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Postby Atheris » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:41 am

Heloin wrote:
Atheris wrote:Couldn't he also claim the Danish throne? His family is Danish-Greek, IIRC.

With a sufficient amount of death anyone of vague European descent can be made monarch of nearly any European throne.

I'm King of Yugoslavia now.
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So because you lightly tugged on one thread the whole carpet unravels by magic?

I said it earlier in the thread, but it seems a weird double standard to me that people have been all over the internet shitting on Prince Philip for making a few off-color jokes, but I've seen nothing but praise for DMX, who wrote a song celebrating the murder of LGBT people.


Well, he has committed the unforgivable sin of being royalty.
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Postby Warriors of Truth » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:41 am

He was a good man, but the liberals are trying to attack his memory calling him a racist

The prince fought LITERAL NAZIS, unlike the antifa terrorists who fight people who love freedom
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:44 am

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So because you lightly tugged on one thread the whole carpet unravels by magic?

I said it earlier in the thread, but it seems a weird double standard to me that people have been all over the internet shitting on Prince Philip for making a few off-color jokes, but I've seen nothing but praise for DMX, who wrote a song celebrating the murder of LGBT people.


Oh, people have been shitting on him to.
But, and this might surprise you, a mediocre rapper most people never heard of gets slightly less attention than the death of a royal prince, whose wife is still formally the Queen of half the planet and has lived so long every generation save that one person posting above has heard of.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:46 am

Warriors of Truth wrote:He was a good man, but the liberals are trying to attack his memory calling him a racist

The prince fought LITERAL NAZIS, unlike the antifa terrorists who fight people who love freedom


Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis) and he himself got along splendidly with Hitler, saluting him numerous times in the wellknown manner.

But yes. He did good things as well. Nobody is denying that
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The Alma Mater wrote:
Warriors of Truth wrote:He was a good man, but the liberals are trying to attack his memory calling him a racist

The prince fought LITERAL NAZIS, unlike the antifa terrorists who fight people who love freedom


Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis) and he himself got along splendidly with Hitler, saluting him numerous times in the wellknown manner.

But yes. He did good things as well. Nobody is denying that


So if your father is a serial killer, you are a serial killer, great logic

his own father hated him BTW

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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:48 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I said it earlier in the thread, but it seems a weird double standard to me that people have been all over the internet shitting on Prince Philip for making a few off-color jokes, but I've seen nothing but praise for DMX, who wrote a song celebrating the murder of LGBT people.


Oh, people have been shitting on him to.
But, and this might surprise you, a mediocre rapper most people never heard of gets slightly less attention than the death of a royal prince, whose wife is still formally the Queen of half the planet and has lived so long every generation save that one person posting above has heard of.

DMX was not a mediocre rapper and is one of the most influential artists of the 1990's.
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Postby Atheris » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:50 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis) and he himself got along splendidly with Hitler, saluting him numerous times in the wellknown manner.

But yes. He did good things as well. Nobody is denying that


I think you might be mixing him up with King Edward?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:53 am

Atheris wrote:
Heloin wrote:
With a sufficient amount of death anyone of vague European descent can be made monarch of nearly any European throne.

I'm King of Yugoslavia now.


You want to rule the Balkans?
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Salus Maior wrote:
Atheris wrote:I'm King of Yugoslavia now.


You want to rule the Balkans?

Yes.
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Atheris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
You want to rule the Balkans?

Yes.


Well, just make sure your chauffeur doesn't take any wrong turns.
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Postby Atheris » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:01 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Atheris wrote:Yes.


Well, just make sure your chauffeur doesn't take any wrong turns.

Duly noted. I'll also be sure not to go on a diplomatic visit to Marseille.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:02 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Warriors of Truth wrote:He was a good man, but the liberals are trying to attack his memory calling him a racist

The prince fought LITERAL NAZIS, unlike the antifa terrorists who fight people who love freedom


Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis)


The fact that he had the opportunity to be a Nazi yet still didn't is if anything more impressive and only adds to his credentials as an anti-fascist.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:04 am

Atheris wrote:
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With a sufficient amount of death anyone of vague European descent can be made monarch of nearly any European throne.

