White Supremacy discussion thread

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes money is the most powerful thing in our society.

Would you agree, then, that politicians tend to be most beholden to the wealth in general and their donors in particular? Would you also agree the financial industry has a major political influence in the United States; I imagine as a leftist you think a lot of the Bankers and the like should've went to jail in 2008, an opinion I share with you?

Yes I do think most politicians pander to the wealthy. Hence why I had no faith in either this president or the last.

[New haven america]

Well that's not what I said so...

I mean I guess you never explicitly stated a dollar amount or specified the type of gifts but uhhh otherwise I think Fahran's summary is right on the money lmao

Do I feel some projection emanating from this post? I think I do.

"projection!!" is very rarely an insightful observation, most of the time it's the adult equivalent of "I'm rubber you're glue!!"

(Hint: My critique wasn't based on misogyny, it was based on the gender role that women shouldn't be the breadwinners.

The misogyny was purely incidental then, got it

But it's not pessimistic, it's true, realism if you will.

Maybe being gay means I'm incapable of truly understanding the depths of the female mind's icy and pitiless materialism, but I don't think that's the case, so I'm going to say... no, it's pessimism, not realism

Well, since a certain someone did a certain something because they didn't like the answer they got...

A. Sen, if you didn't want to get a response, you shouldn't have replied to my post. Do you know how forums works?
B. Did you know threadjacking's against the rules? (Now I'm being condescending )

[New haven america]

Yes I do think most politicians pander to the wealthy. Hence why I had no faith in either this president or the last.

Congratulations then, because you are starting to understand why White Supremacists dislike the Jews. Of the top 100 political donors in the 2020 election, 55 are Jewish. If you narrow it down to the top 10, it is eight of 10. Friendly reminder that Jews are about 2% of the population of the United States, mind you.

Fun fact: Did you know this isn't the Middle Ages anymore.

Unlike the 1300's, there exists no system in place to keep Christians from taking up banking jobs. So this line of reasoning is outdated at best, and anti-Semitic at worst.

[New haven america]

What don’t you like about Jews?

It is nothing personal, it is more that most Jews in the US vote for the political enemies of Conservatives or the Alt Right, hence I'm going to be more against than for such people. I also have some biases as a Gentile that prefers my way over anything Jewish. I can't back male circumcision in general, and I'd never willingly keep Kosher among perhaps other things.

IIRC, you voted for Hillary and Biden.

[Saiwania]

IIRC, you voted for Hillary and Biden.

Yes, which is a testament to how I'm not a true tribalist, that I back whoever is more capable for the long term and can accept triangulation on some issues.

[New haven america]

Fun fact: Did you know this isn't the Middle Ages anymore.

Unlike the 1300's, there exists no system in place to keep Christians from taking up banking jobs. So this line of reasoning is outdated at best, and anti-Semitic at worst.

1. Do you believe White Supremacy exists at the institutional level in the United States? 2. And this keeps POC from achieving a higher degree of economic and social success?

1. Among the GOP? Yep!
2. Depends on the POC. Asians are doing quite well over all, but this mostly applies to 2nd or 3rd gen Asians, not those who came over in the 1800's, who, along with blacks and Native Americans, do face institutional discrimination and socioeconomic blockades to success, mostly caused by the right-wing conservative side of the nation.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes I do think most politicians pander to the wealthy. Hence why I had no faith in either this president or the last.

Congratulations then, because you are starting to understand why White Supremacists dislike the Jews. Of the top 100 political donors in the 2020 election, 55 are Jewish. If you narrow it down to the top 10, it is eight of 10. Friendly reminder that Jews are about 2% of the population of the United States, mind you.

They dislike the Jews for being more successful than the average? It isnt like there's a law requiring you to be Jewish to be a banker.

[New haven america]

1. Among the GOP? Yep!

That's all well and good, but that's not what I asked is it? I asked you for the institutional level as the United States as a whole.

2. Depends on the POC. Asians are doing quite well over all, but this mostly applies to 2nd or 3rd gen Asians, not those who came over in the 1800's, who, along with blacks and Native Americans, do face institutional discrimination and socioeconomic blockades to success, mostly caused by the right-wing conservative side of the nation.

So you do believe there is White Supremacy ingrained in institutions at large? It's a yes or no question, no need to be coy.

You missed the point, deary. I answers your question and specified the exact source of the issue.

I don't know how you could consider receiving an in-depth answer as coy.

[New haven america]

You missed the point, deary. I answers your question and specified the exact source of the issue.

I don't know how you could consider received an in-depth answer as coy.

