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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

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Postby Herzpunkt » Sat May 15, 2021 8:46 pm

Xmara wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:It does exist. Sure, it's not like we're going to get lynched next week, but there is such a thing.

There are people who are racist towards white people, yes. However I think Prydania is referring to people like Herz who think that there’s some sort of conspiracy set up by some secret cabal to erase white people, and not anti-white racism in general.


You can go ahead and prove that now. I talked about inter racial marriage and relationships being encouraged by business, not outright genocide.

So, quote plz
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat May 15, 2021 8:46 pm

Prydania wrote:
Xmara wrote:There are people who are racist towards white people, yes. However I think Prydania is referring to people like Herz who think that there’s some sort of conspiracy set up by some secret cabal to erase white people, and not anti-white racism in general.

Exactly.

Furthermore I was specifically referencing this thread. I haven't seen anyone in this discussion espouse anti-white racist views.

We had someone do that one time, then it turned out to be WLO with a puppet
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat May 15, 2021 8:48 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Xmara wrote:There are people who are racist towards white people, yes. However I think Prydania is referring to people like Herz who think that there’s some sort of conspiracy set up by some secret cabal to erase white people, and not anti-white racism in general.


You can go ahead and prove that now. I talked about inter racial marriage and relationships being encouraged by business, not outright genocide.

So, quote plz

Some companies recognizing the existence of mixed race people is hardly "encouragement".
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Postby Prydania » Sat May 15, 2021 8:48 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:So i practically ignored everything you said since you made it quite clear you think im essentislly a neo nazi(even though you were never able to back this up, other than crying and making extremley asinine assumptions)

Luckily, the mods don’t find your account to be against site rules(again, good for you, this is nsg so perhaps i was naive)

But in any case, any kind of patience with reasoning with you on any issue has since passed.

So, im going to politley tell you to find another individual to discuss things with, because the words I have for you cannot be expressed on nationstates without a prompt warning or temp ban.

Thanks ;)

What I think you are is based on your behaviour. Regardless, I tried to be reasonable with you, and you don't wanna have that discussion, so fine. Enjoy shaking your fists at clouds.

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
It was brought up because he keeps talking about white birthrates but who even is white?

Wasn’t there some point in history where the British didn’t even consider the Irish to be white?

Yep.
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Need to keep the Irish down? They're not white. Wanna send the Jews to death camps? They're not white. The Italians weren't white, until they were. The British were Aryans until they weren't. In the United States Jews, Italians, and the Irish had to deal with the same "No [Insert Ethnicity Here] Allowed" signs blacks did, until the Jewish, Italian, and Irish communities assimilated enough and "became" white by American standards.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Sat May 15, 2021 8:49 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
You can go ahead and prove that now. I talked about inter racial marriage and relationships being encouraged by business, not outright genocide.

So, quote plz

Some companies recognizing the existence of mixed race people is hardly "encouragement".


Maybe, but it also isnt an admission of genocide so, lets have xmara answer shall we :)
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Postby Prydania » Sat May 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
You can go ahead and prove that now. I talked about inter racial marriage and relationships being encouraged by business, not outright genocide.

So, quote plz

Some companies recognizing the existence of mixed race people is hardly "encouragement".

Yeah. Interracial marriages exist. And have, for a very long time. Companies recognizing that and deciding to put a mixed-race couple in a commercial is just that- recognizing a reality.

If there is any "plan" behind it, it's to increase marketability. They might widen their consumer base among both whites and blacks if both groups identify with someone in the commercial.

Often the correct answer to something like this is the most benign/obvious. Occam's Razor is a hell of a thing.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat May 15, 2021 9:16 pm

Xmara wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
It was brought up because he keeps talking about white birthrates but who even is white?

Wasn’t there some point in history where the British didn’t even consider the Irish to be white?


They viewed the Irish as inferior celts, considered halfway between blacks and whites evolutionarily.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Sat May 15, 2021 9:18 pm

There's no conspiracy against white people
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Postby Xmara » Sat May 15, 2021 10:28 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Some companies recognizing the existence of mixed race people is hardly "encouragement".


