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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:59 pm

Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Well what you just said all but confirms you're a white nationalist. I mean you don't like hispanics and you call people jew puppets. You've got symptoms of white nationalism my guy. So when you're ready to prove you're actually a communist or social Democrat or something, you go ahead.

The closest “ist” I fit would be Anarchist. Or at least destruction of the system and nuclear annihilation of urban life.

that's just nihilism babe
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:00 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:The closest “ist” I fit would be Anarchist. Or at least destruction of the system and nuclear annihilation of urban life.

that's just nihilism babe


What do some have against urban life? Damn.
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North Washington Republic
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Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:02 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:The closest “ist” I fit would be Anarchist. Or at least destruction of the system and nuclear annihilation of urban life.

that's just nihilism babe


I’ve seen lots of white nationalists adopt nihilism ever since Trump was voted out of office because they didn’t get their ethno-state they thought Trump was going to give them.
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Conservative Republic Of Huang
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Ex-Nation

Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:04 pm

Probably a national-"anarchist"
Pro: Direct democracy, e-democracy, parliamentary sovereignty, state secularism, non-violent direct action (striking), police reform, syndicalism, democratic workplace management
Anti: Most types of representative democracy, ultra-nationalism, imperialism, autocratic workplace management, the state

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Suriyanakhon
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Founded: Apr 27, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:04 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Senkaku wrote:that's just nihilism babe


I’ve seen lots of white nationalists adopt nihilism ever since Trump was voted out of office because they didn’t get their ethno-state they thought Trump was going to give them.


Jokes on them, he was never going to give it to them anyway. :lol2:
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Senkaku wrote:that's just nihilism babe


What do some have against urban life? Damn.

demographics
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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Well what you just said all but confirms you're a white nationalist. I mean you don't like hispanics and you call people jew puppets. You've got symptoms of white nationalism my guy. So when you're ready to prove you're actually a communist or social Democrat or something, you go ahead.

The closest “ist” I fit would be Anarchist. Or at least destruction of the system and nuclear annihilation of urban life.


Exceptionally based, welcome to the gang.
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Fahran
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Founded: Nov 13, 2017
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Postby Fahran » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Uiiop wrote:In an ideal world people will do their own research, remove out their biases and find the truth about issues even if the only people arguing near me were only half or quarter truthing it. But we don't and acting under those guidelines isn't the same thing as denying there legitimate issues here.

We don't have to take up the same flag as Islamphobes and people who bitch about high school to point these bigger problems and nor should we.

Those little problems are no less symptomatic of the broader, overarching issue. They're an expression of the same paradigm and have a smaller, albeit still discernible, impact on the discourse as it is localized to personal experiences.

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Uiiop
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Founded: Jun 20, 2012
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Probably a national-"anarchist"

The fact some heavily confused adherent of that shit was a part of the normal anarchist scene was so fucked up it was funny.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
What do some have against urban life? Damn.

demographics


But go so far as to preach annihilation?
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
What do some have against urban life? Damn.

demographics

TIL Ko is a based ruralist.

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North Washington Republic
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Founded: Mar 13, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:06 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Probably a national-"anarchist"



Anarchism is literally means a “stateless”. You’re a hoot, you know that? :rofl:
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Fahran
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Founded: Nov 13, 2017
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Postby Fahran » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:08 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Anarchism is literally means a “stateless”. You’re a hoot, you know that? :rofl:

Depending on how you define nationalism, you could manage to be a nationalist while opposing the existence of the state. Racial nationalism is pretty cringe though.

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Conservative Republic Of Huang
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Founded: Jul 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:10 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Probably a national-"anarchist"



Anarchism is literally means a “stateless”. You’re a hoot, you know that? :rofl:

Look up national anarchism. I didn't make the word up. It refers to a certain type of very very confused ethnonationalists who got blackout drunk and accidentally stumbled into the anarchist side of the political spectrum.
Pro: Direct democracy, e-democracy, parliamentary sovereignty, state secularism, non-violent direct action (striking), police reform, syndicalism, democratic workplace management
Anti: Most types of representative democracy, ultra-nationalism, imperialism, autocratic workplace management, the state

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say syndicalism now, syndicalism tomorrow, syndicalism forever."
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Uiiop
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Posts: 8185
Founded: Jun 20, 2012
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Uiiop » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:11 pm

Fahran wrote:
Uiiop wrote:In an ideal world people will do their own research, remove out their biases and find the truth about issues even if the only people arguing near me were only half or quarter truthing it. But we don't and acting under those guidelines isn't the same thing as denying there legitimate issues here.

We don't have to take up the same flag as Islamphobes and people who bitch about high school to point these bigger problems and nor should we.

Those little problems are no less symptomatic of the broader, overarching issue. They're an expression of the same paradigm and have a smaller, albeit still discernible, impact on the discourse as it is localized to personal experiences.

Anecdotal data and a semantic debate about what one prefers to call themselves as are so minor i say it's irreverent even with your point

Like should i believe Night in the Woods is pro-facism or She-Ra is anti-men just because one person or a lot feel that way? People can be offended about something and have it be a "Them" problem not the work in itself. I'm not saying that's the case with Mr. Reformed here but I can't trust just his say-so on this.
#NSTransparency

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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:11 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Senkaku wrote:this is such a dumb and condescending take lmfao, the GOP's rebranding exercise as the party of the working class seems to basically be rhetorically premised on the concept that "real working class culture is being kind of bigoted just bc they don't know better"

this is Vance-tier shit and it all leads in the direction of "I'm definitely not an elite guys! I'm working class ecksdee! I just have assloads of money and hang out in elite circles and get paid to tell the professional-managerial class that I am totally not a part of that the hicks are too stupid for real democracy!"

