White Supremacy discussion thread

[The Reformed American Republic]

So this isn't missed.

Are you trying to get me to respond to that or something?

Just making sure you seen it. Such posts get buried very quickly in a topic like this.

[SD_Film Artists]

I dont think you should be legally obligated to speak against racism, but it tends to be a good thing to say "I think racism belongs in the garbage."

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

IIRC she was fired over some comments on how the Nazis treated jews. However the poor taste was grossly exaggerated by Disney and they acted like hypocritical hacks by firing her.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I dont think you should be legally obligated to speak against racism, but it tends to be a good thing to say "I think racism belongs in the garbage."

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

Tbh it can be hard for people to speak up. Imagine being out in public and seeing some rando screaming racial slurs as somebody. It isnt gonna be easy for someone to just walk up to said rando and say "hey don't do that." So idk if silence is consent. People don't always know what to do in the moment.

[Zurkir]

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

IIRC she was fired over some comments on how the Nazis treated jews. However the poor taste was exaggerated by Disney and they acted like hypocritical hacks by firing her.

The pressure from the activist types who started the fire itself. Her remarks were along the lines of “being a conservative in America today is akin to the treatment of Jews during the rise and early days of nazi Germany”. A clumsy comparison but to be fair the left wing has worn out the word “nazi” themselves with the endless melodramatic comparisons to literally everything conflicting their own views and principles.
Besides, once the mob started on her about being a “racist” and a “transphobe” it was only a matter of time. It always is.

[Zurkir]

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

Tbh it can be hard for people to speak up. Imagine being out in public and seeing some rando screaming racial slurs as somebody. It isnt gonna be easy for someone to just walk up to said rando and say "hey don't do that." So idk if silence is consent. People don't always know what to do in the moment.

People don’t speak up about a lot of things.

Stealing, cheating, bullying, threats and blackmail, etcetera... Racism included.
It’s a personal weakness not signs of a grand collective disease or a deeply rooted evil in society as a whole.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Tbh it can be hard for people to speak up. Imagine being out in public and seeing some rando screaming racial slurs as somebody. It isnt gonna be easy for someone to just walk up to said rando and say "hey don't do that." So idk if silence is consent. People don't always know what to do in the moment.

People don’t speak up about a lot of things.

Stealing, cheating, bullying, threats and blackmail, etcetera... Racism included.
It’s a personal weakness not signs of a grand collective disease or rooted evil.

NGL if you're not speaking up against racism that is literally killing people then that's pretty sus tbh.

[Dakini]

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

IIRC she was fired over some comments on how the Nazis treated jews. However the poor taste was grossly exaggerated by Disney and they acted like hypocritical hacks by firing her.

They didn't really fire her. They didn't renew her contract, which isn't exactly the same.

[Zurkir]

IIRC she was fired over some comments on how the Nazis treated jews. However the poor taste was grossly exaggerated by Disney and they acted like hypocritical hacks by firing her.

They didn't really fire her. They didn't renew her contract, which isn't exactly the same.

Hmmmm...

“Lucasfilm announced Carano’s firing by calling her social media posts “abhorrent and unacceptable” in how they “denigrated people based on their cultural and religious identities.” Following her firing, a THR report broke the news that Lucasfilm had privately scrapped plans last year to announce Carano as the star of a “Mandalorian” spinoff series in the midst of her social media controversy (most likely “Rangers of the New Republic”).

She was also dropped by her agency.


But, not the same thing.

[Zurkir]

People don’t speak up about a lot of things.

Stealing, cheating, bullying, threats and blackmail, etcetera... Racism included.
It’s a personal weakness not signs of a grand collective disease or rooted evil.

NGL if you're not speaking up against racism that is literally killing people then that's pretty sus tbh.

Well what would you call “speaking up against it”? And frankly, do you do it??

Just because people don’t attend rallies every week/weekend or troll around on the internet vocalizing from a directive doesn’t mean that they are racists or part of the problem.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

NGL if you're not speaking up against racism that is literally killing people then that's pretty sus tbh.

Well what would you call “speaking up against it”? And frankly, do you do it?? Just because people don’t attend rallies every week/weekend or troll around on the internet vocalizing from a directive doesn’t mean that they are racists or part of the problem.

Sure. I'm not really specifically talking about Carano. She's a pretty 'meh' actress so I don't really care much. Her stuff was blown wildly out of proportion.

But generally speaking if someone comes up to you and asks "Hey, do you support this movement against racism in law enforcement and police brutality in general?" the proper responses is "Yes, of course, racism and police brutality are terrible things which we as a society should try to combat." I'd think this fairly obvious.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

People don’t speak up about a lot of things.

Stealing, cheating, bullying, threats and blackmail, etcetera... Racism included.
It’s a personal weakness not signs of a grand collective disease or rooted evil.

