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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sun May 30, 2021 3:50 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:White skin isn't going to go away.


It very well might if nearly all White populations in the world are at sub replacement level fertility whilst most of the non-White populations have high fertility and immigrate en masse to nearly all of the "White" countries whilst their own countries of origin remain just as homogenous or unchanged.

Do people not get that it is only ever a one way street currently where only the developed nations are expected to become diverse/multicultural/cosmopolitan whilst the same isn't true for the developing countries? It's an unfair status quo and I won't stand for it.

No, I mean in terms of genetics it wont go away. There are heavily mixed populations where people still pop up with white skin and pass.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 30, 2021 3:50 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:White skin isn't going to go away.


It very well might if nearly all White populations in the world are at sub replacement level fertility whilst most of the non-White populations have high fertility and immigrate en masse to nearly all of the "White" countries whilst their own countries of origin remain just as homogenous or unchanged.

Do people not get that it is only ever a one way street currently where only the developed nations are expected to become diverse/multicultural/cosmopolitan whilst the same isn't true for the developing countries? It's an unfair status quo and I won't stand for it.


There are lots of different developing countries that you can immigrate to. There just isn't a strong incentive to immigrate there if you're living in a more economically prosperous country.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 3:53 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It very well might if nearly all White populations in the world are at sub replacement level fertility whilst most of the non-White populations have high fertility and immigrate en masse to nearly all of the "White" countries whilst their own countries of origin remain just as homogenous or unchanged.

Do people not get that it is only ever a one way street currently where only the developed nations are expected to become diverse/multicultural/cosmopolitan whilst the same isn't true for the developing countries? It's an unfair status quo and I won't stand for it.

No, I mean in terms of genetics it wont go away. There are heavily mixed populations where people still pop up with white skin and pass.


That would be me! I’m mixed AF, but I present as white.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 30, 2021 4:01 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:There are lots of different developing countries that you can immigrate to. There just isn't a strong incentive to immigrate there if you're living in a more economically prosperous country.


If those countries don't want to accept me, then they're free to do so. In the same way, I want more majority White nations to turn away people from the developing world. I inherently don't believe in international freedom of travel or movement.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 30, 2021 4:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:There are lots of different developing countries that you can immigrate to. There just isn't a strong incentive to immigrate there if you're living in a more economically prosperous country.


If those countries don't want to accept me, then they're free to do so. In the same way, I want more majority White nations to turn away people from the developing world. I inherently don't believe in international freedom of travel or movement.

For the sole reason of they don’t look like me? White is just a skin color. It’s nothing special.

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 30, 2021 4:20 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:There are lots of different developing countries that you can immigrate to. There just isn't a strong incentive to immigrate there if you're living in a more economically prosperous country.


If those countries don't want to accept me, then they're free to do so. In the same way, I want more majority White nations to turn away people from the developing world. I inherently don't believe in international freedom of travel or movement.


It's not an issue of that, it's an issue of what you're saying being wrong from an objective pov. There's no plot to turn white countries darker skinned for some weird unexplained reason.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 30, 2021 4:22 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:There's no plot to turn white countries darker skinned for some weird unexplained reason.


It doesn't matter to me all that much whether there is a plot or not. The truth on if there is a conspiracy like most things in life is: yes and no. If the trend of White countries turning darker skinned is happening, I still want to try putting a stop to it. For me, it is a matter of self preservation.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 4:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:There's no plot to turn white countries darker skinned for some weird unexplained reason.


It doesn't matter to me all that much whether there is a plot or not. The truth on if there is a conspiracy like most things in life is: yes and no. If the trend of White countries turning darker skinned is happening, I still want to try putting a stop to it. For me, it is a matter of self preservation.


Brown and black skinned people aren’t going to kill you. Relax and get off of /pol/
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Postby Koletsia » Sun May 30, 2021 4:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:There's no plot to turn white countries darker skinned for some weird unexplained reason.


It doesn't matter to me all that much whether there is a plot or not. The truth on if there is a conspiracy like most things in life is: yes and no. If the trend of White countries turning darker skinned is happening, I still want to try putting a stop to it. For me, it is a matter of self preservation.


I fully understand your concerns regarding the invasion of our civilisation by people of backward medieval cultures but why is it a concern to you what colour of skin people have? Just trying to understand.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 4:39 pm

Koletsia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It doesn't matter to me all that much whether there is a plot or not. The truth on if there is a conspiracy like most things in life is: yes and no. If the trend of White countries turning darker skinned is happening, I still want to try putting a stop to it. For me, it is a matter of self preservation.