1. No, you said "in the GOP" but that's not what I asked, nor did I ask you for the cause; 2.you're being coy here because you know you've backed yourself into a corner. 2. Is there institutional white supremacy, in your opinion, in the United States?

1. Yes, that is correct, the GOP is the exact institutional source causing most of the racial issues the US is currently experiencing.
2. How is giving an honest and in-depth answer considered coy?
3. Yes, specifically within and caused by the GOP.

[New haven america]

1. Yes, that is correct, the GOP is the exact institutional source causing most of the racial issues the US is currently experiencing.
2. How is giving an honest and in-depth answer considered coy?
3. Yes, specifically within and caused by the GOP.

So yes, you do believe there is institutional white supremacy within the wider institutions of the United States, not just the GOP but, in your opinion, caused by the GOP?

... Did you read what I wrote?

Also, stop being coy and answer my question. Why do you consider in-depth answers coy?

[New haven america]

... Did you read what I wrote?

Also, stop being coy and answer my question.

1. I am asking for clarification, so you can not claim I mis-quoting you going forward.

2. As your question, I did not ask you for an in-depth response, I asked you for a yes or no question, which until now you had not given. Yes, yes, you can continue to add your GOP remarks but that was not a yes or no by any objective means.

1. And you already got a clear answer. White supremacy exists in the US government and it's called The GOP.
2. Got it, you don't understand what the word "Coy" means. (In this case specifically: "reluctant to give details, especially about something regarded as sensitive." Which is the opposite of the answer you got, as it had a lot of details and was open and honest)

[Nevertopia]

white supremacy is for idiots tbh.

[New haven america]

1. And you already got a clear answer. White supremacy exists in the US government and it's called The GOP.
2. Got it, you don't understand what the word "Coy" means. (In this case specifically: "reluctant to give details, especially about something regarded as sensitive." Which is the opposite of the answer you got)

Or we could go with the Merriam-Webster definition, which is:

showing reluctance to make a definite commitment

As it were though, attempting to get into semantics with a passive aggressive attitude on your part is pretty clearly more diversionary tactics here. Now that we have you saying yes, your belief is the wider institutions are subject to White Supremacy and this forms an informal block to the advancement of POC, how exactly do you reconcile that belief with your stated opinion there is nothing preventing White people from getting into banking? Maybe, just maybe, the Jews who dominant it have constructed informal barriers of their own to prevent such?

We can expand this further: what, exactly, do you consider necessary to get into prestigious banking/financial jobs? I think you would agree with me no one can walk in off the street and get such a job, perhaps it requires a degree of education or social connections? Maybe both?

You're really grasping at straws to prove a point you haven't even made yet.

Would you please make your point, or are you just gonna waste your time?

[New haven america]

You're really grasping at straws to prove a point you haven't even made yet.

Why not answer the question?

1. No, you said "in the GOP" but that's not what I asked, nor did I ask you for the cause; 2.you're being coy here because you know you've backed yourself into a corner. 2. Is there institutional white supremacy, in your opinion, in the United States?

1. Yes, that is correct, the GOP is the exact institutional source causing most of the racial issues the US is currently experiencing.
2. How is giving an honest and in-depth answer considered coy?
3. Yes, specifically within and caused by the GOP.

Are you ever gonna prove your point, or just waste your time?

[New haven america]

Are you ever gonna prove your point, or just waste your time?

None of those are responses to the questions I just asked. We've already established, in my last two posts, what your answer was to the first one. Do you need me to repeat the questions I just asked in a bulleted format for you to read them/understand me better?

Got it, you wanna waste your time.

You coulda just said so, no need to be coy.

[Luminesa]

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

We could debate this at length, but this isn't really a good place to have a conversation on how women are totally materialistic and won't look your way if you're not making at least $40,000 a year and spoiling them with flowers and chocolates. Really though, I have no idea why you feel trying to reinforce Sai's pessimism about the world is in any way useful to his or anyone else's mental well-being or prospects at life.

Uhhhhh $40,000 isn't actually that high of a salary. It's livable, but not...rolling in dough.

[Luminesa]

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

We could debate this at length, but this isn't really a good place to have a conversation on how women are totally materialistic and won't look your way if you're not making at least $40,000 a year and spoiling them with flowers and chocolates. Really though, I have no idea why you feel trying to reinforce Sai's pessimism about the world is in any way useful to his or anyone else's mental well-being or prospects at life.

Uhhhhh $40,000 isn't actually that high of a salary. It's livable, but not...rolling in dough.