I'm King of Yugoslavia now.

Depends on the law; the decision on who is the rightful claimant to the throne (especially in the event of a succession crisis) ultimately resides with the parliament in the UK, for example, iirc. Getting the entire Yugoslavian territory to agree on anything however is a bit difficult, considering they history of failing to agree on anything before blowing up in a horrific civil war. A King Atheris I of Yugoslavia will thus be legally mandated to be an absolute, unquestionable chad.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:04 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Philip was criticised during his life, every single time he made one of these comments.


He was also taken out of context a lot to sell newspapers.

The chap who reported on the spear chucking Aborigines comment was on tv yesterday and gave the whole context of the remark. It was a perfectly sensible thing to ask given the context of the whole day. He only reported it without context because he knew it would be a front page in the UK and the Duke apparently pulled him up on it later in private.

Can't believe the tabloids would do something so dishonourable.


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And the rest?


Shame that they slandered him. He didn't even get to be king, and they additionally slander the guy. Silky smooth logic.

Didn't get to be king, the poor man.
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Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis) and he himself got along splendidly with Hitler, saluting him numerous times in the wellknown manner.

But yes. He did good things as well. Nobody is denying that


The fact that he had the opportunity to be a Nazi yet still didn't is if anything more impressive and only adds to his credentials as an anti-fascist.


Actually there are plenty of suspicions that he DID pass on state secrets to the nazis.
But since there is very little proof we can - ironically - also attribute those suspicions to good old British racism against "the foreigner" ;)
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Atheris wrote:I'm King of Yugoslavia now.

Depends on the law; the decision on who is the rightful claimant to the throne (especially in the event of a succession crisis) ultimately resides with the parliament in the UK, for example, iirc. Getting the entire Yugoslavian territory to agree on anything however is a bit difficult, considering they history of failing to agree on anything before blowing up in a horrific civil war. A King Atheris I of Yugoslavia will thus be legally mandated to be an absolute, unquestionable chad.

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Heloin wrote:If a whole lot of people died he would theoretically be able to claim the Greek throne back before marrying Elizabeth. Not that it's a throne you'd necessarily want to hold with the benefit of hindsight.

The...the Greek throne?

Oh. It no longer exists.


We could make one.

It reminds me of how during the royal weddings France created a display of its old throne rooms like- "Heey we had royalty too you know... stop giving les Anglais all the attention.."
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Vassenor wrote:
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He was also taken out of context a lot to sell newspapers.

The chap who reported on the spear chucking Aborigines comment was on tv yesterday and gave the whole context of the remark. It was a perfectly sensible thing to ask given the context of the whole day. He only reported it without context because he knew it would be a front page in the UK and the Duke apparently pulled him up on it later in private.


And the rest?


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The Alma Mater wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I like prince Philip. He shows that immigrants from a war torn continent can become beloved by the local populace.


You like the idea of an 18 year old boy romancing his 13 year old "niece" ;) ?


The number of weird, slightly nasty misrepresentations you've been advancing in this thread.... Nor is this the first death thread that you've done this sort of thing in. It's almost as if you enjoy hanging around these threads just so you can make as many posts as possible that are ever so slightly unpleasant, sneeringly twisting situations into the most negative interpretation possible, and deploying snide winking smilies in the process, while falling just that little bit short of breaking the site rules.

You must be such fun at parties.

Anyway, in this particular case:

1) While Prince Philip and the future Queen were first formally introduced when she was 13, Philip had no romantic interest in her at the time, and didn't set out to pursue her. The Queen says that she fell in love with him, and she started writing him letters; but he didn't set out to 'romance' her - or even encourage her - for some years afterwards, not least because her parents were unsure about Philip's suitability. It seems that the relationship didn't really advance until 1943, at which point Princess Elizabeth was 17. They didn't get engaged until she was 21, which was by no means unusual in the 1940s (or even into the 60s).

