White Supremacy discussion thread

[Suriyanakhon]

the Myanmar military, the Thai military and monarchy,

Unless global disarmament happens, it's pretty ridiculous to want a nation's military to disband, even if you think the ranks ought to be purged.

[Greater Cesnica]

the Myanmar military, the Thai military and monarchy,

Unless global disarmament happens, it's pretty ridiculous to want a nation's military to disband, even if you think the ranks ought to be purged.

GHK just went on one of his rants. I'm sure he wasn't considering things like that, just thinking of entities he despises.

[Alcala-Cordel]

White supremacists should be able to speak freely and raise funds for their despicable cause, but they mustn't be permitted in any liberal democracy to run for public office or form a political party along divisive racial or religious lines. Communism, fascism, Islamism, and other incompatible, illiberal, anti-democratic ideologies and policy platforms should be grounds for automatic disqualification.

Can you at least try to say fascism is bad without trying to 'both sides" your false equivalency? A few things worth noting:

-Communist democracies are a thing. Acting collectively is kind of a big point.
-the Communist Party USA doesn't even try to advocate for communism anymore, they're perpetually stuck advocating for lesser-evilism.
-communism isn't authoritarian.

In an ideal world, the American Nazi Party would be forcibly de-registered and banned while the KKK and other far-right terror cells would be dissolved and their members arrested on terrorism charges.

Absolutely

In an ideal democracy, So-called "Antifa", the Communist Party of the USA, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, the United Malays National Organization, Parti Islam se-Malaysia, the Chinese Communist Party, the "Democratic" Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong, the "Liberal" Party of Hong Kong, the British National Party, Golden Dawn, the Myanmar military, the Thai military and monarchy, and other hateful, intolerant, authoritarian, extremist groups whose stated goals contradict the fundamental principles of liberal democracy and/or whose existence and actions directly threaten the democratic order and the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens would all be outlawed on the spot.

This is just your first paragraph again

[The Reformed American Republic]

-communism isn't authoritarian.

It very much usually is, and not because wealthy people lose their silver spoons either.

[Alcala-Cordel]

White supremacists should be able to speak freely and raise funds for their despicable cause, but they mustn't be permitted in any liberal democracy to run for public office or form a political party along divisive racial or religious lines. Communism, fascism, Islamism, and other incompatible, illiberal, anti-democratic ideologies and policy platforms should be grounds for automatic disqualification.

In an ideal world, the American Nazi Party would be forcibly de-registered and banned while the KKK and other far-right terror cells would be dissolved and their members arrested on terrorism charges.

In an ideal democracy, So-called "Antifa", the Communist Party of the USA, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, the United Malays National Organization, Parti Islam se-Malaysia, the Chinese Communist Party, the "Democratic" Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong, the "Liberal" Party of Hong Kong, the British National Party, Golden Dawn, the Myanmar military, the Thai military and monarchy, and other hateful, intolerant, authoritarian, extremist groups whose stated goals contradict the fundamental principles of liberal democracy and/or whose existence and actions directly threaten the democratic order and the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens would all be outlawed on the spot.

If it’s ‘ideal’ for such parties not to exist why don’t we just cut them off from funding and free speech?

A lot of these parties are outside the jurisdiction of countries that believe in "free speech", but we absolutely should cut them off from public funding and free speech at the bare minimum.

[Alcala-Cordel]

-communism isn't authoritarian.

It very much usually is, and not because wealthy people lose their silver spoons either.

The existence of dictators that pretend to be communist is irrelevant.

[Alternate South Africa]

I don't mean to switch the topic or anything, I just wanted to ask a question. Is the old flag of South Africa considered racist? I know it was used during the era of apartheid, but it was technically created before apartheid came into existence.

[Nakena]

Case closed.

Oh True Refuge! Thank you for ascending from your break to come in this thread with the great intention to close the case. You are truly a shining example of progressivism and real communism TM!

But, no-thank-you for that pasta. It is not going to convince anybody in this thread... muahahahahaha!

It very much usually is, and not because wealthy people lose their silver spoons either.

The existence of dictators that pretend to be communist is irrelevant.

"It wasn't real communism"

Completly disregarding the fact that millions of people around the world actually believed (and some still do) in marxism-leninism and not a few of them worked for many years and dedicated and genuinely to making it work, even if a lot of them were horribly and awfully disappointed.

I don't mean to switch the topic or anything, I just wanted to ask a question. Is the old flag of South Africa considered racist? I know it was used during the era of apartheid, but it was technically created before apartheid came into existence.

No not necessarily by itself. Its a historic flag. And its definetively allowed on NS afaik.

