White Supremacy discussion thread

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

If radical is taken to mean a leftist or rightist, then I suppose so.

Fair enough.

How will you solve the problem though that the overhelming majority of people are, in your words, centrists or politically apathic and align with the system and its dominant ideology as long as their basic and other needs are somewhat satisfied by it?

If anyone could answer that, then leftism would have won out already. Occasionally there are crises when basic needs are no longer fulfilled, and radicals get a chance to break into the mainstream then.

[Rusozak]

Fair enough.

How will you solve the problem though that the overhelming majority of people are, in your words, centrists or politically apathic and align with the system and its dominant ideology as long as their basic and other needs are somewhat satisfied by it?

If anyone could answer that, then leftism would have won out already. Occasionally there are crises when basic needs are no longer fulfilled, and radicals get a chance to break into the mainstream then.

Well, that's the story of how just about every revolution starts. But how does this relate to white supremacy?

[Nakena]

If anyone could answer that, then leftism would have won out already. Occasionally there are crises when basic needs are no longer fulfilled, and radicals get a chance to break into the mainstream then.

Well, that's the story of how just about every revolution starts. But how does this relate to white supremacy?

Far-right groups asking themself exactly the same questions.

[Ayytaly]

If anyone could answer that, then leftism would have won out already. Occasionally there are crises when basic needs are no longer fulfilled, and radicals get a chance to break into the mainstream then.

Well, that's the story of how just about every revolution starts. But how does this relate to white supremacy?

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

[Rusozak]

Well, that's the story of how just about every revolution starts. But how does this relate to white supremacy?

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

That makes sense. Apathy and self interest tend to be at the core of how dictators rise in democracies and atrocities are perpetuated.

[San Lumen]

Well, that's the story of how just about every revolution starts. But how does this relate to white supremacy?

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

[Nakena]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

That makes sense. Apathy and self interest tend to be at the core of how dictators rise in democracies and atrocities are perpetuated.

Hitler was initially very popular. See the footage parts of this. I wouldn call that apathic. Apathy wasnt the reason for the rise of Hitler.

[Lady Victory]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

That makes sense. Apathy and self interest tend to be at the core of how dictators rise in democracies and atrocities are perpetuated.

Apathy is the death of democracy. A democratic society cannot afford to have an apathetic populace.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

Oh please you really think the Germans thought those Jews were being "relocated?" Relocation in Nazi vernacular had the same meaning as when your parents tell you your dog got sent to a happy farm.

[Rusozak]

That makes sense. Apathy and self interest tend to be at the core of how dictators rise in democracies and atrocities are perpetuated.

Hitler was initially very popular. See the footage parts of this. I wouldn call that apathic. Apathy wasnt the reason for the rise of Hitler.

Apathetic in general, no. But how many average Germans were fanatical devotees of the Nazi ideology and how many followed because the Nazis were producing results in improving their lives? How many Germans genuinely believed the Nazi racial beliefs, versus those that were just happy there was food on the table and were content to look the other way when target minorities where being rounded up and disappearing?

Oh, and the public definitely knew something was happening. When the government keeps talking about getting rid of certain types of people and those people start disappearing, people notice. Local communities around the camps could even smell the death and burning of bodies.

[Luminesa]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

This is a complicated bit. While the Holocaust in its entirety was somewhat hidden, people were very aware that Jewish people were being sent to ghettos, were hated by the government, and were taken away to work themselves to death. That much they knew. That said, there WERE exceptions of German citizens who sought to protect Jewish families, but anti-Jewish sentiment was at a fever-pitch and there were people who were definitely AWARE that things were going on.

[Nakena]

Apathetic in general, no. But how many average Germans were fanatical devotees of the Nazi ideology and how many followed because the Nazis were producing results in improving their lives? How many Germans genuinely believed the Nazi racial beliefs, versus those that were just happy there was food on the table and were content to look the other way when target minorities where being rounded up and disappearing?

Most people didn cared a lot about their ideology. It wasnt horribly popular, and the more gritty and edgy part that we like to focus on nowadays weren't exactly emphasised.

