White Supremacy discussion thread

[Luminesa]

I fail to see what a historical metaphor for the anxiety of leadership has to do with anything. I hope you're not just using the phrase because it sounds cool.

i'm using as a metaphor for a constant threat which never goes away, anywhere, at any time.

I think you misunderstood that I was addressing only a small part of Kowani's effortpost, namely the part about education.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Error 404: Difference not found..

Maybe to you, but even the media at times has been forced to acknowledge this.

Thank you for this post, I now have the link to it for my Posts Records. Yes, just because White supremacists supported Republican President Trump, it does not make President Trump who has Jewish grandchildren in his family and his Proud Republican Supporters, Fascists and Nazis. Many US Presidents and other leaders have been supported to a certain extent by Persons like him and those leaders are not Fascists and Nazis.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trike.html

[Kowani]

this is like the third or fourth time in this thread someone's replied to a post of mine with some variation of "you're wrong lol"
it would be annoying if it was not predictable
elaboration, people

I am not responsible for other's posts, but sometimes the words that flow from your mouth aren't really worthy of an in depth response. In this case, however, I think the reasoning why is transparent-you're saying they are short on policy why ignoring the fact there isn't any real difference between them and the Democratic platform. I only specify the Democrat because there is no 2020 GOP Platform; it was quite literally them voting to retain the same one from 2016. Yes, the NJP has a more succinct one, but word count does not define policy.

so let's go through some examples, so we can see the difference
i shall attempt to keep it to comparable issues


from the NJP

The United States of America will be declared an outpost of Western civilization and a state dedicated to its European-heritage population and their posterity. It will be the policy of the state to set immigration and natal policy that will ensure a permanent European majority. The rights of historic minority populations will be respected.

how this will be achieved is unclear
there's no way for the state to actually boost exclusively white birth rates without major constitutional violations, unless your plan is to impoverish large amounts of white people (which, in addition to being bad policy, is contradictory with other parts of the platform)
immigration "reform" with an explicit racial intention would go the same way
who counts as "European" is also unclear
does the Argentine guy with a German grandfather count? We don't know.

the Democratic page on immigration starts with platitudes (and the normal attacks on trump). in this, they are similar
but after that, they lay out specific actions they plan to to take to accomplish their goals

We will start by righting the wrongs of the Trump Administration.

Democrats will rescind President Trump’s fabricated “National Emergency,” which siphons funding away from our men and women in uniform to construct an unnecessary, wasteful, and ineffective wall on the southern border.

We will immediately terminate the Trump Administration’s discriminatory travel and immigration bans that disproportionately impact Muslim, Arab, and African people, and invite those whose visas have been denied under these xenophobic and un-American policies to re-apply to come to the United States. We will support legislation to ensure that no president can enact discriminatory bans ever again.

We will reinstate, expand, and streamline protections for Dreamers and the parents of American citizen children to keep families together in the communities they have long called home.

Democrats believe the United States should be a beacon of hope for those who are suffering violence and injustice, which is why we will protect and expand the existing asylum system and other humanitarian protections. We will reverse Trump Administration policies that prevent victims of gang and domestic violence, as well as LGBTQ+ people who are unsafe in their home countries, from being eligible to apply for asylum. Democrats will end Trump Administration policies that deny protected entry to asylum seekers, put them at great risk, and destabilize our neighbors and the broader region. And we will end prosecution of asylum seekers at the border and policies that force them to apply from “safe third countries,” which are far from safe.

Democrats believe that our fight to end systemic and structural racism in our country extends to our immigration system, including the policies at our borders and ports of entry, detention centers, and within immigration law enforcement agencies and their policies and operations. And Democrats will immediately halt enforcement of and rescind the Trump Administration’s un-American immigrant wealth test.

Even as we work to reverse the enormous damage caused by the Trump Administration, we are determined to build a 21st century immigration system that embodies our values, expands economic opportunity for all Americans, and enhances our global competitiveness.

