White Supremacy discussion thread

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

With regard to anti-miscegenation arguments, what import does race possess, either intrinsically or in society, that necessitates the state refusing to acknowledge multiracial marriages and families? I cannot think of anything substantive.

What is substantive about it is if the sovereign state in question considers itself a nation-state, as defined by having a majority population with a common culture, ethnicity, genetics, history, and so on. China for example, devotes quite a lot of effort in ensuring that they maintain a Han majority throughout their entire territory. Even going so far as to forcibly sterilize Uyghur women and coercing them into having children with Han men or entering into marriages with such men in exchange for money and so on.

Its obvious to me that China sees maintaining native traits/skin color as important, beyond just preserving its culture/society from outside influences.

The United States doesn't consider itself a nation-state, yet you want it to be a white country.

Which way is it Sai? Are you forcing countries to be white or not? Are you for ethnic self-determination or not?

[San Lumen]

With regard to anti-miscegenation arguments, what import does race possess, either intrinsically or in society, that necessitates the state refusing to acknowledge multiracial marriages and families? I cannot think of anything substantive.

What is substantive about it is if the sovereign state in question considers itself a nation-state, as defined by having a majority population with a common culture, ethnicity, genetics, history, and so on. China for example, devotes quite a lot of effort in ensuring that they maintain a Han majority throughout their entire territory. Even going so far as to forcibly sterilize Uyghur women and coercing them into having children with Han men or entering into marriages with such men in exchange for money and so on.

Its obvious to me that China sees maintaining native traits/skin color as important, beyond just preserving its culture/society from outside influences.

All of those things China does are reprehensible and a violation of human rights.

Does a multicultural place like Miami or Houston not have any of those things you mentioned? Why is it so important to maintain a white majority?

Any western country and administrative division within or municipality attempting to do any of that would not only be discriminatory and morally wrong it would be unconstitutional.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

With regard to anti-miscegenation arguments, what import does race possess, either intrinsically or in society, that necessitates the state refusing to acknowledge multiracial marriages and families? I cannot think of anything substantive.

What is substantive about it is if the sovereign state in question considers itself a nation-state, as defined by having a majority population with a common culture, ethnicity, genetics, history, and so on. China for example, devotes quite a lot of effort in ensuring that they maintain a Han majority throughout their entire territory. Even going so far as to forcibly sterilize Uyghur women and coercing them into having children with Han men or entering into marriages with such men in exchange for money and so on.

Its obvious to me that China sees maintaining its native traits/skin color as important, beyond just preserving its culture/society from outside influences.

Sai the Chinese aren't concerned about native traits such as skin color or they wouldn't be bigoted toward people who look just like them (The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese etc). Your understanding of race is not theirs.

Also you can have an ethnicity without a shared skin color. Not even all white people have the same traits.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That does not give you the right to dictate to people who they should and should not be allowed to marry.

Their respective families and relatives are what have pull/influence with regards to that, more often than not. If the family disapproves, they're free to disown/punish their son/daughter however they see fit.

What's the point of preserving the white race if you have to ruin countless white people's lives to do it?

[San Lumen]

Their respective families and relatives are what have pull/influence with regards to that, more often than not. If the family disapproves, they're free to disown/punish their son/daughter however they see fit.

What's the point of preserving the white race if you have to ruin countless white people's lives to do it?

I dont think some white supremacists care.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

What's the point of preserving the white race if you have to ruin countless white people's lives to do it?

I dont think some white supremacists care.

They'll preserve their race even if they have to kill most of their people to do it. Such is the paradox of the bigot.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

What is substantive about it is if the sovereign state in question considers itself a nation-state, as defined by having a majority population with a common culture, ethnicity, genetics, history, and so on. China for example, devotes quite a lot of effort in ensuring that they maintain a Han majority throughout their entire territory. Even going so far as to forcibly sterilize Uyghur women and coercing them into having children with Han men or entering into marriages with such men in exchange for money and so on.

Its obvious to me that China sees maintaining its native traits/skin color as important, beyond just preserving its culture/society from outside influences.

Sai the Chinese aren't concerned about native traits such as skin color or they wouldn't be bigoted toward people who look just like them (The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese etc). Your understanding of race is not theirs.

Also you can have an ethnicity without a shared skin color. Not even all white people have the same traits.

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Sai the Chinese aren't concerned about native traits such as skin color or they wouldn't be bigoted toward people who look just like them (The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese etc). Your understanding of race is not theirs.

Also you can have an ethnicity without a shared skin color. Not even all white people have the same traits.

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

Sai claims that he's concerned about his phenotype but then pretends that biological races exist and that only pure Europeans are white.

Someone explain to me how if a ginger haired fair skinned Lebanese man and an Irish woman with ginger hair have a kid, the kid won't be fair skinned, ginger and green or blue eyed aka "white" in Sai's view. I pointed out earlier how Sai worries about an influx of Syrians bringing about the end of his phenotype but a good half of Syrians literally would fit in at a Trump rally or Saint Patrick's Day festival, so I don't see how they'll end his phenotype. Sai contradicts himself a lot and his views are confusing to say the least.