I don't doubt that corporations are more inclined to embrace social progressivism because it's less damaging to them than economic progressivism but this appeal to traditionalism is just trite.


I mean you could answer to MY actual post.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:demographics


But go so far as to preach annihilation?


It's actually not a terribly uncommon theme amongst extreme environmental circles. I've encountered more than a few people who believe the majority of the human species need to be culled to get things under control and prevent total biosphere collapse.
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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:13 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:demographics


But go so far as to preach annihilation?


I mean he said earlier he's just 18. It's not too uncommon to hate the whole world around that age tbh or simply being in an existential dread phase.

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Uiiop
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Founded: Jun 20, 2012
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:14 pm

Nakena wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I don't doubt that corporations are more inclined to embrace social progressivism because it's less damaging to them than economic progressivism but this appeal to traditionalism is just trite.


I mean you could answer to MY actual post.

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the article from the anti-pagan/drag queen guy and not your arguments.

Maybe they should focus on your own words but was he really the best choice for your point?
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
But go so far as to preach annihilation?


It's actually not a terribly uncommon theme amongst extreme environmental circles. I've encountered more than a few people who believe the majority of the human species need to be culled to get things under control and prevent total biosphere collapse.


Here comes Thanos…

I’ll be the first to agree that we need to do everything in our power to conserve and clean the mess we’ve made on Earth. I just don’t think annihilating is necessary. But I digress.

To go back to Kowani’s demographics and urban life point: egalitarianism to me seems like the way to go.

Edit: equalize really. Let’s create the opportunities for diversity of demographics in urban life.

I can’t type anymore. Allergy medication makes me dumb. Sorry.
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North Washington Republic
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Founded: Mar 13, 2021
Ex-Nation

Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:17 pm

Fahran wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Anarchism is literally means a “stateless”. You’re a hoot, you know that? :rofl:

Depending on how you define nationalism, you could manage to be a nationalist while opposing the existence of the state. Racial nationalism is pretty cringe though.


I agree. White nationalists don’t like people like you and I. You’re Jewish and I’m mixed race. But what I don’t understand is that they get confused when they dealt the same shit they give out.
I’m a Wesleyan Christian center-left American Patriot. 29 year-old male and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, neoconservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, LGBTQIA rights, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
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North Washington Republic
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Ex-Nation

Postby North Washington Republic » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Nakena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
But go so far as to preach annihilation?


I mean he said earlier he's just 18. It's not too uncommon to hate the whole world around that age tbh or simply being in an existential dread phase.


When I was 18, I hated the world as well. I was a insufferable little shit back that. I was surprised anyone was friends with me.
I’m a Wesleyan Christian center-left American Patriot. 29 year-old male and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, neoconservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, LGBTQIA rights, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
Economic Left/Right: -0.75. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.67
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Conservative Republic Of Huang
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Ex-Nation

Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:19 pm

Nakena wrote:
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:I don't doubt that corporations are more inclined to embrace social progressivism because it's less damaging to them than economic progressivism but this appeal to traditionalism is just trite.


I mean you could answer to MY actual post.

If you want my opinion, it's that I disagree with some methods and the whole style and they sort of sideline the class war which is why corporations feel comfortable doing something like that. But I think a lot of the problem is the disconnect between academic theory esp. academic terminology and typical life. Academia isn't very good at choosing their terminology, which is why ppl understandably are horrified by what progressivism seems to stand for before they delve a little deeper into what it means beyond misleading slogans.

As an example, I remember a while back a feminist scholar got in trouble for writing that trans women raped female (identity) or something. A TERF to be sure, but in the context of feminist theory, "rape" is just a overused verb that means anything and everything (i mean when it is used out of the context of the physical act), but to the common person, it sounds like a genuine accusation.
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Pro: Direct democracy, e-democracy, parliamentary sovereignty, state secularism, non-violent direct action (striking), police reform, syndicalism, democratic workplace management
Anti: Most types of representative democracy, ultra-nationalism, imperialism, autocratic workplace management, the state

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say syndicalism now, syndicalism tomorrow, syndicalism forever."
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:19 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I mean he said earlier he's just 18. It's not too uncommon to hate the whole world around that age tbh or simply being in an existential dread phase.


When I was 18, I hated the world as well. I was a insufferable little shit back that. I was surprised anyone was friends with me.


But did you grow out of it? That’s the thing.
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Fahran
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:20 pm

Uiiop wrote:Anecdotal data and a semantic debate about what one prefers to call themselves as are so minor i say it's irreverent even with your point

Like should i believe Night in the Woods is pro-facism or She-Ra is anti-men just because one person or a lot feel that way?

It depends on the quality of the argument linking those anecdotes to a broader statistical or ideological trend. We could, of course, absolutely study the impact of these media on audiences or parse through the messages and themes present in them. That's pretty rudimentary literary analysis and statistics.

Uiiop wrote:People can be offended about something and have it be a "Them" problem not the work in itself. I'm not saying that's the case with Mr. Reformed here but I can't trust just his say-so on this.

Fair enough.

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