2) They're third cousins (or at best second cousins once removed). The relationship was never constructed or considered as an uncle/niece one.

It would be fair to note that Philip's own uncle Lord Mountbatten played a key role in encouraging - arguably deliberately manipulating - the relationship between Philip and the future Queen, for example arranging for his nephew to chaperone the princess at that 1939 first formal meeting, and then likely intervening to get Philip a British naval posting when his sister Princess Alice (Philip's mother) told him some months later that she'd convinced her son to join her in resettling in Greece (hardly the actions of a young man deliberately 'romancing' his teenaged distant cousin). That's all fair.

But then you're never particularly interested in being fair; only snide.


And...

The Alma Mater wrote:Otoh, his family was mostly nazis (or married to nazis) and he himself got along splendidly with Hitler, saluting him numerous times in the wellknown manner.


And here you go again; and at this point you're just confused. Prince Philip's sisters all married Germans, including at least one Nazi Party and SS leader - which is why none of them were invited to his wedding. To the best of my knowledge, however, the teenaged Philip himself never met Hitler, nor saluted Hitler. The 16 year old Philip did march behind his sister's coffin when she was buried in Darmstadt in 1937, and walked alongside soldiers of the National Socialist regime during the funeral; but that was a family event, and he's never been shown - or accused of - making the Hitler salute at the time. His wife's uncle Edward VIII/the Duke of Windsor was, of course, a different matter.


There's plenty to criticise Philip for, but if we must criticise him, perhaps we should focus on criticising him for things he actually did.


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The Alma Mater wrote:Actually there are plenty of suspicions that he DID pass on state secrets to the nazis.
But since there is very little proof we can - ironically - also attribute those suspicions to good old British racism against "the foreigner" ;)


That's at least the second time you've posted this in the thread.

Either produce some actual evidence for these 'suspicions', or perhaps drop your Fox News-like 'some say' tactics.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:14 am

Atheris wrote:
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With a sufficient amount of death anyone of vague European descent can be made monarch of nearly any European throne.

I'm King of Yugoslavia now.

See the reason I said nearly is there is no throne of Yugoslavia to take.

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The fact that he had the opportunity to be a Nazi yet still didn't is if anything more impressive and only adds to his credentials as an anti-fascist.


Actually there are plenty of suspicions that he DID pass on state secrets to the nazis.
But since there is very little proof we can - ironically - also attribute those suspicions to good old British racism against "the foreigner" ;)

You're confusing two different royals here. Edward VIII may have been a Nazi sympathiser, hence why the sent him to the Bahamas. Prince Philip was definitely not a Nazi.
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Warriors of Truth wrote:He was a good man, but the liberals are trying to attack his memory calling him a racist

The prince fought LITERAL NAZIS, unlike the antifa terrorists who fight people who love freedom

Winston Churchill led the nation against the Nazis, but himself was racist.

Did you ever consider the fact he was fighting them because they were at war with his country and NOT because they hated black people, Jews, Arabs and Romani?
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The Archregimancy wrote: To the best of my knowledge, however, the teenaged Philip himself never met Hitler, nor saluted Hitler. The 16 year old Philip did march behind his sister's coffin when she was buried in Darmstadt in 1937, and walked alongside soldiers of the National Socialist regime during the funeral; but that was a family event


I remember watching The Crown's dramatisation of that and being a little surprised at all the swastikas for something which wasn't a Nazi party rally. It's plausible that people would have had Nazi flags as a way of proving their loyality in a similar way to how many Soviet offices would have pictures of Stalin, yet it also could just be done by the show producers for dramatic effect. Either way it looked like-

"Hi we need some Nazi flags.."

"How many do you need? We have a few left over from Father Ted and WW2 dramas.."

"Bring all of them."

"Wha.."

"ALL OF THEM!"
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