White Supremacy discussion thread

[Suriyanakhon]

I mean I don't don't Suri accused you of being a racist. Kahn is doing whatever Kahn is doing.

Suri did more than just that.

I mean, that was more in response to your comment about how Herz was falsely accused of being a Nazi, when he's a self-described Pan-German militarist.

[Suriyanakhon]

With traditional- maybe. However, with some of the variations not so much (were not talking “positive Christianity” here of course.

I'm not talking about positive Christianity either. I'm Eastern Orthodox and I'm telling you here and now that your views are incompatible with that of the Church and with Christ's message.

So much that you can be kicked out of the Orthodox Church for refusing to repent.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

With traditional- maybe. However, with some of the variations not so much (were not talking “positive Christianity” here of course.

I'm not talking about positive Christianity either. I'm Eastern Orthodox and I'm telling you here and now that your views are incompatible with that of the Church and with Christ's message.

I gave PC as an example of what Christianity can be morphed into if used for absurd reasons. In PC’s case it’s Nazi crackpot racial and national theories. I’m not saying that my religious views lie close to this abomination, neither that you’ve accused me of this.

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause? If eagerly join, if one was held now (I’d there were orthodox crusadesл , mainly because that’s a sure way to have a chance to die and surely do the right thing. Hate to repeat myself, but I want to die but can’t because complex reasons and I don’t want to talk about that here.

I'm not talking about positive Christianity either. I'm Eastern Orthodox and I'm telling you here and now that your views are incompatible with that of the Church and with Christ's message.

So much that you can be kicked out of the Orthodox Church for refusing to repent.

As I’m not baptized yet they can’t technically kick me out (because I’m just far too busy and lazy for that)

[Immortan Khan]

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause? If eagerly join, if one was held now (I’d there were orthodox crusadesл , mainly because that’s a sure way to have a chance to die and surely do the right thing. Hate to repeat myself, but I want to die but can’t because complex reasons and I don’t want to talk about that here.

Orthodox Christianity doesn't have the concept of holy war, and especially doesn't have the idea that one can cleanse themselves of sin by killing others which is beyond revolting. All soldiers must repent for the lives they take in war, even those of the enemy. The Greek Fathers firmly reject the idea of "just war". Some wars are understandable or unavoidable, but never just.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause? If eagerly join, if one was held now (I’d there were orthodox crusadesл , mainly because that’s a sure way to have a chance to die and surely do the right thing. Hate to repeat myself, but I want to die but can’t because complex reasons and I don’t want to talk about that here.

Orthodox Christianity doesn't have the concept of holy war, and especially doesn't have the idea that one can cleanse themselves of sin by killing others which is beyond revolting. All soldiers must repent for the lives they take in war, even those of the enemy. The Greek Fathers firmly reject the idea of "just war". Some wars are understandable or unavoidable, but never just.

I didn’t said that for me, personally, the concept of the holy war was attractive because of a way to repent your sin by killing someone. It is because of a way to essentially go to a sure death and it not technically counting as suicide.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Historically minorities have been used as a societal whipping boy by poor whites. This is unfortunately true. We saw recently in 2016 how Trump was able to weaponize the anger and frustration of working to middle class white people and turn them against hispanics, Arab Americans and black people.

oh come on
you've read my post about how this sequence of events isn't accurate
you even responded to it

In the process they didn't even see the flawed democracy in their country being eroded away even more,

sure they did
they just support it
democracy itself has been racialized since...the 15th amendment, i'd say

or see that their jobs were still being automated or outsourced because Mexicans were never stealing their jobs
their greedy higher ups just wanted cheaper labor.

,
we went over this too
they're not unaware of what happened
but it triggers a desire to simultaneously defend racial hierarchy and restore the economic status-quo pre-deindustrialization
the two processes are not separable from one another

i realize that a lot of leftists like to think that if we just alleviate class concerns, racial tensions will go away or alleviate
but i haven't seen any data to suggest that
the rust belt's racial animus is made worse by the deindustrialization
but it fundamentally exists on a fear about the upending of the racial hierarchy
if i snapped my fingers and made bernie the president with a supermajority democratic congress, the problem would still be there
the question of our time-the key question on which all other issues in american politics are subordinated to, is this: Will America become a stable multiracial democracy - or will the history books record multiracial democracy as a fairly short-lived and ultimately aborted experiment, an interlude from the mid-1960s to the 2020s, when the country returned to its previous historical norm?

it is not that other issues are less important
rather, they are subjugated to the answer to that question

Good thing I'm not a Yank.

well, yeah
but RAR isn't

I don't think we're a meritocracy in our current state though.

[Suriyanakhon]

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause?

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause?

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

I am orthodox myself (planned to baptise as one for like three months already) and I supported the idea of a holy war as Orthodox Christianity allows the idea of a defensive war, which, IMHO extends to a preemptive invasive war.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

I am orthodox myself (planned to baptise as one for like three months already) and I supported the idea of a holy war as Orthodox Christianity allows the idea of a defensive war, which, IMHO extends to a preemptive invasive war.

You aren't a member of the Orthodox Church (in your own words):

As I’m not baptized yet they can’t technically kick me out (because I’m just far too busy and lazy for that)

Nor are you someone familiar enough with Church doctrine for your opinion to matter.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I am orthodox myself (planned to baptise as one for like three months already) and I supported the idea of a holy war as Orthodox Christianity allows the idea of a defensive war, which, IMHO extends to a preemptive invasive war.