Oh, and the public definitely knew something was happening. When the government keeps talking about getting rid of certain types of people and those people start disappearing, people notice. Local communities around the camps could even smell the death and burning of bodies.

There was some limited knowledge. The Nazi government didn emphasised or propagated the mass killings, they tried a few times things like the Boycott in 1933 and as well euthansia actions were generally met with disapproval by the wider population. That, amongst other reasons, was why most extermination camps were placed in eastern europe far from western public perception, in what Timothy D. Snyder called the Bloodlands. Information reached germans nevertheless at is impossible to entirely conceal genocides of this scale, i mean you cant hide that.

[Nakena]

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

Oh please you really think the Germans thought those Jews were being "relocated?" Relocation in Nazi vernacular had the same meaning as when your parents tell you your dog got sent to a happy farm.

They were first brought to Theresienstadt, which was like the "nice camp" before it went to the east. As the holocauster went on, info slipped into germany over time what happened there as previously said its impossible to hide that. There were letters of wehrmacht soldiers, and them on vaccation who had witnessed (or participated) in the various atrocities in the bloodlands. So by 1942, 43 it was likely getting increasingly known...

https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust ... world-know

[Kowani]

Apathetic in general, no. But how many average Germans were fanatical devotees of the Nazi ideology and how many followed because the Nazis were producing results in improving their lives? How many Germans genuinely believed the Nazi racial beliefs, versus those that were just happy there was food on the table and were content to look the other way when target minorities where being rounded up and disappearing?

Most people didn cared a lot about their ideology. It wasnt horribly popular, and the more gritty and edgy part that we like to focus on nowadays weren't exactly emphasised.

Oh, and the public definitely knew something was happening. When the government keeps talking about getting rid of certain types of people and those people start disappearing, people notice. Local communities around the camps could even smell the death and burning of bodies.

There was some limited knowledge. The Nazi government didn emphasised or propagated the mass killings, they tried a few times things like the Boycott in 1933 and as well euthansia actions were generally met with disapproval by the wider population. That, amongst other reasons, was why most extermination camps were placed in eastern europe far from western public perception, in what Timothy D. Snyder called the Bloodlands. Information reached germans nevertheless at is impossible to entirely conceal genocides of this scale, i mean you cant hide that.

I mean
for all the horrors of the holocaust, you can't really extrapolate the german citizens' response to the euthanasia campaigns to it
differences in outgrouping, mostly
the old and disabled were still part of someone's family, they still had emotional ties
but the jews were scooped wholesale out of german society
whether or not they would have approved of the holocaust is a different matter, and one i'm not qualified to answer

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Oh please you really think the Germans thought those Jews were being "relocated?" Relocation in Nazi vernacular had the same meaning as when your parents tell you your dog got sent to a happy farm.

They were first brought to Theresienstadt, which was like the "nice camp" before it went to the east. As the holocauster went on, info slipped into germany over time what happened there as previously said its impossible to hide that. There were letters of wehrmacht soldiers, and them on vaccation who had witnessed (or participated) in the various atrocities in the bloodlands. So by 1942, 43 it was likely getting increasingly known...

https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust ... world-know

This is a major reason why big conspiracy theories are fake. When something of this magnitude is happening, it's impossible to conceal it.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

No doubt for the majority of the populace, but the glaring evidence of mass murder would have been obvious for anyone living in the area.

[Immortan Khan]

German citizens under the Nazi regime didn't do jack shit despite knowing that there were Poles and Jews being cooked alive in camps. Didn't want to risk becoming a traitor and forsake the state benefits of being an "Aryan" if they even made mention of the Untermensch in a positive light.

That kind of apathy facilitates extremism.

There is no evidence they knew. Most mainstream scholars say it was keep secret from the public.

