White Supremacy discussion thread

[Samudera Darussalam]

I wonder if White supremacists would eventually accept whiter-looking Hispanics and Arabs if they were generally assimilated into American 'whiteness'.

What defines 'American whiteness' tbh?
Also, that depends on the White supremacists themselves I guess. Sai said pages back that a drip of non-white ancestry in one's blood will be enough for him to consider the person as non-white, due to them being not "pure".

[Fahran]

I wonder if White supremacists would eventually accept whiter-looking Hispanics and Arabs if they were generally assimilated into American 'whiteness'.

There's been a lot of suggestions that they'll eventually accept light-complected Latinos, especially given, as Ko pointed out, a lot of them tend to assimilate and identify as white within the span of two or three generations of living among Anglo-Americans.

[Old Tyrannia]

Ok While I have taken part in this thread I really suggest you guys get back on topic.

In fairness, it's hard to maintain a serious and on-topic discussion about white supremacy here simply because there aren't enough unironic white supremacists to produce a two-way dialogue. In fact, in general I would say that unironic and self-identified white supremacists are almost insignificant as a proportion of the population in most historically majority "white" nations. Racist views are much more common, of course, but few racists will explicitly identify themselves as supremacist- they are more likely to present themselves as "white nationalists" or under some other less explicitly supervillainy-sounding term, and couch their arguments and goals in terms of "preserving the white race" and "separate but equal" communities. The term "white supremacist" is one that tends to be applied to individuals or groups by others in a pejorative fashion- and I don't mean to imply that groups labelled as such aren't in practice promoting supremacist rhetoric, or that there is any significant difference in reality between "white nationalist" ideology and "white supremacism." Simply that the term "white supremacist" is rarely used as a self-identifier by people on the far-right.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Using identity to distract from economic woes.

Tucker's rhetoric and goals are more complicated than that. He's not a neoliberal, and it's not a distraction. He wants to subjugate economic policy to racial policy, not the other way around.

He shills for the GOP. He is using racial policy to distract from economic policies all while pretending to be motivated by other goals.

[Saiwania]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

[Stellar Colonies]

I wonder if White supremacists would eventually accept whiter-looking Hispanics and Arabs if they were generally assimilated into American 'whiteness'.

What defines 'American whiteness' tbh?
Also, that depends on the White supremacists themselves I guess. Sai said pages back that a drip of non-white ancestry in one's blood will be enough for him to consider the person as non-white, due to them being not "pure".

What does...what do people mean when they say "whiteness?" Because I always interpret it as "the quality of being white."
As in
A person's "whiteness" is the fact that they're white.

Something to do with 'white culture(s)' I guess, although it has always been fairly vague and contradictory.

I wonder if White supremacists would eventually accept whiter-looking Hispanics and Arabs if they were generally assimilated into American 'whiteness'.

There's been a lot of suggestions that they'll eventually accept light-complexed Latinos, especially given, as Ko pointed out, a lot of them tend to assimilate and identify as white within the span of two or three generations of living among Anglo-Americans.

Yep

[Punished UMN]

Tucker's rhetoric and goals are more complicated than that. He's not a neoliberal, and it's not a distraction. He wants to subjugate economic policy to racial policy, not the other way around.

He shills for the GOP. He is using racial policy to distract from economic policies all while pretending to be motivated by other goals.

Then why does he talk about economic policy all the time? Tucker's not just a neolib using race as a distraction, he is a fascist.

[Suriyanakhon]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

I... don't think you understand how mutations work.

[Sengoku Americas]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

White supremacists join the corona deniers, anti-vaccinators, and global warming deniers in not accepting scientific evidence.

[Drew Durrnil]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

The white people in South Africa weren't in the sun for a long enough time.

[New haven america]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

1. There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. 2. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

1. Skin tone can change within a couple of generations given the right conditions
2. Thank god the world doesn't work IRL like it does in your mind

Hey Sai, do you know about the Sami? They're a European group located in Northern Fennoscandia (I love that word), and ~1/2 of the population has the same skin tone as the person in the picture you saw.

[The Reformed American Republic]

He shills for the GOP. He is using racial policy to distract from economic policies all while pretending to be motivated by other goals.

Then why does he talk about economic policy all the time? Tucker's not just a neolib using race as a distraction, he is a fascist.

He is a fake populist, just like Trump. Maybe he is a crypto-fascist, but either way, he will not overturn the neoliberal order.

[Punished UMN]

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

So how do you explain how White people even exist lmao

[Sengoku Americas]

He shills for the GOP. He is using racial policy to distract from economic policies all while pretending to be motivated by other goals.

Then why does he talk about economic policy all the time? Tucker's not just a neolib using race as a distraction, he is a fascist.

To be fair, both the American conservative and liberal politicians really only want to push forward their economic agenda to benefit the rich.

