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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
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Depends
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Postby New haven america » Sun May 30, 2021 6:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know there's the picture in the American mindset of Arabs as "the brown people" but at least half of them have peach/beige colored skin and many have light hair. Keep in mind when you see photos from the middle east of militias in Syria, the reason alot of them are dark skinned is because they're out there in the elements all day and night, rarely living in a solid dwelling. So in conclusion Sai, if you're worried about pale skin dying, Arabs and hispanics won't be the cause of that.


So why would I trade someone who's White and European for someone who can merely "pass" for White but also has all sorts of ancestry of non-White origins? Skin color is only part of the criteria for many people. My definition of White are those of primarily European ancestry who also have a pale enough phenotype and traits.

Ashkenazi Jews can be considered White for example from some people's perspective, because most were or are of majority European ancestry from their history of being assimilated into Europe or the former Soviet Union's populations before the Holocaust and other pograms got them to flee to Israel or to the US/Canada/elsewhere post 1945. Not all Jews are White however, because some stayed in the Levant/Middle East and never got sufficient European ancestry to "turn" White enough many generations later.

The Roman empire is more or less to blame for Ashkenazi Jews arising, because in the absence of Judea being conquered and destroyed, there would've been no Jewish disapora towards Europe.

Arabs are considered White Sai.

You can look up the US census for proof.
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Postby Picairn » Sun May 30, 2021 6:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:If you've ever had blood drawn they've probably already got your dna.

You can even extract someone's DNA from dried blood left for months lol. Forensics are way ahead of others in genetic harvesting.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
So why would I trade someone who's White and European for someone who can merely "pass" for White but also has all sorts of ancestry of non-White origins? Skin color is only part of the criteria for many people. My definition of White are those of primarily European ancestry who also have a pale enough phenotype and traits.

Ashkenazi Jews can be considered White for example from some people's perspective, because most were or are of majority European ancestry from their history of being assimilated into Europe or the former Soviet Union's populations before the Holocaust and other pograms got them to flee to Israel or to the US/Canada/elsewhere post 1945. Not all Jews are White however, because some stayed in the Levant/Middle East and never got sufficient European ancestry to "turn" White enough many generations later.

The Roman empire is more or less to blame for Ashkenazi Jews arising, because in the absence of Judea being conquered and destroyed, there would've been no Jewish disapora towards Europe.

Arabs are considered White Sai.

You can look up the US census for proof.

lol imagine being a white supremacist and actively making excuses to how everybody else can be white. :clap:
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Postby New haven america » Sun May 30, 2021 6:57 pm

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North Washington Republic wrote:More like “I’m afraid to find out that I’m not 100% white “


I'm non-Hispanic White and so are both sides of my immediate family. The biggest obstacle is that such a test probably costs more money than I'd want to spend and you can't exactly trust the accuracy of those tests. It can give a good estimate however. The risk is also that once that company has the results, they can do whatever they want with it, including selling it to China's government or whoever else and it'll backfire on you.

Actually, for a decent chunk of American history, Italians weren't considered white.

This should be concerning information for someone who's an open white supremacist.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 6:58 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I'm non-Hispanic White and so are both sides of my immediate family. The biggest obstacle is that such a test probably costs more money than I'd want to spend and you can't exactly trust the accuracy of those tests. It can give a good estimate however. The risk is also that once that company has the results, they can do whatever they want with it, including selling it to China's government or whoever else and it'll backfire on you.

Actually, for a decent chunk of American history, Italians weren't considered white.

This should be concerning information for someone who's an open white supremacist.

no dont, let him keep thinking more and more people can be white too. This is the best possible scenario, if everyone can be considered white, then why be racist right?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 30, 2021 6:59 pm

"White" doesn't mean anything outside of the historical circumstances of black slavery and Jim Crow.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 7:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I'm non-Hispanic White and so are both sides of my immediate family. The biggest obstacle is that such a test probably costs more money than I'd want to spend and you can't exactly trust the accuracy of those tests. It can give a good estimate however. The risk is also that once that company has the results, they can do whatever they want with it, including selling it to China's government or whoever else and it'll backfire on you.

Actually, for a decent chunk of American history, Italians weren't considered white.

This should be concerning information for someone who's an open white supremacist.


