White Supremacy discussion thread

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

False equivalence

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

Not at all, given Kosher is a religious diet and you are subjecting a population that is 98% non Jewish to it. You may not be able to think of a personal reason to avoid Kosher, but the rest of the population hasn't been given that right nor have their opinions in general even been taken on the subject.

No one has to buy kosher. You aren't being forced to eat kosher, but it is available for you, the same way a Jew doesn't have to buy pork, but it is available.

I'll admit, I have never ever seen anyone try to use the prevalence of kosher labeling to advance anti-Semitism.

[Xmara]

False equivalence

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

Not at all, given Kosher is a religious diet and you are subjecting a population that is 98% non Jewish to it. You may not be able to think of a personal reason to avoid Kosher, but the rest of the population hasn't been given that right nor have their opinions in general even been taken on the subject.

Why should anyone who isn't Jewish care about whether or not their food is Kosher? Sure it's a religious diet, but what religion says "thou shalt not eat Kosher?"

I doubt most Americans even pay attention to Kosher labels.

[Fahran]

If you are focusing in on marketability, than you have established there is, indeed, a financial incentive in some regard to having this situation to Jews.

41% of items in a grocery store being kosher does not mean that Gentiles are keeping kosher. One in five Americans would eat bacon every day if they could, likely alongside kosher hotdogs, kosher pickles, and kosher salmon. A person can keep a non-kosher diet that includes kosher food items for various reasons. I imagine this is what you do actually, unless you make a conscious effort to not eat any non-kosher foods.

[Xmara]

Not at all, given Kosher is a religious diet and you are subjecting a population that is 98% non Jewish to it. You may not be able to think of a personal reason to avoid Kosher, but the rest of the population hasn't been given that right nor have their opinions in general even been taken on the subject.

No one has to buy kosher. You aren't being forced to eat kosher, but it is available for you, the same way a Jew doesn't have to buy pork, but it is available.

I'll admit, I have never ever seen any try to use the prevalence of kosher labeling to advance anti-Semitism.

This, pretty much.

But again, I doubt most American Gentiles even pay attention to whether or not their food is labeled Kosher, so does it really matter?

[Galloism]

If you are focusing in on marketability, than you have established there is, indeed, a financial incentive in some regard to having this situation to Jews.

41% of items in a grocery store being kosher does not mean that Gentiles are keeping kosher. One in five Americans would eat bacon every day if they could, likely alongside kosher hotdogs, kosher pickles, and kosher salmon. A person can keep a non-kosher diet that includes kosher food items for various reasons.

Excuse me, I like my hot dogs, pickles, and salmon dunked in bacon grease, thank you.

[Luminesa]

Uhhhhh $40,000 isn't actually that high of a salary. It's livable, but not...rolling in dough.

It's more than than I've ever made in my entire life.

I just picked an arbitrary number that would be livable in a lot of places.

Fair, I feel that.

[Saiwania]

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

There probably isn't for most White supremacists either. I myself won't avoid Kosher food per say, its just that I won't keep Kosher if I don't have to- in the instances where a food is good but doesn't fall under Kosher. A cheeseburger for example, is good in the eyes of lots of people- but it isn't Kosher because a core rule is to never mix meat and dairy. I'm willing to have pork BBQ or shrimp/lobster but none of that is allowed to be considered Kosher because it just isn't within Jewish scriptures.

[Luminesa]

Why should anyone who isn't Jewish care about whether or not their food is Kosher? Sure it's a religious diet, but what religion says "thou shalt not eat Kosher?"

I doubt most Americans even pay attention to Kosher labels.

Maybe for the very obvious reason they aren't Jewish in the first place? There's nothing in the Bible that says Christians don't have to pray towards Mecca five times a day and there is nothing in the Koran about observing Easter shop closures, either, but we allow people the choice on those, now don't we?

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

What's the issue? The food has kosher on the label, congrats that means if Jewish people want to use it for meals then they can. I don't see why you're making such a big fuss over it. You're not being forced to celebrate a Jewish holiday by eating a salad that says "pre-washed and kosher" on the packaging, my guy. You're just eating a salad. Chill out.

[Xmara]

Why should anyone who isn't Jewish care about whether or not their food is Kosher? Sure it's a religious diet, but what religion says "thou shalt not eat Kosher?"

I doubt most Americans even pay attention to Kosher labels.

Maybe for the very obvious reason they aren't Jewish in the first place? There's nothing in the Bible that says Christians don't have to pray towards Mecca five times a day and there is nothing in the Koran about observing Easter shop closures, either, but we allow people the choice on those, now don't we?

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

Again, false equivalence.

