Riots in Belfast following recent border protocols

[Arisyan]

Yay! Maybe make them a little less violent, but I really hope we can see a United Ireland soon.

Edit": Misread the situation, turns out it's the unionists protesting. How strange. Well, don't really support the protests anymore, but I have a sickening feeling this could start a mini-"civil war" between nationalists and unionists. Or it'll just blow over. Time will tell.

Edit Number 2: Oh dear. This post is a mess. Sorry about that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes its been getting talked about a lot in the UK politics thread ever since it started.

What are you guys’ feelings about a thread like this one dedicated to the riots and growing political instability in Northern Ireland? The issues may unfold within the boundaries of the United Kingdom, but the social and political implications of these developments may have lasting impacts on the Republic of Ireland, the EU, and the millions of people living within it.

Now, I feel no shame in admitting that I was less informed when I started this thread, and that I’ve learnt a relatively considerable amount about the current political situation in Ulster, in part due to the invaluable contributions of ordinary people from Ulster, who have made their voices heard on different media. Though I could only speak for myself in this particular situation, I would say that having these kinds of particular threads is generally preferable to opting for an all-encompassing political thread. I think I subconsciously separated Northern Ireland from UK politics, because the constituent country usually plays a fairly small role within that union, being demoted to what I could only describe to be the playing ball of the influential English politicians in Westminster.

Aside from a handful of voices, most people seem to be more interested in English politics, as that nation is generally regarded as more relevant due to its high population, large economy and historical role in UK politics. This can, in some part, be seen not only in the UK Politics thread, but also in the BBC, whose arguably misleading articles portray the riots in Belfast as a result of Bojo’s border and the EU, whereas there are quite clearly internal societal problems within Northern Ireland that play a massive role as well, societal problems that the BBC has chosen to ignore, if not categorically, then partially.

As of now, I have chosen not to alter this thread in any capacity, as my introductory post serves as a necessary monument to how ignorance may shape one’s worldview, and how that ignorance can be combatted through conversation and understanding.

Thank you all for your input, and thanks very much for participating in the thread

Noting wrong with having a thread about it. Had threads for less notable and prominent stuff all the time on here so why not. Ill talk about it wherever.

[The Huskar Social Union]

55 Days in Peking.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Yeah but there is 55 days in Peking tho

[Guomindang]

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Yeah but there is 55 days in Peking tho

More like... 55 days in Belfast... (Northern Ireland).

[The New California Republic]

[...]
Aside from a handful of voices, most people seem to be more interested in English politics, as that nation is generally regarded as more relevant due to its high population, large economy and historical role in UK politics. This can, in some part, be seen not only in the UK Politics thread, but also in the BBC, whose arguably misleading articles portray the riots in Belfast as a result of Bojo’s border and the EU, whereas there are quite clearly internal societal problems within Northern Ireland that play a massive role as well, societal problems that the BBC has chosen to ignore, if not categorically, then partially.

Sorry but no. NI has most definitely not been underrepresented/not talked about in the UK Politics thread. It comes up very frequently, with a balance of viewpoints.

If you want to make a case for a part of the UK being underrepresented/not talked about in UK Politics, then Wales is the one that stands out the most.

[The Huskar Social Union]

[...]
Aside from a handful of voices, most people seem to be more interested in English politics, as that nation is generally regarded as more relevant due to its high population, large economy and historical role in UK politics. This can, in some part, be seen not only in the UK Politics thread, but also in the BBC, whose arguably misleading articles portray the riots in Belfast as a result of Bojo’s border and the EU, whereas there are quite clearly internal societal problems within Northern Ireland that play a massive role as well, societal problems that the BBC has chosen to ignore, if not categorically, then partially.

Sorry but no. NI has most definitely not been underrepresented/not talked about in the UK Politics thread. It comes up very frequently, with a balance of viewpoints.

If you want to make a case for a part of the UK being underrepresented/not talked about in UK Politics, then Wales is the one that stands out the most.

Yeah its easily the last talked about in that thread.

[Ifreann]

[...]
Aside from a handful of voices, most people seem to be more interested in English politics, as that nation is generally regarded as more relevant due to its high population, large economy and historical role in UK politics. This can, in some part, be seen not only in the UK Politics thread, but also in the BBC, whose arguably misleading articles portray the riots in Belfast as a result of Bojo’s border and the EU, whereas there are quite clearly internal societal problems within Northern Ireland that play a massive role as well, societal problems that the BBC has chosen to ignore, if not categorically, then partially.

Sorry but no. NI has most definitely not been underrepresented/not talked about in the UK Politics thread. It comes up very frequently, with a balance of viewpoints.

If you want to make a case for a part of the UK being underrepresented/not talked about in UK Politics, then Wales is the one that stands out the most.

Partition Wales into the Republic of Wales and Northern Wales, then we'll get some Welsh politics.

