White Supremacy discussion thread

[Oakburn]

Yes, it should. Free speech is one of, if not the most important, tenets of free society.

How about controlled free speech?

That's not free speech then.

Controlled free speech is the equivalent of controlling a market and calling it capitalism.

[The New California Republic]

in germany any portrayal of nazism is illegal. does that mean there aren't nazis in germany? no but there's certainly alot less of them there then use to be

Or rather we think there are a lot less, but we can not honestly tell because the portrayal of Nazism is illegal there.

Not really, it's pretty obvious by the other types of flags that they use to skirt round the rules.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

How about controlled free speech?

that's not free speech

So basically no harassment.

[Atheris]

Another wow moment lol

Yup an ideology that rejects capitalism must be capitalist!

you mean like china? cause that's exactly what they are. do you know what capitalism means? do you understand that state capitalism is still capitalism right? unless you're talking about fascism (which if you are that's hilarious cause fascism is inheritly capitalist) -snip-

"State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial economic activity (i.e. for-profit) and where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, centralized management and wage labor), or where there is otherwise a dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along business-management practices) or of public companies such as publicly listed corporations in which the state has controlling shares."

Wow. Wow, this is literally such a bad take.

Corporatism is not corporatocracy. The fascist idea of corporatism is the control of select bodies over industries. What these bodies are is dependent on the ideology. Corporatism doesn't mean capitalism; socialist corporatism exists in the form of syndicalism. Like most economic ideologies, the idea of corporatism supersedes political ideologies, as it exists in fascism, capitalism, and socialism. The reason for fascist corporatism and control over the economy isn't for profit, like you claim, but instead for control.

Plus, the quote you provided is (likely) fake. It doesn't show up in any of Mussolini's speeches or writings. Here's some of his actual quotes on capitalism.

"We affirm that the true story of capitalism is now beginning, because capitalism is not a system of oppression only, but is also a selection of values, a coordination of hierarchies, a more amply developed sense of individual responsibility." (June 21, 1921)

"Today we can affirm that the capitalistic method of production is out of date. So is the doctrine of laissez-faire, the theoretical basis of capitalism..." (November 14, 1933)

"Three-fourths of the Italian economy, industrial and agricultural, is in the hands of the state. And if I dare to introduce to Italy state capitalism or state socialism, which is the reverse side of the medal, I will have the necessary subjective and objective conditions to do it." (May 26, 1934)

Here, have some of Hitler's, too!

"We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free." (April 12, 1922)

"It is already war history how the German Armies defeated the legions of capitalism and plutocracy. After forty-five days this campaign in the West was equally and emphatically terminated." (April 6, 1941)

"On one side we find the exponents of democracy, that is Jewish capitalism with all its deadweight of obsolete political theories and parliamentary corruption, its out-moded social order..." (April 26, 1942)

[Atheris]

I see you've never had Chick-fil-A.

In Orlando, 2018. I, a mere tourist from the UK, went in to see if it they tasted good enough to throw around that homophobic BS

It didn't

Wendys absolutely slapped though. Their honey mustard was ORGASMIC

Also a lot of creole seafood vendors in Key West that i never expected to see there. I thought it was a Louisana thing. DE - VINE.

Wendy's fucking sucks.

[Senkaku]

Why do you think there should be such a distinction? If speech is so abhorrent that private citizens don't want to associate with it or further its spread in their own lives, why shouldn't they come together as a self-governing collective to agree on banning its public expression? Why would it be "more" wrong for the state to join in the fun? Again: this is something plenty of Western democracies already do without being much worse for wear.

"Cancel culture" and banning someone off a social media site are two different things. Like I said Private, they own the website they make the rules. *

(*of course obvious things apply)

...I don’t even know what to make of this. Now you’re on some incoherent tangent about “cancel culture”? I asked you a pretty straightforward question, which you can re-read; if you don’t have an answer or need some time to think about it that’s fine.

The entire concept of their ideology is premised on advocating for ethnic cleansing and eugenics. You cannot "just" believe in white supremacy; if you subscribe to an ideology you subscribe to the beliefs that logically follow from it (and which have been articulated explicitly and at great length by many of its thought leaders throughout history).

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There are numerous racists and nazis who do not act on their beliefs. You're making the false assumption that believing x should die = killing x.

This is like saying a pedophile who publicly advocates lowering the age of consent but doesn’t molest anyone themselves isn’t doing anything wrong. Political speech and organizing have real-world effects even if you aren’t participating in direct action.

[Vorausen]

Or rather we think there are a lot less, but we can not honestly tell because the portrayal of Nazism is illegal there.

Not really, it's pretty obvious by the other types of flags that they use to skirt round the rules.

Explain how Hate groups are declining in size but hate crimes are consistent in numbers (and is actually pretty high)? The reason is that hate is moving underground and is evolving. Hate and discrimination are not as obvious as before.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/01/us-hate-groups-decline-online-organizing-strengthened-report
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/935439777/fbi-report-bias-motivated-killings-at-record-high-amid-nationwide-rise-in-hate-c

[Alcala-Cordel]

Not really, it's pretty obvious by the other types of flags that they use to skirt round the rules.