Democrats believe it is long past time to provide a roadmap to citizenship for the millions of undocumented workers, caregivers, students, and children who are an essential part of our economy and of the fabric of our nation. We will fast-track this process for those workers who have been essential to the pandemic response and recovery efforts, including health care workers, farmworkers, and others. We will also eliminate unfair barriers to naturalization, reduce application backlogs, and make our immigration processes faster, more efficient, and less costly. These reforms will strengthen our communities, our families, our economy, and our country. Democrats oppose President Trump’s illegal, chaotic, and reckless changes to the legal immigration system, including decisions to slash family-based immigration as well as H-1B and other visa programs that can help our economy.

Democrats believe family unity should be a guiding principle for our immigration policy. We will prioritize family reunification for children still separated from their families, and we will restore family reunification programs ended by the Trump Administration. We support legislation to treat the spouses and children of green card holders as immediate relatives and end their unfair separation. We will eliminate family-based green card backlogs and reform the system to speed up family-based visas. And we will work with Congress to eliminate immigration barriers, such as the three- and 10-year bars, and remove the 10-year waiting period for waivers to the permanent bars that keep loved ones apart.

We believe we should expand, not reduce, the annual visa cap for victims of human trafficking, including victims of sex trafficking, violence against women and children, and other heinous crimes; ensure that same sex-couples and their children receive equal treatment in the immigration and naturalization systems; reaffirm America’s commitment to family-based immigration; and preserve the critical role of diversity preferences in our immigration system. Democrats will ensure that law-abiding individuals with Temporary Protected Status or Deferred Enforced Departure are not sent back to countries where they cannot live safely, and we will work to pave a path to citizenship for those who have been in the country for an extended period of time and built their lives in the United States.

Democrats know that when employers feel free to abuse and bully immigrant workers, all workers suffer. That’s why we will hold employers accountable, promote workers’ rights, and prioritize the enforcement of labor and employment laws across the economy, including discrimination and sexual harassment protections, wage and hour laws, and health and safety rules. We will prevent employers from taking advantage of immigrant workers by establishing an affirmative process to request deferred action for workers who report labor violations and by supporting the Domestic Workers’ Bill of Rights and the Protect Our Workers from Exploitation and Retaliation (POWER) Act.

We will ensure that enforcement mechanisms are humane and consistent with our values and international humanitarian obligations. That’s why we will end workplace and community raids. We will protect sensitive locations like our schools, houses of worship, health care facilities, benefits offices, and DMVs from immigration enforcement actions, and prohibit raids in which children and members of vulnerable populations are left behind without their caregivers. We will prohibit enforcement actions that deter access to justice at courthouses and repress freedom of speech and assembly, end programs that force state and local law enforcement to also be responsible for immigration enforcement, and stop targeting men and women who served in uniform and their families. We will reaffirm enforcement officials’ ability to engage in the pre-Trump practice of prosecutorial discretion for deserving cases, including when needed to address humanitarian issues or other injustices. We will also prevent enforcement officials from retaliating against individuals for their political speech or activity, or because of their efforts to advocate for individuals’ rights.

We believe detention should be a last resort, not the default. Democrats will prioritize investments in more effective and cost-efficient community-based alternatives to detention. We will end for-profit detention centers and ensure that any facility where migrants are being detained is held to the highest standards of care and guarantees their safety and dignity. We will ensure all detention centers provide access to competent interpreters who speak migrants’ native languages and dialects. Detention of children should be restricted to the shortest possible time, with their access to education and proper care ensured. We will prioritize alternatives to detention for individuals with special vulnerabilities—those who are known to be suffering from serious physical or mental illness, who have disabilities, who are elderly, pregnant, or nursing, who demonstrate that they are primary caretakers of children or an infirm person, identify as gay, lesbian, transgender, gender non-conforming, or intersex, or whose detention is otherwise not in the public interest.

Democrats will implement robust mechanisms for oversight, accountability, and transparency to ensure immigration agencies abide by our values, the U.S. Constitution, and international law. Democrats believe immigration judges should be able to operate free of inappropriate political influence, and will support steps to make immigration courts more independent. We will demand that leaders of our immigration agencies be Senate-confirmed professionals, and that Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection personnel abide by our values and professional, evidence-based standards and are held accountable for any inappropriate, unlawful, or inhumane treatment.

