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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:40 am

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I'm aware. What I'm saying is don't cause a fuckin flamewar or be disrespectful to a thread about the deceased


Apparently it's disrespectful to talk about the deceased now.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:41 am

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Is anyone else getting bored of the way his war service keeps being used as a cudgel to shut down discussion of the various racist and sexist things he's said over the years?


I honestly wonder if those some people who say "he was a warhero, so ignore the things he said in the 70 subsequent years" are also vehemently against criticising communists.

After all, the commies killed Hitler.


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Postby Istoreya » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
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I honestly wonder if those some people who say "he was a warhero, so ignore the things he said in the 70 subsequent years" are also vehemently against criticising communists.

After all, the commies killed Hitler.


I think Hitler killed Hitler......

It's genuinely surprising the amount of people who don't know that. My sister is a huge history buff and she mentioned it in passing the other day and my mother was very confused because she didn't know that.

But regardless, if someone can point for me to the place where Prince Phillip was responsible for even tenth of the deaths of innocents that Stalin was, then you may have some ground to stand on with that argument.

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Postby Drongonia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:44 am

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:I'm aware. What I'm saying is don't cause a fuckin flamewar or be disrespectful to a thread about the deceased


Apparently it's disrespectful to talk about the deceased now.

But you talking about how we should remove Winston Churchill's statue, and then talking about thread ownership, and then seething about how he used the word twat, is also not talking about the deceased. :roll:
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:44 am

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:I'm aware. What I'm saying is don't cause a fuckin flamewar or be disrespectful to a thread about the deceased


Apparently it's disrespectful to talk about the deceased now.

I mean.....if it's about Prince Philip, it's still too soon for that, but well each to their own I guess.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:44 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Apparently it's disrespectful to talk about the deceased now.

But you talking about how we should remove Winston Churchill's statue, and then talking about thread ownership, and then seething about how he used the word twat, is also not talking about the deceased. :roll:


Take that up with the person who brought Churchill up as an incensed response to trying to talk about Phillip's racism.
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Postby Istoreya » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 am

Vassenor wrote:
Drongonia wrote:But you talking about how we should remove Winston Churchill's statue, and then talking about thread ownership, and then seething about how he used the word twat, is also not talking about the deceased. :roll:


Take that up with the person who brought Churchill up as an incensed response to trying to talk about Phillip's racism.

Someone else starting a threadjack isn't an excuse to continue the threadjack.

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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:51 am

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:I'm aware. What I'm saying is don't cause a fuckin flamewar or be disrespectful to a thread about the deceased


Apparently it's disrespectful to talk about the deceased now.

No. Its about you threadjacking
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Postby Calimama » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
I honestly wonder if those some people who say "he was a warhero, so ignore the things he said in the 70 subsequent years" are also vehemently against criticising communists.

After all, the commies killed Hitler.


I think Hitler killed Hitler......


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I didn't really know much about Philip as with most deceased persons but he seemed like a decent chap, may he rest in peace.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:48 am

Neanderthaland wrote:It occurs to me that in only a few months he would have received a letter from his wife congratulating him on turning 100.

I don't know why, but it strikes me as profoundly sad that this couldn't happen.


Mildly interesting bit of Prince Philip birthday trivia...

Prince Philip was born in Greece in 1921; but at the time Greece was still using the Julian calendar - it only switched to the Gregorian calendar in 1923.

So while Prince Philip's birthday was commonly held to be 10 June 1921, his birth certificate states that he was born on 28 May 1921.

That still doesn't get him to 100 even with the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey Orthodox calendar handwaving, but it does help to emphasise that he was so old that he was born before every European country had officially shifted to the Gregorian calendar.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:51 am

I like prince Philip. He shows that immigrants from a war torn continent can become beloved by the local populace.
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Postby Vrijstaat Limburg » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:52 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:I like prince Philip. He shows that immigrants from a war torn continent can become beloved by the local populace.


So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:57 am

Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I like prince Philip. He shows that immigrants from a war torn continent can become beloved by the local populace.


So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.


Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
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>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
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>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
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Postby Vrijstaat Limburg » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:09 am

Vassenor wrote:
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So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.


Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay


Actually missed a bit from the Cantonese quote: the Duke of Edinburgh is said to have remarked: “If it has four legs and isn’t a chair, if it flies and isn’t an aeroplane, the Cantonese will eat it.” This Wuhan pandemic does vindicate His Royal Highness a wee bit, wouldn’t you agree?

I personally think most of these remarks are fairly witty. They’re certainly good banter, and I’m not sure whether we should be so puritanical about a bit of banter. Regardless, many of these were taken out of context, and spread by media organizations that absolutely fetishize the royals. I could ask you to come up with a source for all of these, but, to be honest with you, I wouldn’t wish for anyone to scroll through dreadful tabloid to tabloid to find some cherrypicked soundbites.

You’re free to believe what you want, but I won’t be won over by a few sentences wherein its comedic value is actually far more prevalent than its alleged racism, and which have been completely stripped of any and all context.
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Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay


Actually missed a bit from the Cantonese quote: the Duke of Edinburgh is said to have remarked: “If it has four legs and isn’t a chair, if it flies and isn’t an aeroplane, the Cantonese will eat it.” This Wuhan pandemic does vindicate His Royal Highness a wee bit, wouldn’t you agree?

I personally think most of these remarks are fairly witty. They’re certainly good banter, and I’m not sure whether we should be so puritanical about a bit of banter. Regardless, many of these were taken out of context, and spread by media organizations that absolutely fetishize the royals. I could ask you to come up with a source for all of these, but, to be honest with you, I wouldn’t wish for anyone to scroll through dreadful tabloid to tabloid to find some cherrypicked soundbites.

You’re free to believe what you want, but I won’t be won over by a few sentences wherein its comedic value is actually far more prevalent than its alleged racism, and which have been completely stripped of any and all context.


Oh right, I forgot society still runs on "boys will be boys" logic.
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Vassenor wrote:
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.


Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay


>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors


This one is not that bad.

But the rest are, uh, hot takes to say the least
Lukewarm takes here at best.

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Postby Drongonia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:18 am

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Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.


Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay

Okay and? I literally don't give a shit. The work he's done to help advance the lives of millions of youths through his Duke of Edinburgh programme is more than enough to excuse all of this 100 times over. And that's without taking into account his military service. Just admit you don't like the guy and leave the thread, instead of trying to sully his good name with your lame arguments.
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Postby Gernick » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:21 am

Sad news, although expected, still a shock.
Condolences :(

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Postby Gernick » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:22 am

Gernick wrote:Sad news, although expected, still a shock.
Condolences :(

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:23 am

"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."

Poor Harry...... :rofl:
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Postby Vrijstaat Limburg » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
Actually missed a bit from the Cantonese quote: the Duke of Edinburgh is said to have remarked: “If it has four legs and isn’t a chair, if it flies and isn’t an aeroplane, the Cantonese will eat it.” This Wuhan pandemic does vindicate His Royal Highness a wee bit, wouldn’t you agree?

I personally think most of these remarks are fairly witty. They’re certainly good banter, and I’m not sure whether we should be so puritanical about a bit of banter. Regardless, many of these were taken out of context, and spread by media organizations that absolutely fetishize the royals. I could ask you to come up with a source for all of these, but, to be honest with you, I wouldn’t wish for anyone to scroll through dreadful tabloid to tabloid to find some cherrypicked soundbites.

You’re free to believe what you want, but I won’t be won over by a few sentences wherein its comedic value is actually far more prevalent than its alleged racism, and which have been completely stripped of any and all context.


Oh right, I forgot society still runs on "boys will be boys" logic.


Come off it, if princess Anne or the Queen had made those remarks, they’d still be funny.
Not every word a royal says has to be loaded with classicism, discrimination, homophobia, sexism, or whatever you lot endlessly cry about. The Duke of Edinburgh was a total legend, and the fact that the only way to oppose such a claim is the spreading of slanderous hearsay is disgraceful.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:
So true. The Duke of Edinburgh’s bad reputation is so tragically unfounded. I’m not a British subject, but from what I’ve seen, prince Philip was a kind soul and an educated man. I’ll look upon his gravestone with pity and regret, even if others won’t.