NGL if you're not speaking up against racism that is literally killing people then that's pretty sus tbh.

I think people should call out racism but I'm saying that if someone sees it going on right in front of them and doesn't react, it isn't necessarily that they condone it. Sometimes people don't know how to act.

[Dakini]

Of course.

The problem is though that the “silence is cowardice” attitude can cause one’s career/job to come to an end or be regularly stifled if those holding that attitude take the radical approach. Just look at Gina Carano, she made the mistake of thinking her Twitter actually belonged to her and refused to tweet her support for BLM which lead to racism accusations and loss of her work at Disney. And that’s just one simple example.

There aren’t as many people who support actual white supremacy and racism as the ivory tower politicians and busybody activists stamp their feet saying that there is. Hint on the “actual white supremacy and racism”.

Tbh it can be hard for people to speak up. Imagine being out in public and seeing some rando screaming racial slurs as somebody. It isnt gonna be easy for someone to just walk up to said rando and say "hey don't do that." So idk if silence is consent. People don't always know what to do in the moment.

If you witness someone is screaming racial slurs at another person, one thing you can do is talk to the person who is being attacked instead of confronting their attacker. You can help them get somewhere safer or at the very least, show their attacker that they aren't alone and someone will help them.

This is probably not the most common type of racism you are likely to encounter day to day though. More often, you might find someone (a friend, a colleague) telling a racist joke or making a comment in an otherwise polite conversation. It is much easier to confront a person in this situation than to deal with a stranger who is already hurling abuse at another stranger.

[Dakini]

They didn't really fire her. They didn't renew her contract, which isn't exactly the same.

Hmmmm...

“Lucasfilm announced Carano’s firing by calling her social media posts “abhorrent and unacceptable” in how they “denigrated people based on their cultural and religious identities.” Following her firing, a THR report broke the news that Lucasfilm had privately scrapped plans last year to announce Carano as the star of a “Mandalorian” spinoff series in the midst of her social media controversy (most likely “Rangers of the New Republic”).

She was also dropped by her agency.


But, not the same thing.

She was at the end of her contract. While they had considered a spin off, they decided not to after she decided she'd rather be a piece of shit on the internet. It's not like they hadn't warned her about her behaviour before and it's also not the end of the world.

[Zurkir]

Well what would you call “speaking up against it”? And frankly, do you do it?? Just because people don’t attend rallies every week/weekend or troll around on the internet vocalizing from a directive doesn’t mean that they are racists or part of the problem.

Sure. I'm not really specifically talking about Carano. She's a pretty 'meh' actress so I don't really care much. Her stuff was blown wildly out of proportion.

But generally speaking if someone comes up to you and asks "Hey, do you support this movement against racism in law enforcement and police brutality in general?" the proper responses is "Yes, of course, racism and police brutality are terrible things which we as a society should try to combat." I'd think this fairly obvious.

She’s not the best ever, no. Irrelevant as that is.
She was just a single example.

Have you considered that maybe some people simply want to mind their own business and just keep their head down? Especially when the social and political climates of today are so volcanic and even unpredictable. Some people just want to go about their day free of the insanity of the greater American society. And beyond. I have a number of coworkers and a couple of family members who dodge any and all political and social discussions because of how volatile things are these days.

Something that’s also sus is when someone has a metaphorical gun put to their head and it’s made clear they really should be a broadcast speaker of current interpretations of WS and racism.

[Zurkir]

Hmmmm...

“Lucasfilm announced Carano’s firing by calling her social media posts “abhorrent and unacceptable” in how they “denigrated people based on their cultural and religious identities.” Following her firing, a THR report broke the news that Lucasfilm had privately scrapped plans last year to announce Carano as the star of a “Mandalorian” spinoff series in the midst of her social media controversy (most likely “Rangers of the New Republic”).

She was also dropped by her agency.


But, not the same thing.

She was at the end of her contract. While they had considered a spin off, they decided not to after she decided she'd rather be a piece of shit on the internet. It's not like they hadn't warned her about her behaviour before and it's also not the end of the world.

It’s very much not the end of the world. It’s a simple example I was explaining - we (you and I) have a dispute about it - and your final point is “it’s not the end of the world”. How very well executed.

[Zurkir]

NGL if you're not speaking up against racism that is literally killing people then that's pretty sus tbh.

I think people should call out racism but I'm saying that if someone sees it going on right in front of them and doesn't react, it isn't necessarily that they condone it. Sometimes people don't know how to act.

This I can agree with, just to clarify. Anyone and everyone can have “deer in the headlights” moments.

[Elwher]

" 'Silence equals consent' " is the ultimate lib unity" is the ultimate white fragility copout.

Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.

Silence is not consent nor cowardice, but an example of "Mind your own business"

[Salus Maior]

Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.