A 21st century immigration system that honors our values is an essential prerequisite not just to recovering from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, but to strengthening our democracy and guaranteeing America’s long-term economic competitiveness. That’s why Democrats believe in improving and increasing opportunities for legal, permanent immigration. Our family, humanitarian, and diversity pathways have contributed immeasurably to the vibrancy and productivity of American society and should continue to be the centerpiece of our immigration system. We also support awarding visas for permanent, employment-based immigration in a way that is responsive to labor market needs. We want to attract and keep talent in this country, which is why Democrats will end the Trump Administration’s freeze on green cards for new immigrants and instead pursue a meaningful reform agenda.

Democrats support policies and programs to make it easier for qualified immigrants and their families to become full and equal citizens, including increasing funding for culturally appropriate immigrant inclusion and citizenship services, legal support, English classes and bilingual education, workforce development, and adult education.

Finally, Democrats will address the root causes of migration—violence and insecurity, poverty, pervasive corruption, lack of educational and economic opportunity, and the impacts of climate change. Disciplined American leadership and well-designed assistance programs can help prevent and mitigate the effects of migration crises around the world, from Southeast Asia to Sub-Saharan Africa to Central America. We will support a comprehensive strategy to strengthen security and prosperity in partnership with the people of Central America and the Caribbean and with the support of the international community. And we will renew American diplomacy as our tool of first resort, rebuild our partnerships and alliances, and once again lead the global humanitarian response.

it doesn't stop there
first, the NJP platform

We demand the FBI, which acts as nothing more than a political secret police force for elite interests, be abolished and replaced with a legitimate federal law enforcement agency.

what makes a federal law enforcement agency legitimate?
again-we don't know
how they intend to build one, what authorities it will have, anything that flesh it out-is also unmentioned

the pattern is becoming clear, i hope

The corrupt two party system must be abolished and replaced by a system that offers real representation to racial groups and economic classes.

there are...so many different possible electoral systems that could accomplish this, and they mention none of them
it's very easy to rail against the two-party system, it is much harder to advocate for a replacement, because then you have to actually know what you're talking about

We oppose America’s ongoing military entanglements and demand the return of all troops to the homeland. We will engage in diplomacy under the doctrine of ”America First” and cease the internationalist project of exporting liberalism.

whatever the fuck the doctrine of "America First" is, anyway
it's a nice soundbite, it just doesn't...provide anything concrete

meanwhile, the Democratic foreign policy is elaborated on, and actions are proposed
you don't have to agree with them (and i don't) to notice that they're there

We will establish a new economic policy that stresses the family wage, full and stable employment, and a strong middle class. We will abolish the income tax on productive work and put this burden on capital and speculative income.

internal screaming
how will we do this?
wishing on a star, because we're certainly not going to tell you

We support an industrial plan that brings home capital and manufacturing and invests in our depressed and de-industrialized heartland. We will implement massive public works projects to modernize our crumbling infrastructure.

the latter is more or less acceptable
the first sentence?
again, the same question: how
(the real economic answer is realize that manufacturing and capital flow don't work that way, but they can't do that)

We will establish a Department of Culture that will oversee the creation of art and architecture to enlighten the public through beauty and transcendence. Suburbs and small towns will be revitalized with beautification projects to make them walkable and attractive and to encourage social life.

i don't know if people realize...making suburbs "walkable" is a multigeneration effort, and it's really complex
they've been designed around cars for the past 50 years, that's not something you can just snap out of existence
there's no "edit+undo" button on city planning

We support strong families. Married women will be paid by the state to care for their children. No fault divorce will be repealed, and homosexual marriage will be banned

how will we ban gay marriage?
uhhhhhhh...pass a law saying it's banned, of course
that's how you overturn SCOTUS precedent, right?