Indeed. The Nazis we’re obsessed with genetic make up. Sai is just scared he will find out he isn’t 100% white.
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Postby Heloin » Sun May 30, 2021 7:02 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, for a decent chunk of American history, Italians weren't considered white.

This should be concerning information for someone who's an open white supremacist.


Indeed. The Nazis we’re obsessed with genetic make up. Sai is just scared he will find out he isn’t 100% white.

He's going to be shocked to learn he's a distant relative of the Blue Man Group.

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Postby New haven america » Sun May 30, 2021 7:03 pm

Koletsia wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:More like “I’m afraid to find out that I’m not 100% white “


I don't care what colour my skin is, Washington. What I am concerned with, and believe others should be also, is the grotesque practice of genetic harvesting. To surrender the most fundamental essence of who you are physically simply in the hope that you are "1% Amerindian" or something, is a sad state of affairs. We know, it's not hip to be white anymore and any non-white percentages may be used as victim points. But those victim points come at a great cost.

If you've had your blood drawn, waste samples taken, or finger prints taken, then the government and private businesses already have your DNA and DNA like records.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 7:04 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, for a decent chunk of American history, Italians weren't considered white.

This should be concerning information for someone who's an open white supremacist.


Indeed. The Nazis we’re obsessed with genetic make up. Sai is just scared he will find out he isn’t 100% white.


we already know Sai isn't 100% white. He told everyone he's a 1/4 Italian before realizing that makes him part Mediterranean. You know? The same part of the world that has Turks and Syrians? :rofl:
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 30, 2021 7:08 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
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No one does this lol. People just think it's neat to learn about their genetics. It's why family trees have been so fascinating for thousands of years.


Yep, I got it done because me and my mother were curious. She bought it for my birthday. It turns out that I’m more mixed that I thought!


AFAIK nothing has changed with me finding out my dna is almost entirely Northern European. I still vastly prefer Burmese and Thai culture, and idolize Buddhist heroes instead of British or Scandinavian ones.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 30, 2021 7:10 pm

Nevertopia wrote:We already know Sai isn't 100% white. He told everyone he's a 1/4 Italian before realizing that makes him part Mediterranean. You know? The same part of the world that has Turks and Syrians? :rofl:


I made no such claim, unless perhaps if my maternal or paternal grandmother has any distant ties to Italy. Northern Italians have a decent shot at being considered White but I'm unsure about the southern half of the peninsula. Sicily itself isn't thought of as White because of its proximity to northern Africa and a ton of other invading factions throughout its history that were from outside of Europe.

North Washington Republic wrote:Sai is just scared he will find out he isn’t 100% white.


I would be willing to take such a test, if I could trust the accuracy of its results. Now isn't the time. There is still the logistics of actually getting it done that I'd have to figure out, along with waiting weeks to months for it, along with what samples I have to provide for analysis.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 7:16 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:We already know Sai isn't 100% white. He told everyone he's a 1/4 Italian before realizing that makes him part Mediterranean. You know? The same part of the world that has Turks and Syrians? :rofl:


I made no such claim, unless perhaps if my maternal or paternal grandmother has any distant ties to Italy. Northern Italians have a decent shot at being considered White but I'm unsure about the southern half of the peninsula. Sicily itself isn't thought of as White because of its proximity to northern Africa and a ton of other invading factions throughout its history that were from outside of Europe.

Saiwa you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.

So what happens if you find out you're not 100% white? What happens if you find out another white supremacist isn't 100% white? What about the genetic heritage we all share from our African ancestors? Do you have an acceptable level of "mixed" ancestry? And if you do why not go all the way and accept people who aren't white?

could it be that theres nothing special about your skin color?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 30, 2021 7:17 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I made no such claim, unless perhaps if my maternal or paternal grandmother has any distant ties to Italy. Northern Italians have a decent shot at being considered White but I'm unsure about the southern half of the peninsula. Sicily itself isn't thought of as White because of its proximity to northern Africa and a ton of other invading factions throughout its history that were from outside of Europe.

Saiwa you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.

So what happens if you find out you're not 100% white? What happens if you find out another white supremacist isn't 100% white? What about the genetic heritage we all share from our African ancestors? Do you have an acceptable level of "mixed" ancestry? And if you do why not go all the way and accept people who aren't white?


Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:Saiwa you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.

So what happens if you find out you're not 100% white? What happens if you find out another white supremacist isn't 100% white? What about the genetic heritage we all share from our African ancestors? Do you have an acceptable level of "mixed" ancestry? And if you do why not go all the way and accept people who aren't white?


Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.

Yup, he mentioned that too when he was trying to defend how his italian heritage made him white.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 7:20 pm

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Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.

Yup, he mentioned that too when he was trying to defend how his italian heritage made him white.

Then blacks and whites should not be fertile when they interbreed.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 7:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:Saiwa you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.

So what happens if you find out you're not 100% white? What happens if you find out another white supremacist isn't 100% white? What about the genetic heritage we all share from our African ancestors? Do you have an acceptable level of "mixed" ancestry? And if you do why not go all the way and accept people who aren't white?


Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.


So much for “race realism”, huh?
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Postby Picairn » Sun May 30, 2021 7:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.

Tfw you found out Stone Age Europeans were black.
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Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.


So much for “race realism”, huh?

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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 30, 2021 7:23 pm

Nevertopia wrote:Sai you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.


The point about Ashkenazi Jews is that they initially weren't White but were of Semitic origins but became so overtime, because they spent centuries in Europe and Russia before being driven out by Holocaust or various other pograms. There is no reason for me to consider Arabs to be White if they were in the middle east the entire time and thus, kept the genetics of the Levant.

Perhaps I'd consider the US Census to be completely wrong in considering Arabs and North Africans to be White. I'd say that at minimum, Whites have European lineage if not a European point of origin in terms of predominate ancestry.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Sai doesn't accept evolutionary history when it comes to humans. He thinks white people came from Europe and have always been white, despite us knowing white skin has only existed for like 10-20k years.

Tfw you found out Stone Age Europeans were black.

..Wait, Sai said all his ancestors came from Europe...DID SAI ACCIDENTALLY ADMIT ALL HIS ANCESTORS WERE BLACK?!
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:Sai you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.


The point about Ashkenazi Jews is that they initially weren't White but were of Semitic origins but became so overtime, because they spent centuries in Europe and Russia before being driven out by Holocaust or various other pograms. There is no reason for me to consider Arabs to be White if they were in the middle east the entire time and thus, kept the genetics of the Levant.

Perhaps I'd consider the US Census to be completely wrong in considering Arabs and North Africans to be White. I'd say that at minimum, Whites have European lineage if not a European point of origin in terms of predominate ancestry.

Oh, so basically if there is sufficient interbreeding you are saying a non-white group can become white.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:Sai you and I both know you're not 100% white, if you were you wouldn't be making excuses to how people coming in from outside Europe are still white.


The point about Ashkenazi Jews is that they initially weren't White but were of Semitic origins but became so overtime, because they spent centuries in Europe and Russia before being driven out by Holocaust or various other pograms. There is no reason for me to consider Arabs to be White if they were in the middle east the entire time and thus, kept the genetics of the Levant.

Perhaps I'd consider the US Census to be completely wrong in considering Arabs and North Africans to be White. I'd say that at minimum, Whites have European lineage if not a European point of origin in terms of predominate ancestry.

just let it go already, your skin color doesnt make you special. You're as human as the rest of us. :roll:
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 7:29 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
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The point about Ashkenazi Jews is that they initially weren't White but were of Semitic origins but became so overtime, because they spent centuries in Europe and Russia before being driven out by Holocaust or various other pograms. There is no reason for me to consider Arabs to be White if they were in the middle east the entire time and thus, kept the genetics of the Levant.

Perhaps I'd consider the US Census to be completely wrong in considering Arabs and North Africans to be White. I'd say that at minimum, Whites have European lineage if not a European point of origin in terms of predominate ancestry.

just let it go already, your skin color doesnt make you special. You're as human as the rest of us. :roll:


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Postby Picairn » Sun May 30, 2021 7:30 pm

Nevertopia wrote:..Wait, Sai said all his ancestors came from Europe...DID SAI ACCIDENTALLY ADMIT ALL HIS ANCESTORS WERE BLACK?!

It gets even better. Apparently modern Europeans owe their light skin to... Middle Eastern farmers.
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