[Kowani]

okay
because the threadjack is hella strong
here's the nation's most popular cable host leaning into white replacement theory live

and here's him doubling down a day or so later

Tucker's probably the most prominent crypto-fascist in the country.

oh, i don't disagree
he just also happens to be the most prominent newscaster in the country
But even that reach is far more prominent than it would otherwise appear
even in the age of streaming, he's leagues ahead of other comparable talking heads-

and we also know that expose to Fox News makes other newspapers more extremist

We find that exposure to Fox News (relative to CNN/MSNBC) tends to polarize language: Historically Republican newspapers become more conservative (FNC-like), while historically Democrat newspapers become more liberal (CNN/MSNBC-like). Media slant from cable news is
selectively contagious, in a way that increases political polarization in local news discourse

just another reason the murdoch mind-murdering machine must be excised from public life

okay
because the threadjack is hella strong
here's the nation's most popular cable host leaning into white replacement theory live

and here's him doubling down a day or so later

Using identity to distract from economic woes.

it is...worse than just that, though that is still present

[Fahran]

Then why does he talk about economic policy all the time? Tucker's not just a neolib using race as a distraction, he is a fascist.

I'd have stopped it at racist grifter honestly.

[Suriyanakhon]

There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

The white people in South Africa weren't in Sousth Africa for a long enough time.

Being in a warmer climate isn't going to alter your genes.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

1. There is no way that can be true if skin color doesn't magically just change so drastically in the span of such short of a time. 2. Skin color only really changes in my mind, if they reproduced outside of their racial group or ethnicity. The White people in South Africa didn't become Black for example, just because they were too close to the equator. They stayed White so long as they kept to their own race.

1. Skin tone can change within a couple of generations given the right conditions
2. Thank god the world doesn't work IRL like it does in your mind

Hey Sai, do you know about the Sami? They're a European group located in Northern Fennoscandia (I love that word), and ~1/2 of the population has the same skin tone as the person in the picture you saw.

I've heard of the Sami, though I am not aware of their complexions.
Also: Not all European countries speak Indo-European languages Shout-out to Hungary, Finland, and Estonia.

Hang on, color adjectives aren't capitalized--

[Greater Miami Shores]

I wasn't even trying to threadjack this time, it started from an off-hand comment I made with no elaboration that everyone else jumped on. I'm just that good. Dance, puppets, dance.

From a Right Wing Republican Nationalist Perspective, he makes a lot of sense. The title of most popular cable TV Host since Rush Limbaugh is a great honor for him.

I now have the links for my post records directly on my post:

here's the nation's most popular cable host leaning into white replacement theory live

and here's him doubling down a day or so later

[Sengoku Americas]

Tucker's probably the most prominent crypto-fascist in the country.

oh, i don't disagree
he just also happens to be the most prominent newscaster in the country
But even that reach is far more prominent than it would otherwise appear
even in the age of streaming, he's leagues ahead of other comparable talking heads-

and we also know that expose to Fox News makes other newspapers more extremist

We find that exposure to Fox News (relative to CNN/MSNBC) tends to polarize language: Historically Republican newspapers become more conservative (FNC-like), while historically Democrat newspapers become more liberal (CNN/MSNBC-like). Media slant from cable news is
selectively contagious, in a way that increases political polarization in local news discourse

just another reason the murdoch mind-murdering machine must be excised from public life

Using identity to distract from economic woes.

it is...worse than just that, though that is still present

Faux News is honestly one of the most terrible things to ever exist. I don't know how they managed to create a product worse than Cable Snooze Network.

[Punished UMN]

Then why does he talk about economic policy all the time? Tucker's not just a neolib using race as a distraction, he is a fascist.

To be fair, both the American conservative and liberal politicians really only want to push forward their economic agenda to benefit the rich.

He's not doing that though, he's outright advocating giving more power to the state to destroy corporations because he views the agenda of capitalism as being opposed to ethnic-nationalism.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Kowani, he might be an actual racist, but people should view him as a controlled opponent of the neoliberal establishment, rather than a fascistic populist.

[Punished UMN]

Kowani, he might be an actual racist, but people should view him as a controlled opponent of the neoliberal establishment, rather than a fascistic populist.

He is the most prominent political commentator in the US, if not the entire world. You may not like it, but he is influential.

[Samudera Darussalam]

1. Skin tone can change within a couple of generations given the right conditions
2. Thank god the world doesn't work IRL like it does in your mind

Hey Sai, do you know about the Sami? They're a European group located in Northern Fennoscandia (I love that word), and ~1/2 of the population has the same skin tone as the person in the picture you saw.

I've heard of the Sami, though I am not aware of their complexions.
Also: Not all European countries speak Indo-European languages Shout-out to Hungary, Finland, and Estonia.

Hang on, color adjectives aren't capitalized--

I'd say that Maltese is a kind of Semitic language since it is descended from Siculo-Arabic, so that makes it 4.

[Sengoku Americas]

Kowani, he might be an actual racist, but people should view him as a controlled opponent of the neoliberal establishment, rather than a fascistic populist.

We can debate about what he is all day, and it won't get us anywhere. The question we should really care about is: "How can we oppose him and those like him?"