White Supremacy discussion thread

[Senkaku]

reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

lower belief strata are more strongly driven by/able to grasp group interests as orientation guides in political space rather than more complex and abstract ideology, and being less educated and having less free time (as one is and does if you're stuck in poverty or the margins of the working class) tend to land you in lower belief strata

[Saiwania]

Because remember, education isn't important to Sai.

I value education more if and only if it can directly result in higher income or greater financial/economic prospects. The problem with education is that asides from being so expensive- so much of it is liberal propaganda or nonsense, as opposed to what can be actually useful. Its boring for many people, but nonetheless; going into the Financial/Legal/Medical fields is seemingly an example of an (almost) sure ticket to economic stability or prosperity if someone can manage to get qualified for such a job and actually land a good paying role.

What you want to do should come secondary to what actually results in someone becoming rich enough to afford the luxury of not worrying about when or how they're going to get paid. Wealth and material riches are the only things that truly matter in this world. Everything else, is just a delusion for those who can't get to such a level or are trapped in a life of mediocrity or wage slavery. The one certainty in this life is that a rich person stands above and conquers all in their path.

The common metric for a parent having "succeeded" in raising a child in most societies, is if the child went on to accomplish more or became richer than their parents objectively speaking.

[San Lumen]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-esto ... 4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

[-SARS-]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-estonian-population-grows-because-of-immigration/?fbclid=IwAR3bKvOmgjiEV38vKKsH6z55oetFQ9WtKw87irDrYzcyaol2P4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

Do you really think any white supremacist is going to be impressed by that? They see non-white population growth as a problem.

[Austreylia]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-estonian-population-grows-because-of-immigration/?fbclid=IwAR3bKvOmgjiEV38vKKsH6z55oetFQ9WtKw87irDrYzcyaol2P4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

Oh, well as long as Estonia is repopulated with a bunch of foreigners, that's great.

[Kubra]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-estonian-population-grows-because-of-immigration/?fbclid=IwAR3bKvOmgjiEV38vKKsH6z55oetFQ9WtKw87irDrYzcyaol2P4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

Oh, well as long as Estonia is repopulated with a bunch of foreigners, that's great.

the margin was very slim. 3k is, as they say, a drop in the bucket.

[Lacral]

white supremacists have no right to express their views. their sole existence is to impose unfair & wrong stereotypes, as well as & harmful insults against a group because of their skin color.

[Austreylia]

white supremacists have no right to express their views.

*BZZZZZZZZZZZ*

Incorrect!

[The Alma Mater]

white supremacists have no right to express their views.

*BZZZZZZZZZZZ*

Incorrect!

Perhaps the question is: why should they have such rights ?

[Saiwania]

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

I'd prefer for Estonia's population to shrink if the alternative is that Estonia becomes less Estonian over time. If Estonia's economy has to shrink because there are fewer people and fewer things that need to be produced or allocated, so be it. We should welcome the prospect of reducing the carbon footprint and etc that's correlated with having population growth. The planet is largely at carrying capacity, so the problems are instead primarily with those places that still have high fertility.

[San Lumen]

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

I'd prefer for Estonia's population to shrink if the alternative is that Estonia becomes less Estonian over time. If Estonia's economy has to shrink because there are fewer people and fewer things that need to be produced or allocated, so be it. We should welcome the prospect of reducing the carbon footprint and etc that's correlated with having population growth. The planet is largely at carrying capacity, so the problems are instead primarily with those places that still have high fertility.

What is an Estonian? I could also ask what makes a someone a German, Briton, American or Canadian? Is someone non white less of a citizen of those countries?

Im all for reducing carbon footprint. A aging population is also a problem. Japan has a serious issue with that.

[Austreylia]

What is an Estonian? I could also ask what makes a someone a German, Briton, American or Canadian? Is someone non white less of a citizen of those countries?

I can predict this going down the route of "white nations have no culture".

[San Lumen]

What is an Estonian? I could also ask what makes a someone a German, Briton, American or Canadian? Is someone non white less of a citizen of those countries?

I can predict this going down the route of "white nations have no culture".

I didn't say that at all. It's the notion that someone whose not white is less of a citizen then someone who is that I have a problem with.

[Kubra]

What is an Estonian? I could also ask what makes a someone a German, Briton, American or Canadian? Is someone non white less of a citizen of those countries?

I can predict this going down the route of "white nations have no culture".

I don't think that's what he's saying, man. I think he's getting at culture not being, you know, genetic memory.

[Elwher]

*BZZZZZZZZZZZ*

Incorrect!

Perhaps the question is: why should they have such rights ?

Because the truth or falsehood of an idea is exposed only if the idea is expressed to the wider world.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Perhaps the question is: why should they have such rights ?

Because the truth or falsehood of an idea is exposed only if the idea is expressed to the wider world.

i think that discouraging/banning white supremacists from expressing their views would be a pretty good indicator that they're false. allowing the idea to be spread just exposes more people to it, letting them be harmed by it or even accept it and go on to harm others.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Because the truth or falsehood of an idea is exposed only if the idea is expressed to the wider world.

i think that discouraging/banning white supremacists from expressing their views would be a pretty good indicator that they're false. allowing the idea to be spread just exposes more people to it, letting them be harmed by it or even accept it and go on to harm others.

Like how banning socialism disproves socialism? Banning things doesn't prove anything other than you don't like it.