I fully understand your concerns regarding the invasion of our civilisation by people of backward medieval cultures but why is it a concern to you what colour of skin people have? Just trying to understand.


Because Sai is a white supremacist that believes skin color is more important than merit.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Koletsia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It doesn't matter to me all that much whether there is a plot or not. The truth on if there is a conspiracy like most things in life is: yes and no. If the trend of White countries turning darker skinned is happening, I still want to try putting a stop to it. For me, it is a matter of self preservation.


I fully understand your concerns regarding the invasion of our civilisation by people of backward medieval cultures but why is it a concern to you what colour of skin people have? Just trying to understand.


Medieval cultures are based though and Salafis hate it.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun May 30, 2021 4:44 pm

Castellum Roma wrote:Threads like this don't get banned, but threads talking about how many RP covid cases do.



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Postby Immortan Khan » Sun May 30, 2021 4:46 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Koletsia wrote:
I fully understand your concerns regarding the invasion of our civilisation by people of backward medieval cultures but why is it a concern to you what colour of skin people have? Just trying to understand.


Medieval cultures are based though and Salafis hate it.

Yes 8)
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:04 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:No, I mean in terms of genetics it wont go away. There are heavily mixed populations where people still pop up with white skin and pass.


That would be me! I’m mixed AF, but I present as white.


What background are you?
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Postby Vikanias » Sun May 30, 2021 5:06 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Vikanias wrote:Honestly white supremacists and woke peeps have a lot in common

Whites have privilege

Your other things are wrong, but this is a good example of your bullshit sophistry. Progressivism recognizes the currently existing privilege of whites, and opposes it. White supremacists usually believe whites are currently disadvantaged, and ought to be privileged. Exactly opposite.



Calm the hell down man, my post was a damn joke.

If you get this heated over someone having opposing views go to a therapist.
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Postby Vikanias » Sun May 30, 2021 5:09 pm

Vikanias wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Your other things are wrong, but this is a good example of your bullshit sophistry. Progressivism recognizes the currently existing privilege of whites, and opposes it. White supremacists usually believe whites are currently disadvantaged, and ought to be privileged. Exactly opposite.



Calm the hell down man, my post was a damn joke.

If you get this heated over someone having opposing views go to a therapist.



Also you proved me right
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 5:09 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
That would be me! I’m mixed AF, but I present as white.


What background are you?


I’m primary indigenous Mexican(39%). 20% Irish, 9% Spanish, 5% German. The rest is a cornucopia of different ethnicities ragging from 1-2%
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:10 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:White skin isn't going to go away.


It very well might if nearly all White populations in the world are at sub replacement level fertility whilst most of the non-White populations have high fertility and immigrate en masse to nearly all of the "White" countries whilst their own countries of origin remain just as homogenous or unchanged.

Do people not get that it is only ever a one way street currently where only the developed nations are expected to become diverse/multicultural/cosmopolitan whilst the same isn't true for the developing countries? It's an unfair status quo and I won't stand for it.


You keep acting like this is a skin color thing alone and yet you're upset when Syrians, people with the same skin color as most southern Europeans, come to Europe. Why Sai?

I've told this tale before probably but I live in an area full of Arabs and one thing that I find funny is they really do not look that different from alot of the "White people" here. Not only can I not tell them apart at all from the Italians, but about half of them could even pass for central or western Europeans. Picture Ralph Nader or Oregon governor Vic Atiyeh. I know there's the picture in the American mindset of Arabs as "the brown people" but at least half of them have peach/beige colored skin and many have light hair. Keep in mind when you see photos from the middle east of militias in Syria, the reason alot of them are dark skinned is because they're out there in the elements all day and night, rarely living in a solid dwelling. Those men weren't born brown. They were baked brown by the sun like many a soldier everywhere. I met a couple Bedouin in Jordan once who were very dark skinned but my mom asked them if they were naturally that dark and they rolled their sleeves up to reveal ivory colored skin beneath them. So in conclusion Sai, if you're worried about pale skin dying, Arabs and hispanics won't be the cause of that.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:12 pm

Vikanias wrote:Honestly white supremacists and woke peeps have a lot in common

Your racial identity is the most important thing
Everything should be looked through the lens of race
Barely know anything about coloured people but still say they know whats best for them
Roll back discrimination laws so we can hire based on race again
White actors should only voice act for white characters
Whites have privilege
Against interracial marriage
White people should be making white food
Both have proposed segregation
White people shouldn’t have dreadlocks and should stop appropriating black music
Blacks should only shop as black stores
Doesn’t considers jews white

I know one player from either of these groups will say “NOOOOOOO WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!”