Silence is not consent nor cowardice, but an example of "Mind your own business"

Why don’t the white nats mind their own business first by not arguing against people they don’t even know?

[Picairn]

Silence is not consent nor cowardice, but an example of "Mind your own business"

Does "Mind your own business" include that we must sit and enjoy the BS which white supremacists spit out?

[Dakini]

She was at the end of her contract. While they had considered a spin off, they decided not to after she decided she'd rather be a piece of shit on the internet. It's not like they hadn't warned her about her behaviour before and it's also not the end of the world.

It’s very much not the end of the world. It’s a simple example I was explaining - we (you and I) have a dispute about it - and your final point is “it’s not the end of the world”. How very well executed.

I just honestly can't get super enthused about arguing about this woman any more. She's a bit of a transphobe, refused to apologise when asked even though one of her colleague's sisters is trans so this was upsetting to them and decided that it was appropriate to compare being asked to apologise for her bigoted views to the holocaust. It's not like she was just quietly sitting there minding her own business or like she was never warned before Disney decided not to renew her contract.

I mean, she's a celebrity who could afford to hire a PR person or an image consultant or anything. She had the resources to handle the situation better and she did not.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Silence is cowardice. Idk if it's consent but it sure isn't brave.

Silence is not consent nor cowardice, but an example of "Mind your own business"

I wish the white nationalists would mind their own business and not have a spaz attack when they see an interracial family at the store.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Sure. I'm not really specifically talking about Carano. She's a pretty 'meh' actress so I don't really care much. Her stuff was blown wildly out of proportion.

But generally speaking if someone comes up to you and asks "Hey, do you support this movement against racism in law enforcement and police brutality in general?" the proper responses is "Yes, of course, racism and police brutality are terrible things which we as a society should try to combat." I'd think this fairly obvious.

She’s not the best ever, no. Irrelevant as that is.
She was just a single example.

Have you considered that maybe some people simply want to mind their own business and just keep their head down? Especially when the social and political climates of today are so volcanic and even unpredictable. Some people just want to go about their day free of the insanity of the greater American society. And beyond. I have a number of coworkers and a couple of family members who dodge any and all political and social discussions because of how volatile things are these days.

Something that’s also sus is when someone has a metaphorical gun put to their head and it’s made clear they really should be a broadcast speaker of current interpretations of WS and racism.

I have considered that, and I don't give a shit.

Apathy is in and of itself immoral.

[The Emerald Legion]

Well what would you call “speaking up against it”? And frankly, do you do it?? Just because people don’t attend rallies every week/weekend or troll around on the internet vocalizing from a directive doesn’t mean that they are racists or part of the problem.

Sure. I'm not really specifically talking about Carano. She's a pretty 'meh' actress so I don't really care much. Her stuff was blown wildly out of proportion.

But generally speaking if someone comes up to you and asks "Hey, do you support this movement against racism in law enforcement and police brutality in general?" the proper responses is "Yes, of course, racism and police brutality are terrible things which we as a society should try to combat." I'd think this fairly obvious.

Why should you have to support a movement just because of their stated goals? Keep in mind the way the movement operates can also be a factor. I donate my money to GOA because I believe they'll use it more effectively and more in line with my beliefs than the NRA. Both have the same goal ostensibly, but the particulars of their organization and movement are important.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Sure. I'm not really specifically talking about Carano. She's a pretty 'meh' actress so I don't really care much. Her stuff was blown wildly out of proportion.

But generally speaking if someone comes up to you and asks "Hey, do you support this movement against racism in law enforcement and police brutality in general?" the proper responses is "Yes, of course, racism and police brutality are terrible things which we as a society should try to combat." I'd think this fairly obvious.

Why should you have to support a movement just because of their stated goals? Keep in mind the way the movement operates can also be a factor. I donate my money to GOA because I believe they'll use it more effectively and more in line with my beliefs than the NRA. Both have the same goal ostensibly, but the particulars of their organization and movement are important.

There difference being the NRA doesn't stand for what it claims to stand for. They pay lip service while looking the other way when the right donations come in.

BLM has been pretty consistent against racial prejudice and brutality in the police force by comparison.

[Senkaku]

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Have you considered that maybe some people simply want to mind their own business and just keep their head down? Especially when the social and political climates of today are so volcanic and even unpredictable. Some people just want to go about their day free of the insanity of the greater American society. And beyond. I have a number of coworkers and a couple of family members who dodge any and all political and social discussions because of how volatile things are these days.

That makes sense that they want that, but unfortunately they are living in American society, so... it’s not really an option. It’s just a question of how you engage with the insanity; shutting down and trying to avoid it doesn’t mean it won’t still worm its way into your life. It would be nice if we could just not worry about societal issues and go about our daily business without a care in the world, but that just isn’t how life works.