[Stellar Colonies]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

Sai claims that he's concerned about his phenotype but then pretends that biological races exist and that only pure Europeans are white.

Someone explain to me how if a ginger haired fair skinned Lebanese man and an Irish woman with ginger hair have a kid, the kid won't be fair skinned, ginger and green or blue eyed aka "white" in Sai's view. I pointed out earlier how Sai worries about an influx of Syrians bringing about the end of his phenotype but a good half of Syrians literally would fit in at a Trump rally or Saint Patrick's Day festival, so I don't see how they'll end his phenotype. Sai contradicts himself a lot and his views are confusing to say the least.

Some of the groups which white supremacists are concerned about, such as some Arabs and some Hispanics, will probably be assimilated into the American definition of 'white' anyway with time.

[Dakini]

Sai the Chinese aren't concerned about native traits such as skin color or they wouldn't be bigoted toward people who look just like them (The Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese etc). Your understanding of race is not theirs.

Also you can have an ethnicity without a shared skin color. Not even all white people have the same traits.

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

Whiteness is also a fairly arbitrary grouping. For a long time, the Irish and highland Scots weren't considered "white" and you can read loads of old-timey racist nonsense about how inferior these "Celtic races" were (this is how the English justified things like the highland clearances or letting the Irish starve during the famine). There are still white supremacists out there who don't consider southern or eastern Europeans white too, even though they're usually considered so by most people.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

Whiteness is also a fairly arbitrary grouping. For a long time, the Irish and highland Scots weren't considered "white" and you can read loads of old-timey racist nonsense about how inferior these "Celtic races" were (this is how the English justified things like the highland clearances or letting the Irish starve during the famine). There are still white supremacists out there who don't consider southern or eastern Europeans white too, even though they're usually considered so by most people.

Alot of white supremacists don't consider Bosniaks or Albanians white because of a combination of their features and skin color (more so among Albanians than among Bosnians who look fairly South slavic) and their Islamic faith. Brenton Tarrant's manifesto referred to Bosnians and Kosovars are "Muslim occupiers" which is ironic since both are native to southeast Europe.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

Sai claims that he's concerned about his phenotype but then pretends that biological races exist and that only pure Europeans are white.

Someone explain to me how if a ginger haired fair skinned Lebanese man and an Irish woman with ginger hair have a kid, the kid won't be fair skinned, ginger and green or blue eyed aka "white" in Sai's view. I pointed out earlier how Sai worries about an influx of Syrians bringing about the end of his phenotype but a good half of Syrians literally would fit in at a Trump rally or Saint Patrick's Day festival, so I don't see how they'll end his phenotype. Sai contradicts himself a lot and his views are confusing to say the least.

Definitely confusing. He applauds the Chinese for their (key word here) ethnic cleansing while supporting cleansing based on "that person doesn't look like me." It's completely arbitrary and illogical.

[Saiwania]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

I think you underestimate how many south Americans look like your definition of white, especially in Colombia or Argentina.

[Dakini]

Whiteness is also a fairly arbitrary grouping. For a long time, the Irish and highland Scots weren't considered "white" and you can read loads of old-timey racist nonsense about how inferior these "Celtic races" were (this is how the English justified things like the highland clearances or letting the Irish starve during the famine). There are still white supremacists out there who don't consider southern or eastern Europeans white too, even though they're usually considered so by most people.

Alot of white supremacists don't consider Bosniaks or Albanians white because of a combination of their features and skin color (more so among Albanians than among Bosnians who look fairly South slavic) and their Islamic faith. Brenton Tarrant's manifesto referred to Bosnians and Kosovars are "Muslim occupiers" which is ironic since both are native to southeast Europe.

Exactly. It's all ridiculous nonsense because race is really an arbitrary social construct more than anything else.


(note: I'm not saying that social constructs don't affect people's lives or anything like that. Money is also a social construct and it definitely affects everyone's lives, just as racism does real harm to people.)

[The Emerald Legion]

Yes. If it's just words, why not? Anti-Whites and supremacists of all other races have the ability to do so.

Only white supremacists are much larger and more influential than amy other racial supremacists. This isn't to say other racial supremacists aren't bad, but yelling about how other people can also be racist when we're taling about white supremacy doesn't really add anything to the conversation.

If you want someone to say other racial supremacists should also not be alowed to promote supremacy, I'll say it.

No they aren't?

White Supremacists are a tiny minority of the population with literally no power. Meanwhile you have open supremacists of every other stripe in various positions of power.

[San Lumen]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

what is so special about white skin?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Alot of white supremacists don't consider Bosniaks or Albanians white because of a combination of their features and skin color (more so among Albanians than among Bosnians who look fairly South slavic) and their Islamic faith. Brenton Tarrant's manifesto referred to Bosnians and Kosovars are "Muslim occupiers" which is ironic since both are native to southeast Europe.