[Fahran]

It is nothing personal, it is more that most Jews in the US vote for the political enemies of Conservatives or the Alt Right, hence I'm going to be more against than for such people. I also have some biases as a Gentile that prefers my way over anything Jewish. I can't back male circumcision in general, and I'd never willingly keep Kosher among perhaps other things.

With regard to voting for your political enemies, over twenty percent of Jews have voted for the Republican candidate in the last five presidential elections. That means that a little over one in five Jewish Americans probably vote in a way you consider somewhat acceptable. Beyond that, East Asians, Black Americans, and Latinos also tended to vote in favor of Democrats, which is keeping with their role as a party of immigrants and urban areas.

As for kosher, we don't actually expect Gentiles to keep kosher.

[Fahran]

Uhhhhh $40,000 isn't actually that high of a salary. It's livable, but not...rolling in dough.

It's more than than I've ever made in my entire life.

I just picked an arbitrary number that would be livable in a lot of places.

[Fahran]

Why not answer the questions? It seems to me we're back to what I said earlier: you can't because you know you're backed into a corner.

The simple answer is that many of the same institutional factors that confer an advantage to white people over non-white people also convey an advantage to Jewish people over non-Jewish people, especially when we look at New England and financially developed urban areas with a magnifiying glass. But I might be leaping to your next question so I'll answer more simply - yes.

[Fahran]

Then why is so much of the U.S. food industry Kosher certified?

It expands the market demand for your product with minimal effort since many Jews (and Muslims) won't eat non-kosher/halal meat, some Gentiles consider kosher/halal meat to be of superior quality to non-kosher/halal, and the remaining Gentiles don't have any reason not to eat kosher/halal meat. It's a smart approach to business that expands the marketability of your product.

[Xmara]

It expands the market demand for your product with minimal effort since many Jews (and Muslims) won't eat non-kosher/halal meat, some Gentiles consider kosher/halal meat to be of superior quality to non-kosher/halal, and the remaining Gentiles don't have any reason not to eat kosher/halal meat. It's a smart approach to business that expands the marketability of your product.

There literally is no marketability of the product in terms of less than 2% of the US population being Jewish and 41% of the goods in grocery stores in a national level being Kosher.

Most Gentiles see no reason to avoid Kosher food, so why not just make most of the food Kosher so everyone wins?

[Fahran]

There literally is no marketability of the product in terms of less than 2% of the US population being Jewish and 41% of the goods in grocery stores in a national level being Kosher.

Kosher food doesn't only draw in Jewish consumers. It can also draw in Muslim consumers, vegan consumers, and health-conscious consumers. It does all this while not scaring away very many consumers. This means you get a net increase in marketability by simply having a kosher label on your product.

With the number of people attending up 800 from the year before, and 300 new products on display, Menachem Lubinsky, chief executive of event organiser Lubicom, said that demand for kosher food was growing strongly among non-Jewish shoppers.

"Kosher food appeals to a more health-conscious consumer," he says. "It's like a new generation of kosher. It's different from those who have been there for many years, the basic kosher staples."

The centre of the world's kosher food sector is the US. For while only 2% of Americans are Jewish, some 7.5 million people, a study by the Quartz business news website found that 41% of all packaged food in the US is certified kosher.

Explanations for this include a perception that kosher food is cleaner or healthier, or people's desire for assurance than a product does not include potential allergens such as shellfish. It also offers certainty for vegans, such as in the example of Oreo cookies, which prior to their switch to kosher in the late 1990s contained lard (pork fat).

Source

[Xmara]

Most Gentiles see no reason to avoid Kosher food, so why not just make most of the food Kosher so everyone wins?

Most Americans like pork, why don't we make Jews and Muslims eat it?

False equivalence

I can't think of a single excuse for a Gentile to go out of their way to avoid Kosher food

[Fahran]

So, there is a Jewish power structure that has been formed to keep outsiders out

This is a big assumption and one that does not necessarily flow logically from the assertion that Jewish people benefit from the present structure of our social institutions. You don't need a definitive power structure striving to keep other groups out of institutions to create disparities, especially when disparities can be created by geographical factors, unequal outcomes in education, and cultural differences that then receive expression in the form of institutional disparities. This is actually quite important to understanding systemic racism.

and from there they have translated that into financial wealth with which they wield massive political influence. Gee, you wonder why White Nationalists and the like have a criticism of Jews...

The criticism doesn't really come solely from this. Non-Jewish, non-Latino whites actually benefit from similar forces to the one I mentioned above, which leads to them wielding disproportionate power and wealth in an increasingly diverse country. The main gripe is that Jewish overrepresentation mutes non-Jewish white overrepresentation, which is the principal goal of white nationalists.