Actually the woke types consider Jews white, but not Arabs which is odd cause both are middle eastern in origin. Also if not being white involves historic injustice, Jewish people have faced plenty of that. If you believe race is a biological thing, they gotta be the same race (it isnt biological but you get my drift). There's a few other things I'd beg to differ on here like whites having privilege but for the most part you are kinda right. Some of the die hard woke types are almost fascistic in nature. They definitely have a race issue they won't face up to.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sun May 30, 2021 5:49 pm

Vikanias wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Your other things are wrong, but this is a good example of your bullshit sophistry. Progressivism recognizes the currently existing privilege of whites, and opposes it. White supremacists usually believe whites are currently disadvantaged, and ought to be privileged. Exactly opposite.



Calm the hell down man, my post was a damn joke.

If you get this heated over someone having opposing views go to a therapist.

Something something about how people like you test the waters by revealing the full extent of their views and then pull back by calling it a joke. Maybe you should be the one going to a therapist if you're going to react so strongly to someone not coddling you and speaking their mind straight.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 30, 2021 5:52 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Vikanias wrote:

Calm the hell down man, my post was a damn joke.

If you get this heated over someone having opposing views go to a therapist.

Something something about how people like you test the waters by revealing the full extent of their views and then pull back by calling it a joke. Maybe you should be the one going to a therapist if you're going to react so strongly to someone not coddling you and speaking their mind straight.


Yo Huang just take it easy man. This is NSG, it isnt even that big of a deal.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun May 30, 2021 5:52 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Vikanias wrote:Honestly white supremacists and woke peeps have a lot in common

Your racial identity is the most important thing
Everything should be looked through the lens of race
Barely know anything about coloured people but still say they know whats best for them
Roll back discrimination laws so we can hire based on race again
White actors should only voice act for white characters
Whites have privilege
Against interracial marriage
White people should be making white food
Both have proposed segregation
White people shouldn’t have dreadlocks and should stop appropriating black music
Blacks should only shop as black stores
Doesn’t considers jews white

I know one player from either of these groups will say “NOOOOOOO WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!”


Actually the woke types consider Jews white, but not Arabs which is odd cause both are middle eastern in origin. Also if not being white involves historic injustice, Jewish people have faced plenty of that. If you believe race is a biological thing, they gotta be the same race (it isnt biological but you get my drift). There's a few other things I'd beg to differ on here like whites having privilege but for the most part you are kinda right. Some of the die hard woke types are almost fascistic in nature. They definitely have a race issue they won't face up to.


Israelis and Arabs are more genetically closer than either of them want to admit.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 30, 2021 6:00 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Actually the woke types consider Jews white, but not Arabs which is odd cause both are middle eastern in origin. Also if not being white involves historic injustice, Jewish people have faced plenty of that. If you believe race is a biological thing, they gotta be the same race (it isnt biological but you get my drift). There's a few other things I'd beg to differ on here like whites having privilege but for the most part you are kinda right. Some of the die hard woke types are almost fascistic in nature. They definitely have a race issue they won't face up to.


Israelis and Arabs are more genetically closer than either of them want to admit.


I mean, in both religions they are related so not sure that is true.
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Postby Koletsia » Sun May 30, 2021 6:03 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Israelis and Arabs are more genetically closer than either of them want to admit.


This is a very strange statement. In synagogue it is taught that the people of Israel and Arabs are basically brother peoples (from Isaac and Ishmael respectively).

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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 30, 2021 6:06 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know there's the picture in the American mindset of Arabs as "the brown people" but at least half of them have peach/beige colored skin and many have light hair. Keep in mind when you see photos from the middle east of militias in Syria, the reason alot of them are dark skinned is because they're out there in the elements all day and night, rarely living in a solid dwelling. So in conclusion Sai, if you're worried about pale skin dying, Arabs and hispanics won't be the cause of that.


So why would I trade someone who's White and European for someone who can merely "pass" for White but also has all sorts of ancestry of non-White origins? Skin color is only part of the criteria for many people. My definition of White are those of primarily European ancestry who also have a pale enough phenotype and traits.

Ashkenazi Jews can be considered White for example from some people's perspective, because most were or are of majority European ancestry from their history of being assimilated into Europe or the former Soviet Union's populations before the Holocaust and other pograms got them to flee to Israel or to the US/Canada/elsewhere post 1945. Not all Jews are White however, because some stayed in the Levant/Middle East and never got sufficient European ancestry to "turn" White enough many generations later.

The Roman empire is more or less to blame for Ashkenazi Jews arising, because in the absence of Judea being conquered and destroyed, there would've been no Jewish disapora towards Europe.
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