White Supremacy discussion thread

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's kind of weird how acknowledging the history of racism makes someone automatically labeled a leftist, even when they're right-wing.

not really
i would argue that the cultural values that result from acknowledging racism are pretty left-wing, at least in the american context.
once you acknowledge the racism, the next step is almost always "what can we do about it?"
even if you're not committed to some sort of post-racial future, the ingrained racism strikes heavily at the idea of meritocracy that's been indoctrinated into every american child since birth
it's also, i'd say, incompatible with two prominent American Myths-the American Dream and American Exceptionalism

The anti-racist to socialist pipeline is the ninth wonder of the world. Lmfao.

[Immortan Khan]

It's kind of weird how acknowledging the history of racism makes someone automatically labeled a leftist, even when they're right-wing.

not really
i would argue that the cultural values that result from acknowledging racism are pretty left-wing, at least in the american context.
once you acknowledge the racism, the next step is almost always "what can we do about it?"
even if you're not committed to some sort of post-racial future, the ingrained racism strikes heavily at the idea of meritocracy that's been indoctrinated into every american child since birth
it's also, i'd say, incompatible with two prominent American Myths-the American Dream and American Exceptionalism

Good thing I'm not a Yank.

[The Reformed American Republic]

This is not a good idea for so many reasons. Not the least of which are ethical concerns.

You’re talking to a person who has zero empathy, especially for himself. Ethical concerns are of a little worry to me most of the time with some exceptions.

It's funny how I'm considered a racist in this thread, when I don't stand by this crap.

[Salus Maior]

This is not a good idea for so many reasons. Not the least of which are ethical concerns.

You’re talking to a person who has zero empathy, especially for himself. Ethical concerns are of a little worry to me most of the time with some exceptions.

Again, my condolences.

Being a sociopath isn't something to be proud of. And it certainly doesn't make you qualified to make political decisions, or any decision on behalf of others.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You’re talking to a person who has zero empathy, especially for himself. Ethical concerns are of a little worry to me most of the time with some exceptions.

It's funny how I'm considered a racist in this thread, when I don't stand by this crap.

I mean I don't see you as a racist. You came in pretty hard against Nazism earlier in this thread.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Technology didn’t. Before the Soviets came the locals didn’t even have had electricity, women didn’t had any rights, and other “cool” stuff.

Electricity would have eventually spread during the Russian Empire as Russia underwent industrialization which is why it was underdeveloped, not because it didn't have civilization (which it did have). Women having it worse off doesn't mean there wasn't civilization there either. By this standard, when can we invade Russia to bring it civilization?

I gave women’s right not as a primary example but rather as a one of the many examples and reasons why. Should’ve probably stated that I meant modern (by 1920’s standards) civilization.

I would’ve? I highly doubt that. Look for example at Japan- electrification in it was God-awful even in early 1930’s.

[Immortan Khan]

Electricity would have eventually spread during the Russian Empire as Russia underwent industrialization which is why it was underdeveloped, not because it didn't have civilization (which it did have). Women having it worse off doesn't mean there wasn't civilization there either. By this standard, when can we invade Russia to bring it civilization?

I gave women’s right not as a primary example but rather as a one of the many examples and reasons why. Should’ve probably stated that I meant modern (by 1920’s standards) civilization.

I would’ve? I highly doubt that. Look for example at Japan- electrification in it was God-awful even in early 1930’s.

Yeah it was pretty god awful in large swaths of the US and Canada as well in the 1930's. A lot of the things we take for granted are more recent than we think. And yeah, it would have eventually. The Russian Empire was undergoing massive industrialization on the eve of WWI and by the 1920's most likely would have become the largest market in the world.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

You’re talking to a person who has zero empathy, especially for himself. Ethical concerns are of a little worry to me most of the time with some exceptions.

Again, my condolences.

Being a sociopath isn't something to be proud of. And it certainly doesn't make you qualified to make political decisions, or any decision on behalf of others.

Is this ironic? If it is than ho joke about something else. The fact that my political views are this extreme is essentially out of my personal problems and self-loathing issues that are already bad enough. Please, don’t make them worse.

Since when not viewing human life as an absolute value that can’t be treated for anything or disagreeing some other humanistic stuff was being a sociopath? And yes, I don’t get along with people very well, if that your question, but that’s extremely off topic.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's funny how I'm considered a racist in this thread, when I don't stand by this crap.