Maybe, but it also isnt an admission of genocide so, lets have xmara answer shall we :)

Maybe you don’t think there’s a genocide against white people, but you sure seem to be overly worried that the population of white people is going to decline.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Sat May 15, 2021 10:31 pm

Xmara wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Maybe, but it also isnt an admission of genocide so, lets have xmara answer shall we :)

Maybe you don’t think there’s a genocide against white people, but you sure seem to be overly worried that the population of white people is going to decline.


Sure but thats not the claim you made about me, so back it up
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Postby Odreria » Sat May 15, 2021 10:33 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:There's no conspiracy against white people

I used to say that there was a conspiracy, but now I get paid by George soros.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 16, 2021 5:57 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Now ban the fash from the forums.

This is a good place to start, specifically those who voted yes.


Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 16, 2021 6:03 am

Nakena wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Now ban the fash from the forums.

This is a good place to start, specifically those who voted yes.


Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.


Pretty based take, ngl.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 16, 2021 6:04 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.


Pretty based take, ngl.


Dammit, I was going to say that.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 16, 2021 6:07 am

Nakena wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Now ban the fash from the forums.

This is a good place to start, specifically those who voted yes.


Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.


Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 16, 2021 6:08 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.


Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?


Votes can be changed. Joke is on you. :p

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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 16, 2021 6:10 am

Nakena wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?


Votes can be changed.


Ok, and...?

Joke is on you. :p


If its a joke, why isn't it funny?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun May 16, 2021 6:11 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Little reminder that Impaled Nazarene called for a ban of everyone who voted "Yes" (over 400 nations by now) in the poll.


Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?

If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized. The Mods should not be left-wing enforcers banning those who have a different view in a poll for disagreeing with the far-left.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sun May 16, 2021 6:15 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?

If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized. The Mods should not be left-wing enforcers banning those who have a different view in a poll for disagreeing with the far-left.


Why shouldn't they?
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Postby South Welford » Sun May 16, 2021 6:18 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Votes can be changed.


Ok, and...?

Joke is on you. :p


If its a joke, why isn't it funny?


Surely this isn’t a rare phenomenon for experienced forum users?

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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 16, 2021 6:20 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Honestly, what's the point of pointing that out, especially here, other than trying to organize a dogpile or harassment campaign against Naz?

If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized.


There's a difference between legitimate (and spirited) criticism and targeted harassment.

South Welford wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Ok, and...?



If its a joke, why isn't it funny?


Surely this isn’t a rare phenomenon for experienced forum users?


To what phenomenon are you referring?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun May 16, 2021 6:21 am

Grenartia wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized.


There's a difference between legitimate (and spirited) criticism and targeted harassment.

When I got dogpiled, it met the criteria for harassment more than this, and I doubt it was actionable.
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Postby South Welford » Sun May 16, 2021 6:22 am

Grenartia wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized.


There's a difference between legitimate (and spirited) criticism and targeted harassment.

South Welford wrote:
Surely this isn’t a rare phenomenon for experienced forum users?


To what phenomenon are you referring?


Tasteless self-stroking jokes on serious topics replacing actual discussion on the issue at hand?

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sun May 16, 2021 6:22 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:If he wants me banned over the way I voted in a poll, they should be criticized. The Mods should not be left-wing enforcers banning those who have a different view in a poll for disagreeing with the far-left.


Why shouldn't they?

Because it’s not against the rules. The sites rules specifically allow for civil discussion- I personally even know a neo-nazi who still exist on the forums because he doesn’t talk about prohibited themes here.

I am somewhat, just a little bit NatSoc myself, but successfully stayed out of trouble for like already a month.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 16, 2021 6:22 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
There's a difference between legitimate (and spirited) criticism and targeted harassment.

When I got dogpiled, it met the criteria for harassment more than this, and I doubt it was actionable.


I mean, dogpiling is legal under the rules, but still shitty. But harassment is not, and that's the only outcome I can see happening from this.
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