In order to put an end to racial conflict and hate, all people will be entitled to be policed, educated, and judged by individuals of their own race. No longer will any race be exploited for the benefit of another in America.

how will this work? in the age of mixed populations? (or be found legal by anyone)
a grand collective shrug


it remains a wishlist
there are many goals, and no information on how to achieve them

[Luminesa]

my vehement desire to extirpate it isn't enough?

No force on earth can stop an idea whose time has come.

V for Vendetta is suing you for stealing edgy lines from their rejected script trashbin.

[Kowani]

Well as an educator my function to society requires I...well...educate, not cut people's heads off.

keep that as a threat for late homework

[Greater Miami Shores]

this is like the third or fourth time in this thread someone's replied to a post of mine with some variation of "you're wrong lol"
it would be annoying if it was not predictable
elaboration, people

I am not responsible for other's posts, but sometimes the words that flow from your mouth aren't really worthy of an in depth response. In this case, however, I think the reasoning why is transparent-you're saying they are short on policy why ignoring the fact there isn't any real difference between them and the Democratic platform. I only specify the Democrat because there is no 2020 GOP Platform; it was quite literally them voting to retain the same one from 2016. Yes, the NJP has a more succinct one, but word count does not define policy.

There isn't any real difference between them and the Democratic platform - Good Post, I strongly agree.

[Nakena]

Party programs are generally overrated and mostly declaration of intent.

[Kowani]

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so let's go through some examples, so we can see the difference
i shall attempt to keep it to comparable issues

No, I really don't see any difference and your attempts here are on the same vein as I already pointed; claiming victory by word count. Case in point, see here from the Democrat's platform on foreign policy:

Democrats will revitalize American diplomacy to ensure that the United States remains the world’s pivotal power and a principled force for peace and prosperity.

The United States should be at the head of the table whenever the safety and well-being of Americans is at stake, working in common cause with our allies and partners. Time and again, the Trump Administration has stormed out, leaving America’s seat at the table vacant and American interests on the menu. Americans deserve better.

There is absolutely nothing of substance here, just the same platitudes you are criticizing. As I said, just having more content doesn't a platform make.

literally on the same page
they elaborate on methods to bring that about

Democrats will support and invest in long overdue reforms to make the State Department more strategic, modern, agile, and effective. Rather than militarize our foreign policy, treat our diplomats with contempt, and call for reckless budget cuts, Democrats will put diplomacy back in the hands of professionals and ensure they are better prepared to advance American interests on the central issues of our time, like disruptive technology and climate change. We will recruit a new generation of Americans who want to serve their country abroad and ensure they have the training and tools they need. And we will expand and reform the Foreign Service so it reflects the diversity and richness of the country it represents.
[...]
Democrats will not only repair our alliances, but reinvent them to advance mutual priorities and deal with new challenges. We believe our alliances are strongest when they are rooted in shared democratic values. That’s why we need to signal clearly our profound concerns about democratic backsliding in a number of ally states, and why we need to work with allied democracies to end democracy’s global recession.
We will make developing shared responses to non-military threats like disinformation, corruption, and economic coercion, priorities in our agenda. We will work with our partners to improve interoperability, and we will encourage them to build up their defense capabilities, take greater responsibility for regional security, and contribute their fair share. But we will never treat our alliances like protection rackets. Democrats will not only reinvent existing alliances but also work to strengthen and build new partnerships in regions of growing strategic importance, particularly in Africa and Latin America.
[...]
Democrats believe that American security and prosperity are enhanced when the United States leads in shaping the rules, forging the agreements, and steering the institutions that guide international relations. We believe the system of international institutions we built and led over the past seven decades has generated an enormous return on our investment. And in today’s more competitive world, its renovation is a critical diplomatic priority. Unfortunately, President Trump has orchestrated an American retreat from global bodies that weakens our influence, cedes ground to our adversaries, and puts global peace and prosperity in jeopardy.