[New haven america]

With regard to voting for your political enemies, over twenty percent of Jews have voted for the Republican candidate in the last five presidential elections. That means that a little over one in five Jewish Americans probably vote in a way you consider somewhat acceptable. Beyond that, East Asians, Black Americans, and Latinos also tended to vote in favor of Democrats, which is keeping with their role as a party of immigrants and urban areas.

As for kosher, we don't actually expect Gentiles to keep kosher.

Then why is so much of the U.S. food industry Kosher certified?

Because the US has 51% of the entire world's Jewish population and is a global exporter.

North Africa used to have the highest, but then Israel became a thing and the Muslim countries there weren't happy about that. Moroccans make up the 2nd largest ethnic group in Israel behind European/Ashkenazi for example.

[Fahran]

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

"Oh, no! I've unwittingly consumed meat of a finer quality! What a nightmare!"

I know Gentiles who buy kosher hotdogs and fish because they trust the item they're getting more. Which is important given that treif hotdogs are traditionally made with ground-up bits of the less prime parts of pigs and that treif fish is often chronically mislabelled, exposing consumers to dangerous allergic reactions.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Why should anyone who isn't Jewish care about whether or not their food is Kosher? Sure it's a religious diet, but what religion says "thou shalt not eat Kosher?"

I doubt most Americans even pay attention to Kosher labels.

Maybe for the very obvious reason they aren't Jewish in the first place? There's nothing in the Bible that says Christians don't have to pray towards Mecca five times a day and there is nothing in the Koran about observing Easter shop closures, either, but we allow people the choice on those, now don't we?

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

So I have to make an active effort to break the rules of religions I don't believe in? This is what this sounds like. If I for some reason really don't want to eat kosher, then I can. If I happen to eat some kosher-labelled foods, that's fine.

[Xmara]

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

There probably isn't for most White supremacists either. I myself won't avoid Kosher food per say, its just that I won't keep Kosher if I don't have to- in the instances where a food is good but doesn't fall under Kosher. A cheeseburger for example, is good in the eyes of lots of people- but it isn't Kosher because a core rule is to never mix meat and dairy. I'm willing to have pork BBQ or shrimp/lobster but none of that is allowed to be considered Kosher because it just isn't within Jewish scriptures.

I mean, I don't keep Kosher either because I'm not Jewish so I have no reason to, but I think it's ridiculous for someone to go out of their way to avoid eating Kosher.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

"Oh, no! I've unwittingly consumed meat of a finer quality! What a nightmare!"

I know Gentiles who buy kosher hotdogs and fish because they trust the item they're getting more. Which is important given that hotdogs are traditionally made with ground-up bits of the less prime parts of pigs and that fish is often chronically mislabelled, exposing consumers to dangerous allergic reactions.

This lol. It's not some insane evil Jewish plot, some kosher stuff is just better.

[Kowani]

Maybe for the very obvious reason they aren't Jewish in the first place? There's nothing in the Bible that says Christians don't have to pray towards Mecca five times a day and there is nothing in the Koran about observing Easter shop closures, either, but we allow people the choice on those, now don't we?

That most Americans don't know about Kosher labels I agree with, but ignorance does not imply consent.

What's the issue?

he's a nazi
or at the very least, some degree of white supremacist
it just happens that like most of them, he knows that outright admitting it is bad PR for trying to push his ideas

[Xmara]

Again, false equivalence.

Not at all, which is why you aren't able to define your objection or respond to my point in anything more than undefined, general terms.

Why should I? You're the one who's getting offended over the fact that a lot of food in American grocery stores is Kosher.

[New haven america]

Uhhhhh $40,000 isn't actually that high of a salary. It's livable, but not...rolling in dough.

It's more than than I've ever made in my entire life.

I just picked an arbitrary number that would be livable in a lot of places.

$40,000 is actually below the average salary for most Americans.

The average salary nationwide is $49,000 a year. (Note: This doesn't mean middle class)

[Xmara]

"Oh, no! I've unwittingly consumed meat of a finer quality! What a nightmare!"

I know Gentiles who buy kosher hotdogs and fish because they trust the item they're getting more. Which is important given that hotdogs are traditionally made with ground-up bits of the less prime parts of pigs and that fish is often chronically mislabelled, exposing consumers to dangerous allergic reactions.

This lol. It's not some insane evil Jewish plot, some kosher stuff is just better.

When I was in high school, a Jewish classmate of mine brought in some matzo crackers and let us try them. They were pretty good.