[The Reformed American Republic]

"It wasn't real communism"

Completly disregarding the fact that millions of people around the world actually believed (and some still do) in marxism-leninism and not a few of them worked for many years and dedicated and genuinely to making it work, even if a lot of them were horribly and awfully disappointed.

Indeed. Plus, many liblefters ally with them. Just look at North Korea and the Gameplay forum. In addition, even many libcoms seem to have authoritarian characteristics.

[Alternate South Africa]

No not necessarily by itself. It's a historic flag. And it's definitely allowed on NS afaik.

I figured it was allowed on NationStates since I haven't been banned or asked by a mod to change it, I just wanted to see what you guys thought of it, and now I have my answer. I do wish people would read the disclaimer in my forums posts though, I kinda frustrates me that everyone looks at my flag and instantly thinks "He's a fricken racist! Kill him!", when my nation is literally just Australia but in Africa.

[Alcala-Cordel]

The existence of dictators that pretend to be communist is irrelevant.

"It wasn't real communism"

Completly disregarding the fact that millions of people around the world actually believed (and some still do) in marxism-leninism and not a few of them worked for many years and dedicated and genuinely to making it work, even if a lot of them were horribly and awfully disappointed

Aww, the best you could come up with is that fallacy? No, dictatorships really aren't communism and you really need to learn about the existence of misleading advertising.

Those states don't even claim to be communist, they pretend to be transitionsl states that prepare society for communism (they aren't, and they have no intention to). The fact that some people believe it means nothing.


Maybe if people believe this bottle is paper hard enough it'll be a paper bottle.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No not necessarily by itself. It's a historic flag. And it's definitely allowed on NS afaik.

I figured it was allowed on NationStates since I haven't been banned or asked by a mod to change it, I just wanted to see what you guys thought of it, and now I have my answer. I do wish people would read the disclaimer in my forums posts though, I kinda frustrates me that everyone looks at my flag and instantly thinks "He's a fricken racist! Kill him!", when my nation is literally just Australia but in Africa.

Racism isn't banned in NS, Trolling is. Even the Confederate flag is not banned.

[Nakena]

"It wasn't real communism"

Completly disregarding the fact that millions of people around the world actually believed (and some still do) in marxism-leninism and not a few of them worked for many years and dedicated and genuinely to making it work, even if a lot of them were horribly and awfully disappointed.

Indeed. Plus, many liblefters ally with them. Just look at North Korea and the Gameplay forum. In addition, even many libcoms seem to have authoritarian characteristics.

My biggest issue is attitude claiming of of absolute moral superiority as if they were the enlightened priesthood of the true faith (tm) walking forwardly proudly and full with their own holiness with a fucking halo on their heads and everyone is to bow down to them and accept their katechism of their church as the true one and everyone who disagrees is at the very least an amoralist infidel. (aka "Centrist or "enlightened centrist") Or worse, being a spawn of satan. (anything real or supposed fascist)

[Alternate South Africa]

Racism isn't banned in NS, Trolling is. Even the Confederate flag is not banned.

Well that's very interesting, I had no idea racism wasn't banned on NS, I'm surprised I haven't seen people on here expressing their hatred for the Jewish people or blacks since that's the case, is it because that counts as trolling?

[Kowani]

Racism isn't banned in NS, Trolling is. Even the Confederate flag is not banned.

Well that's very interesting, I had no idea racism wasn't banned on NS, I'm surprised I haven't seen people on here expressing their hatred for the Jewish people or blacks since that's the case, is it because that counts as trolling?

they have been
they've just been getting bans

[The Reformed American Republic]

Racism isn't banned in NS, Trolling is. Even the Confederate flag is not banned.

Well that's very interesting, I had no idea racism wasn't banned on NS, I'm surprised I haven't seen people on here expressing their hatred for the Jewish people or blacks since that's the case, is it because that counts as trolling?

It depends on how such an opinion is argued, though it is incredibly difficult to argue such positions without crossing the line into trolling. Saiwania is a literal Nazi and while he has been dinged for trolling before, he is usually very good at arguing in favor of Nazism without getting banned.

Oh, and do not use explicit Nazi swastikas or symbols on your nation. Those are de facto banned under the acceptable flag policy in the site rules.

[Nakena]

"It wasn't real communism"

Completly disregarding the fact that millions of people around the world actually believed (and some still do) in marxism-leninism and not a few of them worked for many years and dedicated and genuinely to making it work, even if a lot of them were horribly and awfully disappointed

Aww, the best you could come up with is that fallacy? No, dictatorships really aren't communism and you really need to learn about the existence of misleading advertising.

Those states don't even claim to be communist, they pretend to be transitionsl states that prepare society for communism (they aren't, and they have no intention to). The fact that some people believe it means nothing.


Maybe if people believe this bottle is paper hard enough it'll be a paper bottle.