I mean I don't see you as a racist. You came in pretty hard against Nazism earlier in this thread.

The allied leftist (Suriyanakhon) and neoliberal (Kahn) in this thread don't see it that way of course.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Man I feel bad for people in Ethiopia. It must suck not having electricity because they weren't colonized and when you aren't colonized, you miss out on all modern technology, like how the Japanese did.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I mean I don't see you as a racist. You came in pretty hard against Nazism earlier in this thread.

The allied leftist (Suriyanakhon) and neoliberal (Kahn) in this thread don't see it that way of course.

I mean I don't don't Suri accused you of being a racist. Kahn is doing whatever Kahn is doing.

[Hanunah]

Again, my condolences.

Being a sociopath isn't something to be proud of. And it certainly doesn't make you qualified to make political decisions, or any decision on behalf of others.

Is this ironic? If it is than ho joke about something else. The fact that my political views are this extreme is essentially out of my personal problems and self-loathing issues that are already bad enough. Please, don’t make them worse.

Since when not viewing human life as an absolute value that can’t be treated for anything or disagreeing some other humanistic stuff was being a sociopath? And yes, I don’t get along with people very well, if that your question, but that’s extremely off topic.

I think its more along the lines of "Human organization is ideally based around the common good of mankind, and those who reject this value are not ideal policymakers"

[Immortan Khan]

I mean I don't see you as a racist. You came in pretty hard against Nazism earlier in this thread.

The allied leftist (Suriyanakhon) and neoliberal (Kahn) in this thread don't see it that way of course.

For starters I'm not a neoliberal and further where have I said that I think you're a racist? You have this weird one sided grudge against me for some reason.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I gave women’s right not as a primary example but rather as a one of the many examples and reasons why. Should’ve probably stated that I meant modern (by 1920’s standards) civilization.

I would’ve? I highly doubt that. Look for example at Japan- electrification in it was God-awful even in early 1930’s.

Yeah it was pretty god awful in large swaths of the US and Canada as well in the 1930's. A lot of the things we take for granted are more recent than we think. And yeah, it would have eventually. The Russian Empire was undergoing massive industrialization on the eve of WWI and by the 1920's most likely would have become the largest market in the world.

Again, I highly doubt that. While the Russian empire certainly had some very clever inventors and men, it effectively lacked a government competent enough to utilize these men in an effective way. For example, look at the famous Novik-class destroyer which was literally almost always armed with foreign-designed or even built weapons

[The Reformed American Republic]

The allied leftist (Suriyanakhon) and neoliberal (Kahn) in this thread don't see it that way of course.

I mean I don't don't Suri accused you of being a racist. Kahn is doing whatever Kahn is doing.

Suri did more than just that.

[The Reformed American Republic]

You’re talking to a person who has zero empathy, especially for himself. Ethical concerns are of a little worry to me most of the time with some exceptions.

Again, my condolences.

Being a sociopath isn't something to be proud of. And it certainly doesn't make you qualified to make political decisions, or any decision on behalf of others.

Be careful with that word, as it can be considered a personal attack, though I second this post. This mentality does not belong in politics.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I think its more along the lines of "Human organization is ideally based around the common good of mankind, and those who reject this value are not ideal policymakers"

Oh, thanks for explaining that. Sometimes I have trouble understanding you, amerikans.

Well, that’s just plain humanism. I do believe that there are things that come first of human lives, like the good of the people, ideas and religion, and that [message removed]. Furthermore, I don’t believe that I should value some guy’s life, who did nothing and will do nothing for me over me and my people.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Man I feel bad for people in Ethiopia. It must suck not having electricity because they weren't colonized and when you aren't colonized, you miss out on all modern technology, like how the Japanese did.

I wish there was a like system for posts.

[Kowani]

The white labor movement has historically been a greater enemy to the black nation than to the bourgeoisie, which makes sense considering the black nation is so much weaker.

Historically minorities have been used as a societal whipping boy by poor whites. This is unfortunately true. We saw recently in 2016 how Trump was able to weaponize the anger and frustration of working to middle class white people and turn them against hispanics, Arab Americans and black people.

oh come on
you've read my post about how this sequence of events isn't accurate
you even responded to it

In the process they didn't even see the flawed democracy in their country being eroded away even more,

sure they did
they just support it
democracy itself has been racialized since...the 15th amendment, i'd say

or see that their jobs were still being automated or outsourced because Mexicans were never stealing their jobs
their greedy higher ups just wanted cheaper labor.

