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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
484
37%
Depends
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21%
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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:54 am

Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.

Why, though? What's with the endless focusing?
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Postby Fahran » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:05 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.

Why, though? What's with the endless focusing?

You know why.

Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.

I agree. We're the master race. Well, after the Kentucky Derby.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:11 am

Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.


They made bagels so they’re good with me.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:17 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.


They made bagels so they’re good with me.

this implies that we can get salus to hate ethnic groups by giving him bad food...
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:21 am

Kowani wrote:this implies that we can get salus to hate ethnic groups by giving him bad food...

I feel so bad for the Inuit.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:24 am

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:this implies that we can get salus to hate ethnic groups by giving him bad food...

I feel so bad for the Inuit.

...i don't think we should make him eat whale
i have an objection to this
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Viennaria
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Postby Viennaria » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:26 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kowani wrote:i mean
this is a noble goal, though i'm not fully certain what "balance out the economy" means
...in the US, it is really hard to accomplish, thanks to
a lot of different factors and historical disparities that echo down to to the present day
(those disparities than echo in a chicken-and-egg style loop, making solving them even harder)


I meant redistributing some of the overpaid ceo and executives to the populous. The rich have been hording money for years, paying little to no tax.

It would do better in the hands of the poor and middle class.

Not doing too much, I don't hate the rich tbh. Let them have millions and even billions.

But they can do with a bit less and poor and middle class people can do with more.

That sounds like a good idea on paper. However, that encourages the poor to stop working, as they get money either way. Even if not, it is a slippery slope. The rich stop working as hard because they're just getting their money taken away from them. Then nobody is working, nothing is getting produced, and the economy crashes. The only way that economy wouldn't destroy a country is if jobs were mandated by an authoritarian government.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:36 am

Viennaria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I meant redistributing some of the overpaid ceo and executives to the populous. The rich have been hording money for years, paying little to no tax.

It would do better in the hands of the poor and middle class.

Not doing too much, I don't hate the rich tbh. Let them have millions and even billions.

But they can do with a bit less and poor and middle class people can do with more.

That sounds like a good idea on paper. However, that encourages the poor to stop working, as they get money either way. Even if not, it is a slippery slope. The rich stop working as hard because they're just getting their money taken away from them. Then nobody is working, nothing is getting produced, and the economy crashes. The only way that economy wouldn't destroy a country is if jobs were mandated by an authoritarian government.

this...is not borne out by anything in the economics literature
for a top marginal income tax, your optimum rate is about 80 to 83%, while for capital gains taxes, it's from 38 to 47%
until you hit that, you're not going to start seeing the rich work less because of incentives-though they'll certainly claim it

..giving the poor more money, or boosting aggregate demand, is quite literally the cornerstone of the modern economy (though a Job Guarantee is an economically great idea anyway for other reasons)
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The united states of sonindia
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Postby The united states of sonindia » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:40 am

i believe that white supremacists can not express views against other races, we must understand that all are equal and one cant not express views attacking other races or genders

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Viennaria
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Postby Viennaria » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:43 am

The united states of sonindia wrote:i believe that white supremacists can not express views against other races, we must understand that all are equal and one cant not express views attacking other races or genders

Though at the same time that implies that White Supremacists, though evil, are not equal. Free speech means free speech, and even not giving it to white supremacists leads a country down a very slippery slope.
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Conservative Republic Of Huang
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:07 pm

Viennaria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I meant redistributing some of the overpaid ceo and executives to the populous. The rich have been hording money for years, paying little to no tax.

It would do better in the hands of the poor and middle class.

Not doing too much, I don't hate the rich tbh. Let them have millions and even billions.

But they can do with a bit less and poor and middle class people can do with more.

That sounds like a good idea on paper. However, that encourages the poor to stop working, as they get money either way. Even if not, it is a slippery slope. The rich stop working as hard because they're just getting their money taken away from them. Then nobody is working, nothing is getting produced, and the economy crashes. The only way that economy wouldn't destroy a country is if jobs were mandated by an authoritarian government.

As it turns out, your argument, which is also on paper for that matter, is not borne out by empirics. The Laffer Curve peaks somewhere in the region of 70%, which is far far higher than the effective tax rate for the upper class. By the way, that's not marginal tax rate.

Your poor person thing is just a variation on the usual argument that increased welfare increases the unemployment rate, which is not borne out by empirics. See this. Note that they're a right-wing libertarian think tank, so the fact that even they couldn't find any significant effect is pretty solid evidence.

Also, as Kowani mentioned, aggregate demand would permanently increase since the lower class has a higher marginal propensity to consume.
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Suriyanakhon
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
They made bagels so they’re good with me.

this implies that we can get salus to hate ethnic groups by giving him bad food...


So, racism against Anglos?

Speaking as an Anglo-American, based.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:02 pm

Nousa wrote:The fact you immediately brought in horse gambling is hilarious.