[New haven america]

This is a big assumption and one that does not necessarily flow logically from the assertion that Jewish people benefit from the present structure of our social institutions. You don't need a definitive power structure striving to keep other groups out of institutions to create disparities, especially when disparities can be created by geographical factors, unequal outcomes in education, and cultural differences that then receive expression in the form of institutional disparities. This is actually quite important to understanding systemic racism.

If it's a big assumption, then disprove it. Either 55 of the top 100 political donors are Jewish or they are not. If Jews aren't disproportionately benefiting from them the system, then show it. You're basically engaging in unfalsifiable arguments here because to engage in objective standards shows I am right.

I am glad, however, you brought up education. Would you agree that getting into banking requires a solid education and probably social connections to match?

The criticism doesn't really come solely from this. Non-Jewish, non-Latino whites actually benefit from similar forces to the one I mentioned above, which leads to them wielding disproportionate power and wealth in an increasingly diverse country. The main gripe is that Jewish overrepresentation mutes non-Jewish white overrepresentation, which is the principal goal of white nationalists.

Then show it. That there is also a contradiction in your argument that somehow Whites are benefitting from an unfair system while Jews are just the result of natural forces is pretty obvious.

Fah just said ~25% vote rep.

That means 14 of those donors are donating to Republicans, who have the GOP, who tend to support white nationalism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This lol. It's not some insane evil Jewish plot, some kosher stuff is just better.

I don't think anyone has claimed its an evil plot, but rather it is an outgrowth of Jewish financial power and influence as a rather obvious, daily example in American life.

Tbqh I'd blame nutty Protestants more than Jews. They're the reason we as a society have always idolized the Jewish faith and the Israeli state.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

100% of US grocery stores sell vegetables. 5% of the US population is vegan. Clearly there is a secret cabal of vegans that controls the country.

IT'S A VEGANSPIRACY!

[Fahran]

If it's a big assumption, then disprove it. Either 55 of the top 100 political donors are Jewish or they are not. If Jews aren't disproportionately benefiting from them the system, then show it. You're basically engaging in unfalsifiable arguments here because to engage in objective standards shows I am right.

I didn't argue that Jews weren't disproportionately benefitting from the system. I simply questioned the mechanism by which these disparities occurred and pointed out that you don't need a cabal of people within institutions actively striving to exclude people when the ground is set for disparate outcomes much earlier through disparities in education, in geographical access, and in cultural inertia. Do you have evidence of an effort to discriminate against non-Jewish white people in these institutions?

I am glad, however, you brought up education. Would you agree that getting into banking requires a solid education and probably social connections to match?

Absolutely. And Jews, much like East Asians, seem to have become something of a model minority when it comes to achieving overrepresentation in education.

Then show it. That there is also a contradiction in your argument that somehow Whites are benefitting from an unfair system while Jews are just the result of natural forces is pretty obvious.

I didn't assert that it was the result of "natural forces." I asserted that the overrepresentation of Jews and the overrepresentation of non-Jewish whites was largely achieved through similar social and institutional forces. As for showing it, white nationalists aren't arguing to decrease white overrepresentation. They want to decrease Jewish overrepresentation while ostensibly preserving non-Jewish white overrepresentation at the expense of non-white people, no?

[New haven america]

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

There probably isn't for most White supremacists either. I myself won't avoid Kosher food per say, its just that I won't keep Kosher if I don't have to- in the instances where a food is good but doesn't fall under Kosher. A cheeseburger for example, is good in the eyes of lots of people- but it isn't Kosher because a core rule is to never mix meat and dairy. I'm willing to have pork BBQ or shrimp/lobster but none of that is allowed to be considered Kosher because it just isn't within Jewish scriptures.

Actually, there's nothing in the Torah that says you can't mix meat and dairy as a food item. The restriction is that you can't cook meat in the milk of its own species, like you can't cook goat in goat's milk, beef in cow milk, etc... But there is no law speaking against things like cheeseburgers. (Even though there should be, because cheeseburgers are awful)

It not considered Kosher because super Orthodox Jews really don't want to take the chance of pissing off God. Yeah, a lot of Orthodox Jews have a tendency to take 1 rule and then stretch it so far past its original meaning that anything could theoretically be non-Kosher.

[Fahran]

$40,000 is actually below the average salary for most Americans.

The average salary nationwide is $49,000 a year. (Note: This doesn't mean middle class)

Mean or median? Because it might well be middle-class in most of the country. It's definitely middle-class in Texas, and comfortably so, especially if you're under thirty and not in energy.

[Xmara]

100% of US grocery stores sell vegetables. 5% of the US population is vegan. Clearly there is a secret cabal of vegans that controls the country.

IT'S A VEGANSPIRACY!

Wake up America

Stop eating vegetables

Become carnivores