Exactly. It's all ridiculous nonsense because race is really an arbitrary social construct more than anything else.


(note: I'm not saying that social constructs don't affect people's lives or anything like that. Money is also a social construct and it definitely affects everyone's lives, just as racism does real harm to people.)

I often tell people I try to be colorblind and I get accused of not wanting to confront racism. In reality when I say I'm colorblind, it doesn't mean I don't see racism. I see it quite often. I treat people in a colorblind fashion in the sense that I don't judge people based on their skin color and I stand up for the rights of anyone regardless of where they're from.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Only white supremacists are much larger and more influential than amy other racial supremacists. This isn't to say other racial supremacists aren't bad, but yelling about how other people can also be racist when we're taling about white supremacy doesn't really add anything to the conversation.

If you want someone to say other racial supremacists should also not be alowed to promote supremacy, I'll say it.

No they aren't?

White Supremacists are a tiny minority of the population with literally no power. Meanwhile you have open supremacists of every other stripe in various positions of power.

You must have been asleep when the last president was in charge. The one who's ragtag band of capitol attackers included many a neo nazi.

An ABC News report which was released in 2007 recounted that past ABC polls which were conducted over a period of several years have tended to find that "six percent have self-reported harboring prejudice against Jews, 27 percent have self-reported harboring prejudice against Muslims, 25 percent have self-reported harboring prejudice against Arabs," and "one in 10 have conceded harboring at least a little bit of prejudice " against Hispanic Americans. The report also stated that a full 34% of Americans reported harboring "some racist feelings" in general as a self-description.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in ... ted_States

Damn that doesn't look like a small minority. 34% of Americans reported openly that they harbor racial prejudice? And I'm supposed to believe that that 34% are just unconscious bigots at best? Please.

[Dakini]

Only white supremacists are much larger and more influential than amy other racial supremacists. This isn't to say other racial supremacists aren't bad, but yelling about how other people can also be racist when we're taling about white supremacy doesn't really add anything to the conversation.

If you want someone to say other racial supremacists should also not be alowed to promote supremacy, I'll say it.

No they aren't?

White Supremacists are a tiny minority of the population with literally no power. Meanwhile you have open supremacists of every other stripe in various positions of power.

That is by far the most ludicrous thing I've read all day. White supremacists have a lot of power, especially in North America and to a lesser (but still concerning) extent in Europe.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

It's definitely quite funny to me. Sai acts like white people all have something in common, but in truth they don't. A Basque shares next to nothing in terms of common tradition with a Finn, yet he puts them into the same group. Similarly, he divides Bengalis and Germans into different groups despite both being Indo-Europeans.

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

This may come as a surprise to you Sai, but ethnic groups don't actually share the same skin color. So you would actually be separating people extremely arbitrarily. Plus ethnically homogenous states like Japan haven't had problems of "going extinct," so your logic there doesn't actually work.

And by the way, Japan's population is only declining today because of industrialization. Once the whole world is industrialized and developed, population declines will follow. So no Sai, your post is wrong on all counts. Try again.

[National Capitalist United States]

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

I think you underestimate how many south Americans look like your definition of white, especially in Colombia or Argentina.

Asians are also pretty pale

[Dakini]

And by the way, Japan's population is only declining today because of industrialization. Once the whole world is industrialized and developed, population declines will follow. So no Sai, your post is wrong on all counts. Try again.

Japan has a lot of issues when it comes to its population decline. Mostly it's people working stupid long hours without being paid enough combined with a whole lot of sexism which keeps women from wanting to get married or have kids (because getting married often means you stop getting promoted at work and having kids often means you can't work any more).

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No they aren't?

White Supremacists are a tiny minority of the population with literally no power. Meanwhile you have open supremacists of every other stripe in various positions of power.

That is by far the most ludicrous thing I've read all day. White supremacists have a lot of power, especially in North America and to a lesser (but still concerning) extent in Europe.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/ ... tionalists

11 million Americans is a tiny minority with no power now.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What's important to me is that the skin color stays the same. If a stereotypical French and German reproduced, the child would be White. The same isn't true if a European reproduced with an African or Asian or South American generally speaking. Hence, the White skin color would be jeopardized because the darker skin color traits will prevail more often than not. White skin continuing is contingent on Whites pairing with other Whites for the most part.

I don't see it as viable for ethnic groups to only ever stay within their ethnicity because the population sizes of the individual ethnicities is too small. If ethnic groups remain too pure, they'll go extinct or have genetic problems. The same isn't true of racial groups however, in my mind. If different ethnic groups that share a common skin color mix, there will be enough genetic diversity whilst also ensuring the skin color won't drastically change between generations.

I think you underestimate how many south Americans look like your definition of white, especially in Colombia or Argentina.

There's been quite a few Puerto Rican ladies I've worked with over the last few years who could pass for Nordic. Facial features, skin color, natural hair color, etc.

Race is a fucking stupid concept.