Explain how Hate groups are declining in size but hate crimes are consistent in numbers (and is actually pretty high)? The reason is that hate is moving underground and is evolving. Hate and discrimination are not as obvious as before.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/01/us-hate-groups-decline-online-organizing-strengthened-report
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/935439777/fbi-report-bias-motivated-killings-at-record-high-amid-nationwide-rise-in-hate-c

which is exactly why racists shouldn't be allowed to express their views. We've gust moved to pretending racistm is a thing of the past while things continue to get worse due to racist propaganda

[The New California Republic]

Not really, it's pretty obvious by the other types of flags that they use to skirt round the rules.

Explain how Hate groups are declining in size but hate crimes are consistent in numbers (and is actually pretty high)? The reason is that hate is moving underground and is evolving. Hate and discrimination are not as obvious as before.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/01/us-hate-groups-decline-online-organizing-strengthened-report
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/935439777/fbi-report-bias-motivated-killings-at-record-high-amid-nationwide-rise-in-hate-c

You were talking about Germany, now you are talking about the US? No, those fucking goalposts stay right the fuck where they are.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

How about controlled free speech?

That's not free speech then.

Controlled free speech is the equivalent of controlling a market and calling it capitalism.

I meant regulated.

[Illu-chi]

Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

No, and I don't care that it's free speech. White supremacists have nothing good to contribute whatsoever.

In the future your view may be labeled as wrong and people might want to silence you as well so its best to not get a trend started.

[Alcala-Cordel]

No, and I don't care that it's free speech. White supremacists have nothing good to contribute whatsoever.

In the future your view may be labeled as wrong and people might want to silence you as well so its best to not get a trend started.

That's a logical fallacy.

[Dumb Ideologies]

That's not free speech then.

Controlled free speech is the equivalent of controlling a market and calling it capitalism.

I meant regulated.

I'll have to wait to comment until the end of the month or I might go over my social credit borrowing limit.

[Atheris]

That's not free speech then.

Controlled free speech is the equivalent of controlling a market and calling it capitalism.

I meant regulated.

That's still not free speech. It's either all or nothing.

[Salus Maior]

I meant regulated.

That's still not free speech.

Then free speech doesn’t actually exist anywhere and never has.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

No, and I don't care that it's free speech. White supremacists have nothing good to contribute whatsoever.

In the future your view may be labeled as wrong and people might want to silence you as well so its best to not get a trend started.

In that future people are all insane.

[Oakburn]

That's not free speech then.

Controlled free speech is the equivalent of controlling a market and calling it capitalism.

I meant regulated.

Regulated free speech is the same thing as controlled free speech,
Free Speech is Free Speech.

[Atheris]

That's still not free speech.

Then free speech doesn’t actually exist anywhere and never has.

Truly free speech? No, it hasn't. Free speech with minimal restrictions? The United States comes to mind, for one.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I meant regulated.

Regulated free speech is the same thing as controlled free speech,
Free Speech is Free Speech.

Then let's scrap it and make a new system. Btw, does Germany have free speech?

[Atheris]

Regulated free speech is the same thing as controlled free speech,
Free Speech is Free Speech.

Then let's scrap it and make a new system. Btw, does Germany have free speech?

With the amount of things it bans - political opinions (especially Nazism), explicit material, and material considered "indecent" - no, I don't think Germany has free speech. It censors too many things.

[Oakburn]

Regulated free speech is the same thing as controlled free speech,
Free Speech is Free Speech.

Then let's scrap it and make a new system. Btw, does Germany have free speech?

No, but given their history It's understandable.
Still wrong, but understandable.

[Cartheen]

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There are numerous racists and nazis who do not act on their beliefs. You're making the false assumption that believing x should die = killing x.

This is like saying a pedophile who publicly advocates lowering the age of consent but doesn’t molest anyone themselves isn’t doing anything wrong. Political speech and organizing have real-world effects even if you aren’t participating in direct action.

A majority do not go onto killing someone once they wish they were dead. People often say "I wish x died" after x screws them out of a job, or x gets them into a car crash, or when x betrays them. How many of those people actually go on to kill that person? Few. The same goes for race. People wish death upon someone all the time without killing them. It's ridiculous to imply they usually do when that's obviously not the case.

Also, comparing this to pedophiles who want to lower the age of consent but don't molest children is a total false equivalence.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Then let's scrap it and make a new system. Btw, does Germany have free speech?

No, but given their history It's understandable.
Still wrong, but understandable.

How about the UK?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

This is like saying a pedophile who publicly advocates lowering the age of consent but doesn’t molest anyone themselves isn’t doing anything wrong. Political speech and organizing have real-world effects even if you aren’t participating in direct action.

A majority do not go onto killing someone once they wish they were dead. People often say "I wish x died" after x screws them out of a job, or x gets them into a car crash, or when x betrays them. How many of those people actually go on to kill that person? Few. The same goes for race. People wish death upon someone all the time without killing them. It's ridiculous to imply they usually do when that's obviously not the case.

Also, comparing this to pedophiles who want to lower the age of consent but don't molest children is a total false equivalence.

It is a correct one, and please give proof that they don't hate crime that much?

[Atheris]

No, but given their history It's understandable.
Still wrong, but understandable.

How about the UK?

No.