,
we went over this too
they're not unaware of what happened
but it triggers a desire to simultaneously defend racial hierarchy and restore the economic status-quo pre-deindustrialization
the two processes are not separable from one another

i realize that a lot of leftists like to think that if we just alleviate class concerns, racial tensions will go away or alleviate
but i haven't seen any data to suggest that
the rust belt's racial animus is made worse by the deindustrialization
but it fundamentally exists on a fear about the upending of the racial hierarchy
if i snapped my fingers and made bernie the president with a supermajority democratic congress, the problem would still be there
the question of our time-the key question on which all other issues in american politics are subordinated to, is this: Will America become a stable multiracial democracy - or will the history books record multiracial democracy as a fairly short-lived and ultimately aborted experiment, an interlude from the mid-1960s to the 2020s, when the country returned to its previous historical norm?

it is not that other issues are less important
rather, they are subjugated to the answer to that question

not really
i would argue that the cultural values that result from acknowledging racism are pretty left-wing, at least in the american context.
once you acknowledge the racism, the next step is almost always "what can we do about it?"
even if you're not committed to some sort of post-racial future, the ingrained racism strikes heavily at the idea of meritocracy that's been indoctrinated into every american child since birth
it's also, i'd say, incompatible with two prominent American Myths-the American Dream and American Exceptionalism

Good thing I'm not a Yank.

well, yeah
but RAR isn't

[Immortan Khan]

I think its more along the lines of "Human organization is ideally based around the common good of mankind, and those who reject this value are not ideal policymakers"

Oh, thanks for explaining that. Sometimes I have trouble understanding you, amerikans.

Well, that’s just plain humanism. I do believe that there are things that come first of human lives, like the good of the people, ideas and religion, and that [message removed]. Furthermore, I don’t believe that I should value some guy’s life, who did nothing and will do nothing for me over me and my people.

You realise this is incompatible with Orthodox Christianity?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Oh, thanks for explaining that. Sometimes I have trouble understanding you, amerikans.

Well, that’s just plain humanism. I do believe that there are things that come first of human lives, like the good of the people, ideas and religion, and that [message removed]. Furthermore, I don’t believe that I should value some guy’s life, who did nothing and will do nothing for me over me and my people.

You realise this is incompatible with Orthodox Christianity?

With traditional- maybe. However, with some of the variations not so much (were not talking “positive Christianity” here of course.

[Kowani]

I gave women’s right not as a primary example but rather as a one of the many examples and reasons why. Should’ve probably stated that I meant modern (by 1920’s standards) civilization.

I would’ve? I highly doubt that. Look for example at Japan- electrification in it was God-awful even in early 1930’s.

Yeah it was pretty god awful in large swaths of the US and Canada as well in the 1930's. A lot of the things we take for granted are more recent than we think. And yeah, it would have eventually. The Russian Empire was undergoing massive industrialization on the eve of WWI and by the 1920's most likely would have become the largest market in the world.

roosevelt brought rural electification to prevent a colonization of the interior by the urbanite, doncha know

[Immortan Khan]

You realise this is incompatible with Orthodox Christianity?

With traditional- maybe. However, with some of the variations not so much (were not talking “positive Christianity” here of course.

I'm not talking about positive Christianity either. I'm Eastern Orthodox and I'm telling you here and now that your views are incompatible with that of the Church and with Christ's message.

[The Reformed American Republic]

With traditional- maybe. However, with some of the variations not so much (were not talking “positive Christianity” here of course.

I'm not talking about positive Christianity either. I'm Eastern Orthodox and I'm telling you here and now that your views are incompatible with that of the Church and with Christ's message.

Like that stopped Christians before?

[Hanunah]

Oh, thanks for explaining that. Sometimes I have trouble understanding you, amerikans.

Well, that’s just plain humanism. I do believe that there are things that come first of human lives, like the good of the people, ideas and religion, and that [message removed]. Furthermore, I don’t believe that I should value some guy’s life, who did nothing and will do nothing for me over me and my people.

You realise this is incompatible with Orthodox Christianity?

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

Possibly THE most important saying of Christ.