[Herzpunkt]

i think that discouraging/banning white supremacists from expressing their views would be a pretty good indicator that they're false. allowing the idea to be spread just exposes more people to it, letting them be harmed by it or even accept it and go on to harm others.

Like how banning socialism disproves socialism? Banning things doesn't prove anything other than you don't like it.

'When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.'

[Esalia]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-estonian-population-grows-because-of-immigration/?fbclid=IwAR3bKvOmgjiEV38vKKsH6z55oetFQ9WtKw87irDrYzcyaol2P4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

This depends on white nationalists (or anyone, really) seeing population growth as an inherently good thing, especially if it comes from/involves anything other than white immigration.

Not exactly a slam-dunk against white nationalism.

[Prydania]

https://estonianworld.com/life/the-estonian-population-grows-because-of-immigration/?fbclid=IwAR3bKvOmgjiEV38vKKsH6z55oetFQ9WtKw87irDrYzcyaol2P4Hgo1c1SSo

Here’s proof of why white supremacy is bad. Estonia’s population grew as a result of immigration. It would have otherwise declined due to slowing birth rate.

This depends on white nationalists (or anyone, really) seeing population growth as an inherently good thing, especially if it comes from/involves anything other than white immigration.

Not exactly a slam-dunk against white nationalism.

The slam dunk against white nationalism is that it's grossly immoral to demonize, marginalize, discriminate, and harm people on the basis of race.

'When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.'

Got any more stock quotes to toss around?

[Herzpunkt]

This depends on white nationalists (or anyone, really) seeing population growth as an inherently good thing, especially if it comes from/involves anything other than white immigration.

Not exactly a slam-dunk against white nationalism.

The slam dunk against white nationalism is that it's grossly immoral to demonize, marginalize, discriminate, and harm people on the basis of race.

'When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.'

Got any more stock quotes to toss around?

Affirmative actions literally does all of those things against white people because of their race, hell, even in California we had a vote to limit how many white people were allowed on a board of directors of companys(you know, LITERAL systemic racism)

as for the quote, I can grab more if you like?

so yes, it is grossly immoral

[Prydania]

What is an Estonian? I could also ask what makes a someone a German, Briton, American or Canadian? Is someone non white less of a citizen of those countries?

I can predict this going down the route of "white nations have no culture".

White nations definitely have cultures.

Know who the most ignorant of the cultures of white nations are? White nationalists. Europe- and people from Europe- is not a monolithic whole. It's a collection of diverse, unique cultures. Plastering over that in the name of "whiteness" is not only a tactic used by white supremacists, it's actually marginalizing the distinct European cultural traditions that white nationalists claim they are trying to save.

As if they're even in danger anyway.

The slam dunk against white nationalism is that it's grossly immoral to demonize, marginalize, discriminate, and harm people on the basis of race.


Got any more stock quotes to toss around?

Affirmative actions literally does all of those things against white people because of their race, hell, even in California we had a vote to limit how many white people were allowed on a board of directors of companys(you know, LITERAL systemic racism)

I'm not sure what affirmative action has to do with white supremacy. Unless your argument is "racism is bad when it's directed at white people but good when it's directed at everyone else."
Other than that, this is a pretty clear attempt at goal post moving.

If you truly, honestly believe the things I said are grossly immoral than white nationalism ought to likewise be immoral to you. Instead you seem like you're making excuses for it.

as for the quote, I can grab more if you like?

I'd rather you debate with your own words rather than using someone else's pat sayings in an attempt to make yourself seem wiser than you are.

[Austreylia]

Affirmative actions literally does all of those things against white people because of their race, hell, even in California we had a vote to limit how many white people were allowed on a board of directors of companys(you know, LITERAL systemic racism)

Racism is very cool and socially acceptable if it's directed towards white people.

[Herzpunkt]

I can predict this going down the route of "white nations have no culture".

White nations definitely have cultures.

Know who the most ignorant of the cultures of white nations are? White nationalists. Europe- and people from Europe- is not a monolithic whole. It's a collection of diverse, unique cultures. Plastering over that in the name of "whiteness" is not only a tactic used by white supremacists, it's actually marginalizing the distinct European cultural traditions that white nationalists claim they are trying to save.

As if they're even in danger anyway.

Affirmative actions literally does all of those things against white people because of their race, hell, even in California we had a vote to limit how many white people were allowed on a board of directors of companys(you know, LITERAL systemic racism)

I'm not sure what affirmative action has to do with white supremacy. Unless your argument is "racism is bad when it's directed at white people but good when it's directed at everyone else."
Other than that, this is a pretty clear attempt at goal post moving.

If you truly, honestly believe the things I said are grossly immoral than white nationalism ought to likewise be immoral to you. Instead you seem like you're making excuses for it.

as for the quote, I can grab more if you like?

I'd rather you debate with your own words rather than using someone else's pat sayings to make yourself seem wiser than you are.

How does pointing out literal racist activity being perpetuated against American whites turn into "it's good when it's directed at non-whites" I never suggested or implyed anything of the sort.

and what "ought to be" isn't always so for people, White nationalists make some good points, Black Nationalists make some good points.

no pun intended but things are not always "black and white"

[San Lumen]

Affirmative actions literally does all of those things against white people because of their race, hell, even in California we had a vote to limit how many white people were allowed on a board of directors of companys(you know, LITERAL systemic racism)

Racism is very cool and socially acceptable if it's directed towards white people.

How are white people being discriminated against?