LA Black Man Arrested While Taking Out the Trash

[Cetacea]

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call." well, no wonder they arrested the wrong one. the officer didn't even say, "this black dude?" he just say "this dude?" probably because he was the closest man in the vicinity.

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

And police couldnt talk to him and establish his identity before they arrested him?
Just arresting a man for being outside his own house is still bad form

And even worse when my first reaction on reading about Police and Black men in the USA is “at least he didnt get shot”

[Borderlands of Rojava]

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call." well, no wonder they arrested the wrong one. the officer didn't even say, "this black dude?" he just say "this dude?" probably because he was the closest man in the vicinity.

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

I mean some police do that.

[The Two Jerseys]

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

And police couldnt talk to him and establish his identity before they arrested him?
Just arresting a man for being outside his own house is still bad form

And even worse when my first reaction on reading about Police and Black men in the USA is “at least he didnt get shot”

Like I said, the police could've handled the situation better.

But OP's claim that the police officers stopped just to harass an innocent black man is demonstrably false.

[Dowaesk]

Oh no. Black man throwing away the trash. GET HIM. THE FATE OF THE WORLD DEPENDS ON IT.
*What about the white man?
Forget him. A black man throwing away trash. Now das a bigger crime.

[Xelsis]

Yet another excuse for the imminent riots

When things like this happen on a regular basis, there should be riots.

I’m not quite Page, and I think there is inherent value in obeying the law and maintaining the public order. But that is conditional on the assumption that the law will ensure that I am reasonably safe in an orderly society.

People whose fundamental human dignity are not protected by the law and by officers of the law have no moral obligation to uphold public order. In fact, I would argue they have a moral obligation to disrupt it.

So if the law does not "ensure that you are reasonably safe", the rational course of action is to make other people unsafe? Cannot see how that computes.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

So if the law does not "ensure that you are reasonably safe", the rational course of action is to make other people unsafe? Cannot see how that computes.

If society declines to accommodate you, why should you accommodate society?

In real life, turning the other cheek lets everyone know that they can pick on you.

[Upper Yationd]

Systematic racism has to stop, we need to unify our nations and not drive them farther apart.

[Xelsis]

So if the law does not "ensure that you are reasonably safe", the rational course of action is to make other people unsafe? Cannot see how that computes.

If society declines to accommodate you, why should you accommodate society?

In real life, turning the other cheek lets everyone know that they can pick on you.

Conversely, if you decline to accommodate society, why should society accommodate you? That argument is a double-edged sword.

This is "eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" kind of thinking.

[Alcala-Cordel]

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call." well, no wonder they arrested the wrong one. the officer didn't even say, "this black dude?" he just say "this dude?" probably because he was the closest man in the vicinity.

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

So the thing is thats kind of exactly what cops spend a significant amount of time doing

[Zurkir]

Well... at least the word “Schutzstaffel” hasn’t turned up thirty-seven times in this thread yet...

[The Black Forrest]

Well... at least the word “Schutzstaffel” hasn’t turned up thirty-seven times in this thread yet...

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[Zurkir]

Well... at least the word “Schutzstaffel” hasn’t turned up thirty-seven times in this thread yet...

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[Christian Confederation]

So if the law does not "ensure that you are reasonably safe", the rational course of action is to make other people unsafe? Cannot see how that computes.

If society declines to accommodate you, why should you accommodate society?

In real life, turning the other cheek lets everyone know that they can pick on you.

All systems have problems. We can't just refuse law and order because of a few problems. Our problem is we punish more than we rehabilitate. Which is why we need prison reform. Just look at German prisons for a good example of how it's done.

[Vassenor]

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call." well, no wonder they arrested the wrong one. the officer didn't even say, "this black dude?" he just say "this dude?" probably because he was the closest man in the vicinity.

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

Except he wasn't at address X. He was several blocks away from address X when the police arrested him.

[Istoreya]

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call." well, no wonder they arrested the wrong one. the officer didn't even say, "this black dude?" he just say "this dude?" probably because he was the closest man in the vicinity.

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

So the next time criminal profilers decide the suspect is likely a white male in his early 30s, the police should obviously just arrest the first white man in his 30s they see and call it a good day's work, right?