Instead of walking away, Democrats believe the United States should lead the way and mobilize our partners to work in common cause. We will rejoin and reform the WHO, the United Nations Human Rights Council, and the United Nations Population Fund, because in a global public health crisis and a global democratic recession, American leadership is needed more than ever. We will work to modernize international institutions to make sure they are fit for purpose in the 21st century and responsible stewards of both public funds and the world’s trust.
[...]
Democrats will devote the resources and implement the reforms necessary to further multiply the impact of foreign assistance. We will reaffirm America’s commitment to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals and promote data efforts and transparency measures that ensure accountability and help identify areas for strategic investment. We will incorporate local perspectives, including from civil society partners, into the design, execution, and evaluation of our programs to secure lasting impact. And we will provide the budgetary support and statutory authorities necessary to make sure our aid institutions, including the new U.S. International Development Finance Corporation, are successfully integrated into broader international and private-sector development efforts. Democrats will lead international efforts to help developing countries withstand and recover from debt crises caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, and we will push for international standards that establish more transparency and sustainability in development financing.
[...]

We will repair our relationships with African partners and publics, renewing our commitment to fight for democracy and human rights; advance peace and security; bolster economic growth and public health; and promote clean energy, sustainable agriculture, environmental protection, and decent work for all with special regard for youth and women. Democrats will recommit to the Obama-Biden Administration’s National Strategy for Combating Wildlife Trafficking and ban importation into the United States of hunting trophies from Africa’s iconic and endangered big cats. Democrats will seize opportunities to strengthen fragile political transitions in Sudan and Ethiopia while deepening relations with key partners. We will not shirk from our longstanding pledge to assist countries in Central Africa, the Sahel, and the Horn of Africa to counter extremism and address root causes of insecurity. We will support the implementation of the African Union’s African Continental Free Trade Agreement and its Agenda 2063 and promote a multi-faceted economic engagement focused on increasing two-way and regional trade, promoting investment and partnership in key industries. And we will assist in Africa’s recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic while expanding efforts to improve the resiliency of health systems across the continent. Moreover, we will stand in solidarity with our African counterparts against structural racism in the United States and abroad, and commit to elevate African voices in multilateral forums to solve the world’s most pressing problems.
[...]
Democrats will reaffirm the importance of North America to U.S. global economic competitiveness. We will ensure the USMCA lives up to its commitment to create prosperity for American workers, and we will strictly enforce compliance with its labor and environmental provisions. We will reinvigorate and build upon the North American Plan for Animal and Pandemic Influenza launched under the Obama-Biden Administration and work with our partners to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic, which has caused the biggest economic decline in history across Latin America and the Caribbean.

there is more, but i didn't feel like repeatedly hammering in the message would be useful
the difference is simple
the Dems lay out a goal. They then lay out broad steps to achieve that goal.
the NJP stops at the goal.
that you are determined to not recognize this point is not my fault

[New haven america]

You're remembering it wrong, but what I will say is that I met her purely because she happened to be passing through close to where I lived and we talked online for years. Whilst we get along fine enough, I couldn't not break it off for two main reasons: I'm economically unworthy because of my income/unemployment problem and because of my belief that people shouldn't mix outside their racial group.

Sai, having money and financial security is not a prerequisite to beginning a romantic relationship. Couples build themselves up from nothing but dreams, passions, and hard work on a semi-routine basis, supporting each other through the economically, emotionally, and mentally difficult times. You have got to stop internalizing this thought that simply because you don't have a job and haven't made your fortune yet that this somehow makes you less of a human being or less of a romantic prospect. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're in your twenties. These days nobody who isn't a trust fund baby is set up in their twenties. I'm a spoiled brat by most standards, and even I'm broke about 90% of the time.

I get how not having steady employment or a plan for the future can make a person feel defeated, stressed, and abominable. I've totally been there. I've been unemployed. I've been broke. I literally went about half a month subsisting on ramen once because I was broke and didn't want to involve my parents in my screw-ups. That doesn't make either of us less worthy of love or affection. And it doesn't have to be the sum total of who we are in that moment or in the future. You can get ahead, and you can still do a great many wonderful things if you set your mind to it. But it's going to be a lot more difficult than calling yourself "low-value" and having a perpetual pity party in your head. The world doesn't make anything easy. You can do it though. And you do have value even before you do it.