It's not a "fellacy". It's a matter of fact that many people believed in it. And I know enough about your church. And yeah theres a reason why I called them marxist-leninist. Many believed they would, somehow, despite it all, be the better system.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Well that's very interesting, I had no idea racism wasn't banned on NS, I'm surprised I haven't seen people on here expressing their hatred for the Jewish people or blacks since that's the case, is it because that counts as trolling?

they have been
they've just been getting bans

This as well. Saiwania is like the only one who has a long shelf life around here.

[Heloin]

No not necessarily by itself. It's a historic flag. And it's definitely allowed on NS afaik.

I figured it was allowed on NationStates since I haven't been banned or asked by a mod to change it, I just wanted to see what you guys thought of it, and now I have my answer. I do wish people would read the disclaimer in my forums posts though, I kinda frustrates me that everyone looks at my flag and instantly thinks "He's a fricken racist! Kill him!", when my nation is literally just Australia but in Africa.

I'm going to come in the middle of this conversation here as an Afrikaner and say that yes, the flag is very racist. This isn't an accusation on you but a rebuttal more towards Nakena's statement. If I started waving the old flag around in Jo'burg I'd get exactly the correct reaction from everyone. Well, aside from maybe a crazy vrystaater.

they have been
they've just been getting bans

This as well. Saiwania is like the only one who has a long shelf life around here.

Say what you will about Sai, and you know we all can, he does know how to argue his points without trolling. Most of the time.

[Senkaku]

Just look at North Korea and the Gameplay forum.

ok as someone who is not active in the Gameplay forum I'm going to have to ask for a clarification lmao, are Pyongyang's cyber-operatives stalking our own humble God-fearing forum or something?

[Nakena]

I'm going to come in the middle of this conversation here as an Afrikaner and say that yes, the flag is very racist. This isn't an accusation on you but a rebuttal more towards Nakena's statement. If I started waving the old flag around in Jo'burg I'd get exactly the correct reaction from everyone. Well, aside from maybe a crazy vrystaater.

I dont doubt that. Stuff is context relevant. For example the Imperial Japanese War Flag is considered extremly offensive in some asian countries. Meanwhile the Swastika isnt such a big deal there afaik.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Just look at North Korea and the Gameplay forum.

ok as someone who is not active in the Gameplay forum I'm going to have to ask for a clarification lmao, are Pyongyang's cyber-operatives stalking our own humble God-fearing forum or something?

There's a region w/ like 20, 30 nations that unironically supports NK from a leftist perspective, called North Korea. They're part of NSLeft b/c they help with antifascist operations.

[Alternate South Africa]

I'm going to come in the middle of this conversation here as an Afrikaner and say that yes, the flag is very racist. This isn't an accusation on you but a rebuttal more towards Nakena's statement. If I started waving the old flag around in Jo'burg I'd get exactly the correct reaction from everyone. Well, aside from maybe a crazy vrystaater.

I'm sorry you feel that way, however, I feel like this flag is really just misunderstood. Like other symbols, the old flag of South Africa was originally it's "dominion" flag from when the nation was part of the empire, which if I remember my history correctly, was before apartheid was around, it was really just a flag portraying the nation's european heritage. Like I said, I don't condone apartheid, but in my opinion, this flag isn't related to that era, it's just a symbol that ended up in the wrong message, unfortunately. If you're wondering why I chose this flag, my nation is essentially a more westernized South Africa with a larger white population, there wasn't any genocide, there was just a large migration of Brits to South Africa. But that's all I have to say, I respect your opinion on the subject.

[Fahran]

Snip.

Communists advocate sedition against the state, often through explicitly violent means. If we're going to suppress radical political organizations, I see no reason to spare them similar treatment at all given they would disorder society in a manner no less pernicious than white nationalists and fascists. As I stated before, I'm not really in favor of crushing these groups outright since it would require a deliberate subversion of our supreme law in the case of the United States, but, if we're going to successfully advocate for suppression and the imprisonment of radical groups, I'll definitely begin advocating to oppress all of my political and social enemies before they can do the same to me, especially when they're radicals. Antifa can share cells with the Proud Boys for all I care.

[Fahran]

I don't mean to switch the topic or anything, I just wanted to ask a question. Is the old flag of South Africa considered racist? I know it was used during the era of apartheid, but it was technically created before apartheid came into existence.

It's pretty heavily associated with apartheid in the popular imagination at this point, no? I'm not certain about its meaning among Boers, so I can't say definitively, but my inkling is that it comes with a lot of racial baggage.

they have been
they've just been getting bans

I think one or two of them might be able to successfully appeal, but, yeah, a lot of the reason behind those temp-bans was pretty egregious trolling.