White Supremacy discussion thread

[Salus Maior]

That's Social Darwinism.

No, social Darwinism believes that the superiors should thrive at the expense of the inferiors. My believes, I hope you understand, are nowhere near this. Mainly because religion.

That's what Colonialism is.

[Immortan Khan]

The legal is what allowed them to benefit from white supremacy. Once again, if we keep extending this then we'll basically just have to say only English-Americans have ever been fully white in America's history and ergo are the only ones to pin this on. Hence why I said it's an attempt to deflect the role of other ethnic groups within America's racial caste system over time.

So are the Arabs white then? Because on the census it says they are white and in crime data they are labeled as white.

Yeah. And if you go to the Middle East they'll also tell you how white they are.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Settlers is a trash ass book that downplays everything poor white Americans have had to fight through in a sick game of victim Olympics. While some of the things written in it are true, it's still full of alot of shit.

It's Maoist third worldism. First-worlders are not proletariat, support for the Khmer regime are other forms of crap they believe in. They're pretty hateful.

I can say with certainty those are not real leftists. They're just third world fascism.

[Suriyanakhon]

Actually basically only the indigenous people aren't colonizers.

No, not at all. Black people were a forcibly imported proletariat who labored so that settlers didn't have to. https://readsettlers.org/ has good info on this subject

I mean, African Americans who migrated to Liberia did end up mistreating a lot of the natives.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So are the Arabs white then? Because on the census it says they are white and in crime data they are labeled as white.

Yeah. And if you go to the Middle East they'll also tell you how white they are.

Not all Americans agree with that statement. The alt right definitely wouldn't. And race as a concept isn't as strong in the middle east as it is here. They fight over other made up stuff there like religion. Or borders.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No, not at all. Black people were a forcibly imported proletariat who labored so that settlers didn't have to. https://readsettlers.org/ has good info on this subject

I mean, African Americans who migrated to Liberia did end up mistreating a lot of the natives.

That goes against the narrative of white people being the boogeyman and black unity. We can't have complex history.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I support that the more superior races and nations should guide the inferior ones to better future but not to enslave them or something.

Oh god, here come the IQ charts

Nah, the IQ doesn’t measure a thing. However, differences in other socioeconomical factors and things like psycho genetics (idk how to translate that in English but in Russian it’s called «психогенетика») reveal much more.

[Kowani]

So then basically everyone who isn't black or native American is a colonizer.

Basically yes. Though Ive heard compelling arguments that many individual immigrants post-gilded age are colonized, but I haven't read enough on it.
https://readsettlers.org/ has a lot of good info

oh dear god
it's not really accurate to say that everyone who isn't black or indigenous is a colonizer, but it's definitely true that the irish benefited from white supremacy
for that matter, not all asian groups fit into america's racial hierarchy in the same way, though the distinction here is largely cultural as opposed to legal
Filipinos, for example, occupy a lower place on the totem pole than most East Asian groups do

Just leave them alone would be a better move.

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

personally, i'm anti-genocide
but that seems to be an indelible part of colonialism

[Immortan Khan]

Actually basically only the indigenous people aren't colonizers.

No, not at all. Black people were a forcibly imported proletariat who labored so that settlers didn't have to. https://readsettlers.org/ has good info on this subject

That doesn't excuse the disproportionate role played by black American settlers during the post-ACW frontier era which came as a result of ethnic cleansing and genocidal campaigns waged by the US Army.

[Immortan Khan]

No, not at all. Black people were a forcibly imported proletariat who labored so that settlers didn't have to. https://readsettlers.org/ has good info on this subject

I mean, African Americans who migrated to Liberia did end up mistreating a lot of the natives.

Reading the diaries of former Buffalo Soldiers and how they talked about indigenous people is a helluva trip.

[Salus Maior]

Just leave them alone would be a better move.

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

Which, again, didn't really happen.

It's a relationship involving a massive power-imbalance, for the purpose of extending the colonizer's power for various reasons (economic, military, prestige, etc). That's not a recipe for mutually beneficial relationship anymore than pedophillic relationships are. It's a relationship meant for the enrichment of one party at the expense of the other.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

No, social Darwinism believes that the superiors should thrive at the expense of the inferiors. My believes, I hope you understand, are nowhere near this. Mainly because religion.

That's what Colonialism is.

Well than I gues my views are “mutually beneficial” colonialism.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That's what Colonialism is.

Well than I gues my views are “mutually beneficial” colonialism.

That's as real as race itself.

[Hanunah]

Just leave them alone would be a better move.

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

You realize that the "civilization" you laud so much is nothing but the oppressive structures originally built to maintain ancient debt slavery, right? The structures that maintained serfdom? The structures that today maintain wage slavery?

Like, all of the "civilized" world began with someone declaring land belonged exclusively to them, threatening to kill anyone who disagreed with them, and then enslaving people to work on it. An "uncivilized" society (read: hunter-gatherer society), is just one where the people rightfully said no to these ancient bigwigs who tried to declare private property.

