Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:09 am
Did he die because of Covid?
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Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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Cereskia wrote:Did he die because of Covid?
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:-snip-
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So what makes the death of this nonogenarian different from all the others that will have died this week?
The fact that this nonagenarian* has gotten attacked by swarms of angry commenters, for starters. His death may very well be equal to that of any other person, it may even be worth less depending on your personal philosophy. The point is, however, that that is no justification to speak ill of the dead, and that masquerading common insults as “criticism” is ill-virtued and improper. If you have the gall to trash a dead man online, you might as well say that you’re trashing a man online, instead of pretending it’s some kind of “criticism”, when the extremities are propagated so fiercely and so rhetorically that there is no debate.
Ifreann wrote:Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
The fact that this nonagenarian* has gotten attacked by swarms of angry commenters, for starters. His death may very well be equal to that of any other person, it may even be worth less depending on your personal philosophy. The point is, however, that that is no justification to speak ill of the dead, and that masquerading common insults as “criticism” is ill-virtued and improper. If you have the gall to trash a dead man online, you might as well say that you’re trashing a man online, instead of pretending it’s some kind of “criticism”, when the extremities are propagated so fiercely and so rhetorically that there is no debate.
Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.
The Restored Danelaw wrote:Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:People should not be above criticism simply because they happen to be no longer alive, and the fact of the matter is that this man was a hidebound reactionary with some extraordinarily repulsive stances.
Nations have a natural tendency to glorify their histories and their leaders, but this never solves more problems than it lets fester.
People should be above criticism on threads specifically about mourning them
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:Ifreann wrote:Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.
Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:Ifreann wrote:Plenty of dead people who aren't public figures have ill spoken of them. People say that we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but we actually do it all the time.
Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.
The New California Republic wrote:
I can just imagine her having the grandchildren help her out with setting up her profile.
Queen: "'Interests'? What does one say? 'Visited hundreds of countries around the world on official visits, patron of over 600 charities and organisations, passion for horseracing'?"
William: "Nonono. Be more casual and approachable. Say something like 'likes travelling, occasional charity work to help out, and likes a flutter on the horses.'"
Celritannia wrote:Ifreann wrote:Philip being a racist is only news to Americans who first learned about him when he died. To anyone even slightly more familiar with Britain, it's just a well known fact about the man.
Most of his comments where poor witty remarks anyway. No different than what comedians back in the 70s and 80s were saying anyway.
Ifreann wrote:Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
Just because some of us choose to speak ill of the dead doesn’t mean it’s acceptable, nor does it legitimize anybody’s decision to do so. When we say we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, we’re quite obviously not saying it doesn’t happen, we’re saying it shouldn’t happen.
But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Ifreann wrote:But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.
Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Ifreann wrote:But it is acceptable. It is widely accepted. It is often good and necessary to speak ill of the dead, because sometimes the dead did bad shit that we shouldn't forget just because they've died. Not that Philip being a bit of a racist is that bad in the grand scheme of things, but what good does it serve to forget that? Seems to me that the exhortation to not speak ill of the dead is primarily used to shut down criticism of public figures.
Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.
Ethel mermania wrote:Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Because you’re to afraid to say it whilst they’re alive, you have a whole period to criticise it and confront their flaws before they are deceased. If you disrespect someone so quickly after they’re dead it just is taken as you being a petulant attention seeker.
Of all the things we can accuse iffreann of, not being critical of the royal family during the prince's consortorial days is not one of them
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Of all the things we can accuse iffreann of, not being critical of the royal family during the prince's consortorial days is not one of them
Then giving it a rest for a week would be honourable, considering that most of us would at least want to be treated with some dignity.