As for that last bit, why should race be more important than family?

While I can't control what she decides to do in life, ideally she'd get with an Asian man if not a Filipino man. My understanding is that lighter skin is coveted in some circles in the Philippines but that is not the answer. She should embrace her ethnic background and stick with it.

And what if she happened to like you because of who you are instead of your skin color?

All continuing too far would accomplish is give her a worse future than otherwise (because I'm not a good earner), and diminish her bloodline/virtue from my perspective. She had some irrational feelings but she surely got over it and it is of the greater good that I avoided ruining her life.

Why is it a forgone conclusion, in your mind, that you would have ruined this woman's life?

While I, like many on the forum, disagrees with basically everything Sai posts... I'm sorry, in adult relationships it most definitely is.

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

[Fahran]

Snip

The framing of several clauses seems to suggest otherwise.

The United States of America will be declared an outpost of Western civilization and a state dedicated to its European-heritage population and their posterity. It will be the policy of the state to set immigration and natal policy that will ensure a permanent European majority. The rights of historic minority populations will be respected.

We demand the extension of the 1964 Civil Rights act to provide equal protections and privileges to the White majority, or the act must be repealed.

We support the nationalization and strategic break ups of banks, mass media, and monopolistic corporations in order to create public accountability and guarantee that they serve the nation first.

We support a two percent ceiling on Jewish employment in vital institutions so that they better represent the ethnic and regional population balance of the country.

We support the sacred rights of free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association. Political views will not be censored by the state or any large private concerns. It will be illegal for any employer to retaliate against workers for political activism and expression outside the workplace.

We support private property rights, including a program to make home ownership more accessible to stably employed family men. Small businesses and communities will be granted the right to refuse service or home ownership to anyone for any reason they see fit.
We stand firm in defense of the right of law abiding citizens to own firearms.

We demand the FBI, which acts as nothing more than a political secret police force for elite interests, be abolished and replaced with a legitimate federal law enforcement agency.

We demand an end to political contributions and corporate lobbying. Elections must be publicly financed. The corrupt two party system must be abolished and replaced by a system that offers real representation to racial groups and economic classes.

We oppose America’s ongoing military entanglements and demand the return of all troops to the homeland. We will engage in diplomacy under the doctrine of ”America First” and cease the internationalist project of exporting liberalism.

We will nationalize the defense industry and make war profiteering a criminal act. All able bodied men will be conscripted into national service.

Lobbying on behalf of foreign nations will be banned and classified as espionage. Foreign negotiations will be conducted through official diplomatic channels.

We will declare Israel a rogue state and exporter of terrorism. The national rights of the Palestinian people must be respected.

We will establish a new economic policy that stresses the family wage, full and stable employment, and a strong middle class. We will abolish the income tax on productive work and put this burden on capital and speculative income.

We call for correcting the power imbalance between labor and management through a national labor organization that guarantees employee rights.

We support an industrial plan that brings home capital and manufacturing and invests in our depressed and de-industrialized heartland. We will implement massive public works projects to modernize our crumbling infrastructure.

Usurious and predatory lending practices will be outlawed. All credit will be issued by the state with no middle-man profiteers.

Health care is a right. Health care must be removed from the control of for-profit hospitals and insurance companies and made a public service for all people. Preventative care will be emphasized and physical fitness will be promoted.

We will restore reason, logic and tradition to the education system by implementing a comprehensive classical curriculum. Homosexual, neoliberal, and transgender propaganda will be explicitly banned from being taught to children.

We will establish a Department of Culture that will oversee the creation of art and architecture to enlighten the public through beauty and transcendence. Suburbs and small towns will be revitalized with beautification projects to make them walkable and attractive and to encourage social life.

The state must act as the steward of the environment. Industrial and economic needs will be balanced with quality of life and the preservation of natural beauty. Wildlife will be protected, and we will expand national parks and wilderness areas. Religious slaughter and other inhumane treatment of animals will be banned.