That is simply not true. Tales of what was going on were circulating within German society from soldiers who were participating and either returned home or were righting home and their letters got past censors. In regards to Aktion T4, people were taking their relatives and friends out of asylums and hospitals to prevent their murders and organized opposition developed which led to its formal suspension (it informally continued in a sputtering manner for the rest of the war). While the full scale of it may not have been known or how systemic it was, they knew that scores of men, women, and children were being butchered for nothing else other than for who they were.

[Immortan Khan]

Most people didn cared a lot about their ideology. It wasnt horribly popular, and the more gritty and edgy part that we like to focus on nowadays weren't exactly emphasised.



There was some limited knowledge. The Nazi government didn emphasised or propagated the mass killings, they tried a few times things like the Boycott in 1933 and as well euthansia actions were generally met with disapproval by the wider population. That, amongst other reasons, was why most extermination camps were placed in eastern europe far from western public perception, in what Timothy D. Snyder called the Bloodlands. Information reached germans nevertheless at is impossible to entirely conceal genocides of this scale, i mean you cant hide that.

I mean
for all the horrors of the holocaust, you can't really extrapolate the german citizens' response to the euthanasia campaigns to it
differences in outgrouping, mostly
the old and disabled were still part of someone's family, they still had emotional ties
but the jews were scooped wholesale out of german society
whether or not they would have approved of the holocaust is a different matter, and one i'm not qualified to answer

Early on I would say most would probably approve of it but through the lens that it was a necessity for Germany to reach its potential as opposed to just wanting to wantonly slaughter people for the sake of it like some of the most die hard Nazis promoted.

[New yugoslavaia]

Good lord.
Has this really been going on for nearly 200 pages?

[Nakena]

Good lord.
Has this really been going on for nearly 200 pages?

It's a quite sucessfull thread.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I just finished reading about the British National Party and as Dumb Ideologies warned me, their position on anything is a mess. One minute they're talking about the British Racial nation made up of English, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, Cornish and Irish people and the next minute they're like "fuck the Irish." One moment they're fine with big business existing as long as it serves the state and the next moment they're nazbols and strasserists. One moment the division is between Caucasians and "negroids" and the next they're talking about Nordics and Armenoids and shit. Also they keep flipping on whether immigration from Eastern Europe is good or not. Someone needs to inform the BNP that they can't have a white ethnostate if they can't form a coherent ideology.

[Nakena]

I just finished reading about the British National Party and as Dumb Ideologies warned me, their position on anything is a mess. One minute they're talking about the British Racial nation made up of English, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, Cornish and Irish people and the next minute they're like "fuck the Irish." One moment they're fine with big business existing as long as it serves the state and the next moment they're nazbols and strasserists. One moment the division is between Caucasians and "negroids" and the next they're talking about Nordics and Armenoids and shit. Also they keep flipping on whether immigration from Eastern Europe is good or not. Someone needs to inform the BNP that they can't have a white ethnostate if they can't form a coherent ideology.

Afaik the BNP is pretty much dead anyways. So they don't have even a coherent party anymore.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I just finished reading about the British National Party and as Dumb Ideologies warned me, their position on anything is a mess. One minute they're talking about the British Racial nation made up of English, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, Cornish and Irish people and the next minute they're like "fuck the Irish." One moment they're fine with big business existing as long as it serves the state and the next moment they're nazbols and strasserists. One moment the division is between Caucasians and "negroids" and the next they're talking about Nordics and Armenoids and shit. Also they keep flipping on whether immigration from Eastern Europe is good or not. Someone needs to inform the BNP that they can't have a white ethnostate if they can't form a coherent ideology.

Afaik the BNP is pretty much dead anyways. So they don't have even a coherent party anymore.

Yeah no one has seen the BNP in a while.

[Suriyanakhon]

next they're talking about Nordics and Armenoids

Just wait until they learn that Welsh and Irish people were commonly considered non-Nordic according to racial """science."""

[Fahran]

Just wait until they learn that Welsh and Irish people were commonly considered non-Nordic according to racial """science."""

They're doing racism wrong. The Welsh are White. The Irish are Black in accordance with the one-drop rule. The Nords are Northeast Asian in accordance with the one-drop rule.