I'm a horse girl. What did any of y'all expect?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:03 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Kowani wrote:this implies that we can get salus to hate ethnic groups by giving him bad food...


So, racism against Anglos?

Speaking as an Anglo-American, based.

This is…Unfortunately accurate
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
So, racism against Anglos?

Speaking as an Anglo-American, based.

This is…Unfortunately accurate

Anglo cooking is not supreme.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:56 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.


They made bagels so they’re good with me.


Jews made bagels??????

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pm

Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.


The Jews have been living rent free in the heads of white supremacists since the beginning of the 20th century. When are they gonna charge them money for their stay in their brains?
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Postby New Zoigai » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:59 pm

As long as they arent harassing anyone or being violent, They can be prideful of their heritage.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:36 pm

New Zoigai wrote:As long as they arent harassing anyone or being violent, They can be prideful of their heritage.


Harassing other races usually comes with the territory of any kind of racial supremacism.
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:48 pm

Rusozak wrote:
New Zoigai wrote:As long as they arent harassing anyone or being violent, They can be prideful of their heritage.


Harassing other races usually comes with the territory of any kind of racial supremacism.

Supremacy implies domination, being at the top of a pecking order, so that's true. It should be separate from simply being proud.

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:23 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nousa wrote:We need to talk about the Jews, anon.


The Jews have been living rent free in the heads of white supremacists since the beginning of the 20th century. When are they gonna charge them money for their stay in their brains?


Me when people say the Jews run the world.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:37 pm

Nousa wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Why, though? What's with the endless focusing?


55 of the top political donors in 2020 were Jewish, 40% of Biden's cabinet is Jewish; I don't have the statistics for Trump's but, if we're being honest, it was the same or probably even higher with only turnover obscuring this. Want to talk about the 1% and how America is an oligarchy? You might want to look up how 18 of the 25 wealthiest hedge fund owners are Jewish or how BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street-which are either run by Jews or include Jews in many if not most of their senior positions-have a majority stake in 90% of the S&P 500. We could also bring up how virtually all of the media and social media is either owned, managed or have Jews in most of their senior positions.

Take in note, Jews only compromise 2% or so of the U.S. population. Do you see an issue here?


Yes, capitalism. Can't really blame Jews for being powerful given the massive head start Christians gave them when it came to things like banking.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nousa wrote:
55 of the top political donors in 2020 were Jewish, 40% of Biden's cabinet is Jewish; I don't have the statistics for Trump's but, if we're being honest, it was the same or probably even higher with only turnover obscuring this. Want to talk about the 1% and how America is an oligarchy? You might want to look up how 18 of the 25 wealthiest hedge fund owners are Jewish or how BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street-which are either run by Jews or include Jews in many if not most of their senior positions-have a majority stake in 90% of the S&P 500. We could also bring up how virtually all of the media and social media is either owned, managed or have Jews in most of their senior positions.

Take in note, Jews only compromise 2% or so of the U.S. population. Do you see an issue here?


Yes, capitalism. Can't really blame Jews for being powerful given the massive head start Christians gave them when it came to things like banking.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:45 pm

Nousa wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Jews have been living rent free in the heads of white supremacists since the beginning of the 20th century. When are they gonna charge them money for their stay in their brains?


It has not escaped my notice-and others for that matter-that you Side stepped a lot of the questions I’ve asked you in this thread. I think you realize deep down that you’ve stumbled upon a terrible truth and the only thing you can do to ease the cognitive dissonance is snarky replies. That is okay because eventually you won’t be able to avoid the niggling feeling of realization.


Haven't side stepped anything. Others have already discredited most if not all of the white supremacist pseudoscience here. As for your obsession with the Jews, this may come as a surprise to you but most jews are not part of the financial establishment of America and they certainly don't have some community level conspiracy to destroy white America.

I haven't stumbled upon any truths. Only more lies spread by the fascists.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:50 pm

Nousa wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Haven't side stepped anything. Others have already discredited most if not all of the white supremacist pseudoscience here. As for your obsession with the Jews, this may come as a surprise to you but most jews are not part of the financial establishment of America and they certainly don't have some community level conspiracy to destroy white America.

I haven't stumbled upon any truths. Only more lies spread by the fascists.


But you have, and that's why you again resort to snark without substance to hide this fact. Case in point:
Nousa wrote:
I'll ask you the same question I asked the other user: do you believe there is White Supremacy in our institutions that serves as an informal block on the economic success of POC? We've had the 1964 Civil Rights Act to prevent any legal, formal discrimination for almost 60 years now.


And again:

Nousa wrote:
I asked you first, my friend. :)


First off Im pretty sure I answered that second question. The answer is yes, systemic bias still exists in American law enforcement and governance.

As for your second question, an oppressor is anyone who seeks to trample on the individual rights of others and their dignity. I know you probably thought I was gonna say "white people," but I'm not prejudiced against people for their skin color :roll: unlike a few of the posters here.
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