We support strong families. Married women will be paid by the state to care for their children. No fault divorce will be repealed, and homosexual marriage will be banned.

The benefits of automation will be shared among all citizens. Technological advancement will be used to reduce work hours, raise wages, lower the retirement age and increase pensions.

In order to put an end to racial conflict and hate, all people will be entitled to be policed, educated, and judged by individuals of their own race. No longer will any race be exploited for the benefit of another in America.

There are numerous references to rights, equality, and representation throughout the platform. I have no idea why they would bother with such language and framing when they could simply talk about perpetuating and entrenching white supremacy instead of prancing around it. They watered down the language considerably from similar groups of the past. In short, this platform is exceedingly sanitized and often uses arguments the party doesn't even genuinely endorse, all in a bid to seem somewhat palatable to more milquetoast white nationalists and possibly attract some more easily duped black nationalists.

[Fahran]

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

We could debate this at length, but this isn't really a good place to have a conversation on how women are totally materialistic and won't look your way if you're not making at least $40,000 a year and spoiling them with flowers and chocolates. Really though, I have no idea why you feel trying to reinforce Sai's pessimism about the world is in any way useful to his or anyone else's mental well-being or prospects at life.

[New haven america]

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

We could debate this at length, but this isn't really a good place to have a conversation on how women are totally materialistic and won't look your way if you're not making at least $40,000 a year and spoiling them with flowers and chocolates. Really though, I have no idea why you feel trying to reinforce Sai's pessimism about the world is in any way useful to his or anyone else's mental well-being or prospects at life.

Well that's not what I said so... Do I feel some projection emanating from this post? I think I do. (Hint: My critique wasn't based on misogyny, it was based on the gender role that women shouldn't be the breadwinners. Which is a sexist gender role most of society has no issue perpetuating for some reason, both men and women)

But it's not pessimistic, it's true, realism if you will. Unless you have some sort of disability/mental health issue that keeps you from working, you cannot be in an adult relationship without an income and some semblance of independence. It's not feasible. (Even then, if you are in that situation, disability checks are a thing that exists)

[San Lumen]

It's sort of weird how the far right in America can't decide if it loves the Jews or hates them.
No middle ground though. It's either one or the other.

Usually its the state of Israel that is loved and not the Jewish people itself for the American Right from what I can tell. That is my stance anyways. Don't like the Jewish people or culture for the most part, but love the country of Israel enough to want it to keep existing, and to provide a place for Jewish people the world over to reside if they so choose.

What don’t you like about Jews?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

It's sort of weird how the far right in America can't decide if it loves the Jews or hates them.
No middle ground though. It's either one or the other.

Usually its the state of Israel that is loved and not the Jewish people itself for the American Right from what I can tell. That is my stance anyways. Don't like the Jewish people or culture for the most part, but love the country of Israel enough to want it to keep existing, and to provide a place for Jewish people the world over to reside if they so choose.

So it's: I hate Jews so much I want them to go away and live in Israel so everyone's happy?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Usually its the state of Israel that is loved and not the Jewish people itself for the American Right from what I can tell. That is my stance anyways. Don't like the Jewish people or culture for the most part, but love the country of Israel enough to want it to keep existing, and to provide a place for Jewish people the world over to reside if they so choose.

What don’t you like about Jews?

Nazis think you all are involved in some anti-white conspiracy. He probably found some anti-white professors who are like that for ideological reasons, and they probably happened to be Jewish, and he thinks they represent all Jews or something, and then brought into Nazi propaganda.

[Nakena]

What don’t you like about Jews?

Nazis think you all are involved in some anti-white conspiracy. He probably found some anti-white professors who are like that for ideological reasons, and they probably happened to be Jewish, and he thinks they represent all Jews or something, and then brought into Nazi propaganda.

Or maybe he's into the work of Kevin B. MacDonald.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Nazis think you all are involved in some anti-white conspiracy. He probably found some anti-white professors who are like that for ideological reasons, and they probably happened to be Jewish, and he thinks they represent all Jews or something, and then brought into Nazi propaganda.