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Yet another excuse for the imminent riots

It's the police who start the riots when they use lethal force and chemical weapons against protesters.

[Xelsis]

Granted the police really could've handled the situation better, but it's not like they're just cruising around harassing black people, the report said "a male at address X" and he was a male at address X.

Except he wasn't at address X. He was several blocks away from address X when the police arrested him.

No. From the article: https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ?_amp=true

The officers see Austin as he was taking out the trash in front of his Fountain Avenue apartment;

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call."

“You’re looking for the people upstairs,” Austin protests as the officers attempt to handcuff him behind his back.

I have no idea where you are getting the idea that he was several blocks away, there is nothing at all to indicate that: he is right at the location called about.

[Insaanistan]

Except he wasn't at address X. He was several blocks away from address X when the police arrested him.

No. From the article: https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ?_amp=true

The officers see Austin as he was taking out the trash in front of his Fountain Avenue apartment;

"The officers were responding to a 911 call made by Austin’s neighbor about her ex-boyfriend, who was white; no description of the suspect is given in the call."

“You’re looking for the people upstairs,” Austin protests as the officers attempt to handcuff him behind his back.

I have no idea where you are getting the idea that he was several blocks away, there is nothing at all to indicate that: he is right at the location called about.

The news broadcast I first heard it from (which was a day or so after the fact) reported he was three blocks away.

[Xelsis]

The news broadcast I first heard it from (which was a day or so after the fact) reported he was three blocks away.

A contradiction in sources, then. I would tend to think the article is the more reliable of the two, given that it quotes the victim saying that the suspect was "upstairs" and is generally easier to correct than a broadcast, but I suppose either could be wrong. Good old media, clearing things up for us.

Yet another excuse for the imminent riots

It's the police who start the riots when they use lethal force and chemical weapons against protesters.

So, the killing of unarmed Ashli Babbitt by an officer at the Capitol was an example of police starting a riot?

Because I cannot recall any other uses of lethal force by officers against 'non-riot' protesters.

[Insaanistan]

The news broadcast I first heard it from (which was a day or so after the fact) reported he was three blocks away.

A contradiction in sources, then. I would tend to think the article is the more reliable of the two, given that it quotes the victim saying that the suspect was "upstairs" and is generally easier to correct than a broadcast, but I suppose either could be wrong. Good old media, clearing things up for us.

It's the police who start the riots when they use lethal force and chemical weapons against protesters.

So, the killing of unarmed Ashli Babbitt by an officer at the Capitol was an example of police starting a riot?

Because I cannot recall any other uses of lethal force by officers against 'non-riot' protesters.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... ZgqUx97mBS
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... eqh3M3U9Mz

[Countesia]

NOOOOOOOO HE WAS HIGH ON DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME A REASON FOR MY RACIAL PREJUDICES NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xelsis]

A contradiction in sources, then. I would tend to think the article is the more reliable of the two, given that it quotes the victim saying that the suspect was "upstairs" and is generally easier to correct than a broadcast, but I suppose either could be wrong. Good old media, clearing things up for us.



So, the killing of unarmed Ashli Babbitt by an officer at the Capitol was an example of police starting a riot?

Because I cannot recall any other uses of lethal force by officers against 'non-riot' protesters.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... ZgqUx97mBS
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... eqh3M3U9Mz

Neither of those sources document a single use of lethal force by police-in fact, the only deaths mentioned were the six people killed by the protesters/rioters (most estimates place that at twenty-five). There is not even a single documented example of a firearm being used, just complainants over the use of pepper spray, tear gas, etc., that is, deliberately nonlethal force.

If, as you say "It's the police who start the riots when they use lethal force and chemical weapons against protesters" then the only riot that meets that description across all of 2020-2021 is the riot at the Capitol, because it is the only one, out of hundreds, in which the police used lethal force.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It looks like a mistake; not something worthy of a thread.

[Istoreya]

It looks like a mistake; not something worthy of a thread.

That's the entire problem with it. No, it's not worthy of a thread because it's just one of several incidents where crap like this happens. It shouldn't happen.

[Punished UMN]

It looks like a mistake; not something worthy of a thread.

The police should be a little better about not making mistakes. It's like the wrong addresses with no-knock raids. Somehow Amazon and Ebay manage to do a lot better than the police in getting addresses right.