You aren't a member of the Orthodox Church (in your own words):

As I’m not baptized yet they can’t technically kick me out (because I’m just far too busy and lazy for that)

Nor are you someone familiar enough with Church doctrine for your opinion to matter.

Got me here fair and square, couldn’t be said better. Admitting my defeat in this matter.

[Nevertopia]

white supremacy is bad and is based on bad faith arguments such as using out-dated data and outright denying scientific evidence that goes against their beliefs. Theres no conversation to be had with these people, they think as long as they remain stubborn you haven't proven them wrong.

I once had a conversation with a white supremacist in this very thread about how all their beliefs had been disproven by peer-reviewed research and that black does not in fact make someone intellectually or biologically inferior. And their response was essentially "because you would never believe data that reinforced my racism, I wont believe data that proves me wrong." To white supremacists its a contest of who can hold out the longest instead of testing how valid their beliefs are in the face of more accurate data.

Thats the level of aggressive stupidity these white supremacists have, ironically displaying the same intellectual inferiority they so desperately use to justify rendering minorities as sub-humans. Its almost like being a white supremacist is a vector for being intellectually inferior but I digress.

I used to believe that with proper information you would be able to educate ignorance in this matter but I did not foresee that the ignorance was a conscious decision. This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

[Immortan Khan]

I actually wonder what’s your opinion on crusades are. Aren’t they, essentially, spending lives for a good cause?

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

Tbf I do consider the first three crusades understandable wars even if the theology behind them is particularly...yeah. It's the Fourth Crusade and after that things really nose dive.

[Suriyanakhon]

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

Tbf I do consider the first three crusades understandable wars even if the theology behind them is particularly...yeah. It's the Fourth Crusade and after that things really nose dive.

From a secular perspective, they probably had understandable reasons. But then there's the weird fetishization of them by the European identitarian crowd.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Why would Immortan Khan have a positive opinion about the Crusades when historically, the Orthodox were victims of them (i.e the sack of Constantinople)?

Tbf I do consider the first three crusades understandable wars even if the theology behind them is particularly...yeah. It's the Fourth Crusade and after that things really nose dive.

Child crusade (clown emoji)

[Kowani]

Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

Obligatory reminder that the “fire in a crowded theatre” standard was overturned in Brandenburg v. Ohio
The current standard is “likely to incite immediate lawless action”
So yes, free speech does include racial hatred

[Saiwania]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

[Suriyanakhon]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

Time to sacrifice my White skin, culture, and community for my religion which is worth more than all of those combined.

[Albrenia]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

Nobody's trying to take your whiteness away from you in particular, so your white skin is safe.

White culture is actually a number of diverse and distinct cultures. I'm still amused by how racial supremacists see their own culture as so anaemic and unworthy as to die of the vapours should it be forced to have contact with other cultures.

Your 'white nation', on the other hand, doesn't and shouldn't exist. The US (and pretty much all nations on Earth, across the world) has a racism issue, but like most nations it's not actually an ethnostate, so you're actually fighting to change America if you are fighting to 'preserve' a whites-only nation.

[Nevertopia]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

The color of your skin does not justify your belligerent belief that the color black makes someone less human. Everything you've said is wrong, being white doesn't make you special to anyone else.

[Immortan Khan]

Tbf I do consider the first three crusades understandable wars even if the theology behind them is particularly...yeah. It's the Fourth Crusade and after that things really nose dive.

From a secular perspective, they probably had understandable reasons. But then there's the weird fetishization of them by the European identitarian crowd.

Yeah which is really weird since the Outremer states were actually developing a hybrid culture that was a mix of Frankish, Greek, and Arab culture. Already by the mid 12th century this was being noted by travelers from Europe.

[The Blaatschapen]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

What the hell is white culture?

I do not have the same culture as the French, yet both our skin tones are white.

There's a lot of cultural differences between me and the average Russian too.

[Nevertopia]

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

What the hell is white culture?

I do not have the same culture as the French, yet both our skin tones are white.

There's a lot of cultural differences between me and the average Russian too.

this is the sort of aggressive stupidity white supremacists have that I mentioned. They think their favourite color should make them special, thats all it is. They want to feel special.

[Castellum Roma]

Threads like this don't get banned, but threads talking about how many RP covid cases do.



Mods clearly, are biased, prove me wrong.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

The color of your skin does not justify your belligerent belief that the color black makes someone less human. Everything you've said is wrong, being white doesn't make you special to anyone else.

It does. For example, it’s important to me. While I’m certainly not sayings that everyone else thinks like me, Sai already has a single example.

[San Lumen]

This is why I do not believe white supremacists have any right to be allowed to orate their beliefs. They are factually, and objectively wrong and only serve to spread their ignorance. Much like how free speech does not extend to someone being able to yell "Fire" in a cinema, free speech should not extend to someone being able to advocate hate towards a particular ethnicity. Beliefs and ideas on the other-hand like white supremacy are still open to scrutiny and ridicule.

It is my White skin and identity, my White culture, and my White community/nation. I'm not going to sacrifice any of that on the altar of being more "tolerant/diverse/woke" or whatever else Leftists want for the sake of what they consider progress. I'm opposing the changes being inflicted on majority White nations via unchecked mass immigration from the developing world.

Being white doesn't make you special. There is no mass conspiracy to replace white people. what changes are you referring to?

There are limits on immigration in almost every western country.

define white culture.