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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:48 pm
by The Second Barrier » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:50 pm
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Didn't expect this shit to happen. Unexpected considering how long both the Queen and Phillip lived for
God bless him, and may he rest in peace
https://twitter.com/RoyalFamily/status/ ... 5323212800
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/ ... 99/8496412Yes, I get it, he was fairly unwell in recent times. But considering how long the British Royals have lived for without passing away is shocking.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:54 pm
The Second Barrier wrote:Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Didn't expect this shit to happen. Unexpected considering how long both the Queen and Phillip lived for
God bless him, and may he rest in peace
https://twitter.com/RoyalFamily/status/ ... 5323212800
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/ ... 99/8496412Yes, I get it, he was fairly unwell in recent times. But considering how long the British Royals have lived for without passing away is shocking.
The guy was 99, he could die at any moment
by Ariddia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:59 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:03 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:
Up the Royal Academy? Up the Rental Agreement? Up the Republic of Armenia? Up the Resident's Association? Up the Rainforest Alliance? Up the Rebel Alliance? Up the Rambler's Association? Up the Radiocommunication Assembly? Up the Registered Aromatherapist? Up the Roundhead Association? Up the Research Assistant?
by Vassenor » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:04 pm
Ariddia wrote:Atheris wrote:Mostly because Mandela actually liked black South Africans.
Contrary to the nonsense propagated these days by ignorant wokists, Gandhi expressed his support for black South Africans, and tended to injured Zulu soldiers during the Bambatha Uprising in 1906. He was also an inspiration to African liberation struggles across the continent. There's a good reason why icons of black Africa from Kwame Nkrumah to Nelson Mandela drew inspiration from him and respected him.
Could we perhaps stop crying "racism!" where there is none? It diminishes and trivialises the brutal reality of racism where it does in fact exist.
In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:09 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Up the Royal Academy? Up the Rental Agreement? Up the Republic of Armenia? Up the Resident's Association? Up the Rainforest Alliance? Up the Rebel Alliance? Up the Rambler's Association? Up the Radiocommunication Assembly? Up the Registered Aromatherapist? Up the Roundhead Association? Up the Research Assistant?
Wouldn't that last one get you in trouble with your professional society?
Just sayin.
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:09 pm
Vassenor wrote:Ariddia wrote:
Contrary to the nonsense propagated these days by ignorant wokists, Gandhi expressed his support for black South Africans, and tended to injured Zulu soldiers during the Bambatha Uprising in 1906. He was also an inspiration to African liberation struggles across the continent. There's a good reason why icons of black Africa from Kwame Nkrumah to Nelson Mandela drew inspiration from him and respected him.
Could we perhaps stop crying "racism!" where there is none? It diminishes and trivialises the brutal reality of racism where it does in fact exist.In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
by Ariddia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:13 pm
Vassenor wrote:In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
by The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:15 pm
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:American speaking, have no care for the British monarchy in both current and historical context, as such have no care for Mr. Philip's titles or blood.
by Vassenor » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:15 pm
Ariddia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Funnily enough, I've never seen anyone indicate where that quote supposedly comes from. Until I do, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. (Pun intended.)
But even if he did say it, the key point is that he later realised his initial assumptions about black South Africans were wrong, and he supported their struggles for human dignity.
Any reasonable person would respect him for the views he ended up holding, rather than demonise him for the ignorance of his youth which he realised was wrong.
But then, it's become fashionable for the simple-minded to do the latter. No-one was absolutely above reproach, and therefore everyone must be torn down.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:17 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Up the Royal Academy? Up the Rental Agreement? Up the Republic of Armenia? Up the Resident's Association? Up the Rainforest Alliance? Up the Rebel Alliance? Up the Rambler's Association? Up the Radiocommunication Assembly? Up the Registered Aromatherapist? Up the Roundhead Association? Up the Research Assistant?
Wouldn't that last one get you in trouble with your professional society?
Just sayin.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:22 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:American speaking, have no care for the British monarchy in both current and historical context, as such have no care for Mr. Philip's titles or blood.
Seeing an American refer to the Duke of Edinburgh as 'Mr Philip' reminds me of a slightly amusing family Prince Philip anecdote....
Back in the 1970s, my father was made a Fellow of the Institute of Mathematics & its Applications; Prince Philip was president and/or patron at the time, and a reception was held for all of the Fellows, which is how my father met him.
Fast forward a few years to 1980/81, and my family moved to the United States (my parents and brother in 1980; I followed from my school in Edinburgh in '81). My father was taking a job as a safety inspector for civilian nuclear power plants, and the US immigration authorities - not unreasonably - wanted to see his proof of qualifications; we wouldn't want to have unqualified nuclear power plant inspectors, after all.
by Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:23 pm
In 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
There's no way around it: Gandhi was a racist early in his life, says his biographer Ramachandra Guha. "Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.
by Ariddia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:27 pm
Vassenor wrote:Or we need to stop sanitising history for the sake of comfort.
by The Novakian Empire » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:29 pm
Ariddia wrote:Former President of Botswana Ian Khama has expressed his expressed his views in the following words:
"When people talk about the royals, I don’t think they quite understand what it takes, what it means to be able to carry out that role and the duties that come with it. For me that’s what I admire so much about him and the Queen. [...] He was one of a kind, he had a mind of his own and he spoke it. I admired him and the Queen and the way they carried out their duty."
Well said, Mr President. Many people don't seem to realise that it's really no fun being an active member of the British royal family, having most of your life dictated to you. Prince Philip carried out his duties, supported the Queen through all these years, and deserves respect. For that as well as for his war-time service in the armed forces.
My thoughts are with his grieving family, particularly his widow and children.
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by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:34 pm
Kowani wrote:Thermodolia wrote:And I’m sure you have a source for thatAriddia wrote:
Funnily enough, I've never seen anyone indicate where that quote supposedly comes from. Until I do, I'll take it with a pinch of salt. (Pun intended.)
Not what I expected to do today, but here we areIn 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
There's no way around it: Gandhi was a racist early in his life, says his biographer Ramachandra Guha. "Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:36 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Kowani wrote:
Not what I expected to do today, but here we areIn 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
There's no way around it: Gandhi was a racist early in his life, says his biographer Ramachandra Guha. "Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.
Interesting. Thanks for the source. I do wonder if he changed as he got older
by Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:38 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Kowani wrote:
Not what I expected to do today, but here we areIn 1903, when Gandhi was in South Africa, he wrote that white people there should be "the predominating race." He also said black people "are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."
There's no way around it: Gandhi was a racist early in his life, says his biographer Ramachandra Guha. "Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.
Interesting. Thanks for the source. I do wonder if he changed as he got older
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:40 pm
Kowani wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Interesting. Thanks for the source. I do wonder if he changed as he got older
He did, according to that same biographer: ""However, he outgrew his racism quite decisively, and for most of his life as a public figure, he was an anti-racist, talking for an end to discrimination of all kinds," he said."
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:47 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Kowani wrote:He did, according to that same biographer: ""However, he outgrew his racism quite decisively, and for most of his life as a public figure, he was an anti-racist, talking for an end to discrimination of all kinds," he said."
Good. Well then we don’t need to be claiming that Gandhi was a racist until the day he died, just that he said some racist things in the ignorance of youth
by Shrillland » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:The Second Barrier wrote:The guy was 99, he could die at any moment
Not going to speak for any of the other Brits here but it wasn't like that for me. Intellectually I knew he was old and I knew he had just come out of hospital so his death was likely.
But emotionally he's been around my entire life. He was a constant. And the news hit like a punch in the gut.
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