bike locks.

Me and the boys about to firebomb an ice facility because screw Borders or something idk.

Do I go ahead and mark Irish independence on my 2021 bingo card or should I wait?

A 32 county republic would make 2021 the best year tbh

[The Huskar Social Union]

A border poll shouldn't happen till multiple years of discussion and planning on how a United Ireland would look like has been done. Then said proposal can be used as the basis for that border poll so voters both north and south can see what would change. I do not want a repeat of brexit when it comes to Unification. It would be a disaster.

[Christian Confederation]

A border poll shouldn't happen till multiple years of discussion and planning on how a United Ireland would look like has been done. Then said proposal can be used as the basis for that border poll so voters both north and south can see what would change. I do not want a repeat of brexit when it comes to Unification. It would be a disaster.

We could just Reunite and let the loyalists stay and become Irish or go to Britain

[Bananaistan]

A border poll shouldn't happen till multiple years of discussion and planning on how a United Ireland would look like has been done. Then said proposal can be used as the basis for that border poll so voters both north and south can see what would change. I do not want a repeat of brexit when it comes to Unification. It would be a disaster.

I understand why a lot of people say this but I think it boils down to a continuation of the unionist veto. More or less all unionist politicians publicly refuse to countenance any discussion of a United Ireland, what it should be like, what their role in it would be etc.

The GFA is clear that the Secretary of State must call the referendum when they think it can win. The southern politicians are trying their best to move the goalposts now because they know it's a reality in the near future and are desperate to postpone the day that an additional 1.25 million voters completely topple their cosy establishment cartel. And by all this talk of an agreed Ireland and so on, they're giving succour to unionists to continue stonewalling the whole thing.

Ofc all this highlights how much a shame Brexit is. Literally nobody would give a border poll a snowball's chance in hell of passing were both countries still in the EU.

[The Huskar Social Union]

A border poll shouldn't happen till multiple years of discussion and planning on how a United Ireland would look like has been done. Then said proposal can be used as the basis for that border poll so voters both north and south can see what would change. I do not want a repeat of brexit when it comes to Unification. It would be a disaster.

We could just Reunite and let the loyalists stay and become Irish or go to Britain

Or they could stay British whilst living in a UI, like the GFA lets me be Irish whilst in the UK. Im not really a fan of the notion of just telling Unionists to pack up and leave.