[Gravlen]

Fair. Why doesn't Ireland just leave the EU, then?

/j in case you can't tell

Why can’t we just have a united Ireland (under British rule)?

Maybe it's time to try something different, and unite Ireland and the UK under irish rule?

[Ifreann]

Why can’t we just have a united Ireland (under British rule)?

Maybe it's time to try something different, and unite Ireland and the UK under irish rule?

First Britain, then Iceland, then Greenland. Islands of the Atlantic, unite!

[Major-Tom]

I'm not so sure this violence is the best outlet for Irish unification related political ideals, much as I wholly agree with them. Violence isn't going to get them any concessions.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

[Ifreann]

I'm not so sure this violence is the best outlet for Irish unification related political ideals, much as I wholly agree with them. Violence isn't going to get them any concessions.

The riots aren't related to Irish unification. If anything, the opposite would be closer to being accurate, the riots are because of a perceived distancing between Northern Ireland and Britain.

[Heloin]

Still, this is a very difficult subject for me personally, since I’ve got family on both sides of the divide, and I’ve always held a disdain for groups of both Prods and Taigs that engage in terrorism. I think Heloin described it best when they said the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland is doomed to continue, since the loyalists and nationalist are so opposed to one another, the differences between them being so immense, that it’s a miracle the country hasn’t yet erupted into civil war (again).

May I just say that I don't think the violence is doomed to continue forever. I do however think that the short term violence we're seeing right now was going to occur once it became clear no one who was pro-Brexit even considered for a second what would happen in Ireland and made no plan for it even after the vote. The last twenty years have shown the violence doesn't have to be a continues cycle. Peace is at risk right now but even in the worst case scenario it is not an eternal struggle, peace can always return.

[Heloin]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

The current violence is being caused by Ulster Loyalists.

[Pasong Tirad]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

Please go outside and I don't know pet a dog or something. There's a huge reason why sending in the British Army is a bad idea. Can you take a guess as to why or should The Troubles spell it out for you?

[Pasong Tirad]

And what did Arlene Foster, leader of the DUP say in the aftermath of that bus being destroyed? "They are an embarrassment to Northern Ireland and only serve to take the focus off the real law breakers in Sinn Fein."

An interesting line of attack. How have Sinn Fein or the other Nationalists responded? How did they react to the riots in the first place? How have the Other parties like Alliance reacted to the riots.

[Genivaria]

Why can’t we just have a united Ireland (under British rule)?

Maybe it's time to try something different, and unite Ireland and the UK under irish rule?

Yes, we'll restore the Danelaw but this time it will be the CELTLAW.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Think the UK will release North Ireland or Northumbria first?

Isn't the party of 'Northumbria' just a scam? A party of that over-promises their 'reforms' and delivers their selling pitch to generate revenue... and rile the youth to someplace ...

All I know is some person on here posts about Northumbria independence at least 4 times a year and replies to every single comment to keep the discussion going despite 99% of people agreeing it won't be a thing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

You literally have no idea what you talking about. The Loyalists are the ones who have instigated the violence in recent days. Please actually fucking try and learn the basics before you comment on something.

Also for the absolutely fucking dumb idea of wanting the army to come in and shoot up a place you have never been to kindly smack yourself in the face then go educate yourself.

Some of the absolute stupid fucking things said about NI on this forum seriously.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And what did Arlene Foster, leader of the DUP say in the aftermath of that bus being destroyed? "They are an embarrassment to Northern Ireland and only serve to take the focus off the real law breakers in Sinn Fein."

An interesting line of attack. How have Sinn Fein or the other Nationalists responded? How did they react to the riots in the first place? How have the Other parties like Alliance reacted to the riots.

Nationalists, including both Sinn Fein and the SDLP have condemned the riots and told Nationalists not to respond to the violence in kind. Some Nationalist youths have retaliated in some places such as the Springfield road which has led to some confrontations with the PSNI but no where near the scale as Loyalists in recent days.

In regards to Foster she has been condemned by basically nearly everyone for the bullshit she said.

[Theijiang]

55 DAYS IN BELFAST

HONOR THE BRITISH WHO FOUGHT IN THE WAR

AGAINST THE IRA REBELLION!

[Vassenor]

As a royalist I bloody hope that The British Army will kick the living ‘ell outta the IRA once again. Death to IRA!

Reminder that the British Security Forces killed more civilians than paramilitary members during The Troubles.

[Insaanistan]

Was gonna make a thread on this but was defo beaten too it. Anyway: 26+6=1

[Genivaria]

55 DAYS IN BELFAST

HONOR THE BRITISH WHO FOUGHT IN THE WAR

AGAINST THE IRA REBELLION!

Stop spamming

[Ifreann]

Loyalist teenagers firebombing a bus.
NSG: "Is this the British Army battling the IRA?"