Or maybe he's into the work of Kevin B. MacDonald.

Someone actually tried to get me to read that nut.

[-Astoria-]

Nazis think you all are involved in some anti-white conspiracy. He probably found some anti-white professors who are like that for ideological reasons, and they probably happened to be Jewish, and he thinks they represent all Jews or something, and then brought into Nazi propaganda.

Or maybe he's into the work of Kevin B. MacDonald.

Now that's a name that's familiar.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Or maybe he's into the work of Kevin B. MacDonald.

Now that's a name that's familiar.

I haven't seen you in a while. Lol.

[Thermodolia]

trying to get back on topic, what would WS actually achieve. turning a country into an exclusive club so you can say you're superior

What would they achieve? Well generally it involves getting embargoed by 90% of the world or getting blown to bits because the allied nations decided that they had enough

[Borderlands of Rojava]

trying to get back on topic, what would WS actually achieve. turning a country into an exclusive club so you can say you're superior

What would they achieve? Well generally it involves getting embargoed by 90% of the world or getting blown to bits because the allied nations decided that they had enough

Nazi Germany waged a war for race. Six years later, their chancellor committed suicide.

[Thermodolia]

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways.

No offense dude but you’re a minority who also has a disability. You’d unfortunately be a prime target if any genocides where to take place.

And they would take place. The Nazis first tried deportation but that took too long so they switched to genocide

[The Opinions Guy]

For men specifically, if you're older than 18 and don't have a semi-steady income, good luck getting any woman in your age range to even look in your direction. You can't expect your parents to pay for all your dates and act as transportation. (Plus, a lot of or even the slight majority of straight women will not get with men who are less financially successful than they themselves are past a certain age, usually mid 30's and beyond) Hopes and dreams don't pay for dates, gifts, and rent.

OK, I'm 15 and even I know that that's a bunch of bullsh*t. Women are humans. They love people, and they want to be loved, just as much as men. Are there a few assholes, who only care about the size of your paycheck? Yes, definitely. But the VAST majority of women are just other people, who have their own lives, friends, and aspirations, just like yourself. Besides, there are lots of women who also don't have a steady income. I get the feeling that you've had a bad experience in the past, but maybe I'm just assuming too much. Sorry for bringing up this post from a while back, but I saw it and it really bugged me.

[Elwher]

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways.

No offense dude but you’re a minority who also has a disability. You’d unfortunately be a prime target if any genocides where to take place.

And they would take place. The Nazis first tried deportation but that took too long so they switched to genocide

There was also a severe shortage of places that wanted to take the deportees

[Thermodolia]

You are delusional if you think they just want a nice little Christian democracy for their people. Go onto Stormfront or any other white supremacist space, the majority of them openly idolize Hitler and the Nazis. They'd kill you and all your Cuban friends in a heartbeat.

I have read their views on Cubans and all ethnic and racial groups, Where do you think I have been and I will never say where I have been? Yes, they idolize Hitler but they still want their White Christian Ethnic State for Whites Only. Dude Rojava Knows what I am talking about, Dude 95 % of my Cuban Family is White Euro Blond Haired Blue Eyed Cubans on all sides of our Cuban Family, I have a Cuban Red Haired Ginger Cousin Cuban and their kids in the family. We have white Euro Americans Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of the USA and their kids in the Family.

From España La Madre Patria Descent From Northern España La Madre Patria. I can share more details and I think I can related it to the topic of this thread on my Cuban Family's ethnic Euro Descents through Argentina and Uruguay they imigrated there from España La Madre Patria, Viva España La Madre Patria.

Dude it doesn’t matter. A lot of Jews where very much german and that didn’t save them. All of your super patriotic “USA USA USA” bullshit won’t save you.

On top of that you have a disability, one which is hereditary, and WN/WS have never looked kindly on people with disabilities.

If a WS/WN nation where to rise up in the US you and me would be near the first to go. Though I’d rather go down by blowing up a government building than be tossed into a train car