[Suriyanakhon]

Just leave them alone would be a better move.

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

I mean, hypothetically, yes, because those kill a lot less people than modern firearms. But it's nonsense because a lot of the places colonized were part of even older civilizations than the Western powers and had adopted firearms from trade (such as the Kingdom of Burma).

[The Reformed American Republic]

I believe the latter statement, but not the former, unless you just want to look hip in front of the left.

No, I'm being dead serious. I am very much a right-winger.

Because you're a monarchist and a Christian? Doesn't make you right wing.

[Suriyanakhon]

No, I'm being dead serious. I am very much a right-winger.

Because you're a monarchist and a Christian? Doesn't make you right wing.

... yes. Being a monarchist very much does make someone right-wing.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I dont think alot of people here understand what a hierarchy is or how it functions.

[Immortan Khan]

Yeah. And if you go to the Middle East they'll also tell you how white they are.

Not all Americans agree with that statement. The alt right definitely wouldn't. And race as a concept isn't as strong in the middle east as it is here. They fight over other made up stuff there like religion. Or borders.

It's still a relevant concept in the ME. Among the reasons a family friend prefers living in Canada instead of Saudi Arabia is that, for him, he faces less prejudice for being black in Canada than in Saudi Arabia.

[Kowani]

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

You realize that the "civilization" you laud so much is nothing but the oppressive structures originally built to maintain ancient debt slavery, right? The structures that maintained serfdom? The structures that today maintain wage slavery?

yeah he doesn't care

Like, all of the "civilized" world began with someone declaring land belonged exclusively to them, threatening to kill anyone who disagreed with them, and then enslaving people to work on it. An "uncivilized" society (read: hunter-gatherer society), is just one where the people rightfully said no to these ancient bigwigs who tried to declare private property.

...what

That's what Colonialism is.

Well than I gues my views are “mutually beneficial” colonialism.

"Mutually Beneficial Colonialism, and other lies you can tell yourself"

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's Maoist third worldism. First-worlders are not proletariat, support for the Khmer regime are other forms of crap they believe in. They're pretty hateful.

I can say with certainty those are not real leftists. They're just third world fascism.

They're leftist alright. Their worldview is definitely a distorted form of leftism.

[Hanunah]

No, not at all. Black people were a forcibly imported proletariat who labored so that settlers didn't have to. https://readsettlers.org/ has good info on this subject

That doesn't excuse the disproportionate role played by black American settlers during the post-ACW frontier era which came as a result of ethnic cleansing and genocidal campaigns waged by the US Army.

Yes, there were opportunists in the black community who attempted to gain their own American Dream. There were black slave owners of course.

This does not change the fact that settler society requires divvying up people into nations (or races in this case), and thus treating people according to their race.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Not all Americans agree with that statement. The alt right definitely wouldn't. And race as a concept isn't as strong in the middle east as it is here. They fight over other made up stuff there like religion. Or borders.

It's still a relevant concept in the ME. Among the reasons a family friend prefers living in Canada instead of Saudi Arabia is that, for him, he faces less prejudice for being black in Canada than in Saudi Arabia.

I wouldn't say the middle east is a bastion of racial tolerance but in the middle east they're pretty prejudiced toward anyone. The Lebanese don't want Palestinians in their country. The Saudis shit all over foreign guestworkers. The Egyptians wish the Libyan would leave. Etc etc.

[Immortan Khan]

Because you're a monarchist and a Christian? Doesn't make you right wing.

... yes. Being a monarchist very much does make someone right-wing.

I'm also not opposed to socioeconomic hierarchies (shit I'm rich myself) and I'm pretty elitist in a number of ways.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

And not let them experience all the goods of the civilization? Let them continue fighting with spears and bows? I do believe that sometimes good things have to be pushed down one’s throat, even if they resist. Furthermore, I don’t believe in all honesty that mutually beneficial colonizer-colonized relationships are impossible.

You realize that the "civilization" you laud so much is nothing but the oppressive structures originally built to maintain ancient debt slavery, right? The structures that maintained serfdom? The structures that today maintain wage slavery?

Like, all of the "civilized" world began with someone declaring land belonged exclusively to them, threatening to kill anyone who disagreed with them, and then enslaving people to work on it. An "uncivilized" society (read: hunter-gatherer society), is just one where the people rightfully said no to these ancient bigwigs who tried to declare private property.

Ah, here we have the leftist theory of the emergence of the state. Fascinating. Well, Soviet Union, some policies of which I laud (won’t talk about this here, don’t want to get DEAT’ed!), tried to fight some of these elements with limited success. IMO Kirov was pretty based.

Well, some force is needed to ensure that everything goes as planned. I’ve stated before that my views center around the good of the proletariat of MY country, with the proletariat of the other nations coming in the second place because reasons I will not discuss here because no time.