Phillip quotes, a non exhaustive list
On Britain:
>"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass?" Said to a driving instructor in Scotland
>"Young people are the same as they always were. They are just as ignorant." Said while celebrating Edinburgh's youth
>"The problem with London is the tourists. They cause the congestion. If we could stop tourism, we could stop congestion."
>"You bloody silly fool!" Said to a car park attendant who didn't recognise him
>"People think there’s a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."
>"British women can't cook."
On minorities:
> “So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs.” At a Bangladeshi youth club
>"There’s a lot of your family in tonight." To an Indian at reception for 400 British-Indians
>"It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.” On a malfunctioning fuse box
>"Are you all one family?" Said to a multiracial dance troupe
>"What exotic part of the world do you come from?" Said to a black MP from Birmingham
On economics:
>"I declare this thing open, whatever it is."
>"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing."
>"It's the best way of wasting money that I know of." On the U.S. Apollo program
>"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed." In reference to an economic recession
>"I will probably have to give up polo." Said to encourage people during a recession
>"Why don't you go and live in a hovel to save cash?" Said to someone living on the streets
On disabilities:
>"No wonder you are deaf listening to this row." Said to deaf children at a pop concert in Wales
>"Have you run over anybody?" Said to a man on a mobility scooter
>When he and the Queen met Stephen Menary, an army cadet blinded by an IRA bomb, and the Queen enquired how much sight he retained, Philip quipped: "Not a lot, judging by the tie he's wearing."
>"We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." Complaining about PTSD counseling for veterans
On children:
>"You're too fat to be an astronaut." Said to a 13 year-old aspiring astronaut
>"So you actually know how to write, then? Well done!" Said to a 14 year-old student
On crime:
>"If a cricketer suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" Said in relation to the proposal to ban firearms in the UK following the Dunblane shooting
>"A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman."
>"Cats kill more birds than men. Why don't you have a slogan, 'Kill a cat and save a bird?'" Said to nature preservationists
>"Smoke alarms are a disgrace. I've got one in my bathroom, and every time I run a bath, the steam sets it off." Said to a woman who lost two sons to a fire
On other countries:
>"If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” Said to a British student in China in 1986
>“You managed not to get eaten then?” Said to someone who had just hiked across Papua New Guinea
>“Reichskanzler.” Calling German chancellor Helmut Kohl by Hitler's title
>“You look like you’re ready for bed!” Said to the President of Nigeria who was wearing traditional garb
>"If it has got four legs and it's not a chair, the Cantonese will eat it."
>"You can't have been here that long—you haven't got a pot belly." Said to a Briton in Hungary
>"You are a woman, aren't you?" After accepting a gift from a Kenyan woman
>"Do you still throw spears at each other?" Said to an Aboriginal Australian
>"There's so many you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." Said about Romanians
>"Can you tell the difference between them?" Said to Barack Obama after being told Obama had met the Chinese and Russian ambassadors
>"Looks like the sort of thing my daughter would bring back from her school art lessons." Said of an Ethiopian art exhibit
>"I might catch some ghastly disease." Said of Australia
>"It's a waste of space." Said of the British embassy to Germany
>"It's a pleasure to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." Said while visiting Paraguay

Who the fuck asked? You're making a shit point like a kpop stan on twitter trying to cancel someone for saying something they dont like. Just leave already
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:28 am

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Is anyone else getting bored of the way his war service keeps being used as a cudgel to shut down discussion of the various racist and sexist things he's said over the years?

You know what else is tiring? Applying 2021 mores to people born in 1921 and then keep doing it for most of 29 pages.

Fascinating new development in making excuses for racism, we no longer have to judge people by the times in which they lived, but by the times in which they were born, because people can't be expected to change and grow.
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Postby Drongonia » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You know what else is tiring? Applying 2021 mores to people born in 1921 and then keep doing it for most of 29 pages.

Fascinating new development in making excuses for racism, we no longer have to judge people by the times in which they lived, but by the times in which they were born, because people can't be expected to change and grow.

If you dig around, you'll find that most of those comments were made in the early 2000s at the latest - where racism was much more acceptable in terms of comedy/wit/satire/banter or whatever.
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