White Supremacy discussion thread

[Grand Proudhonia]

Not really, it is usually only when Fascists are tolerated that they are able to gain significant power within society. Let us not forget that both Mussolini and Hitler were appointed to their positions by the ruling states. Let us not forget the rise of The Golden Dawn and how the conservative parties in Greece tolerated their existence and refused to crack down upon the party before it become nothing more than a criminal gang. Lets not forget rising fascism in Russia under Putin because of the toleration the Russians have for his brand of pseudo fascism. Let us not forget the rise of Bolsonaro who was tolerated in reaction to widespread crime and government corruption. The only way to avoid fascism is to actively dismantle it and throw it asunder, as recently occurred with the golden dawn in Greece. They dont gain power when you attack them, that is a lie that they want you to believe so that they can continue there own existence.

When you attack them, they pretend to be "victims of anti free speech liberals." Richard Spencer didn't get sank by antifa trying to shut him down. He sank himself with his university of Florida speech and then the Charlottesville incident. When he was allowed to show people what he was about, a majority said "ew no." The fascists have a right to say the shit they say. The moment you try to shut them down, you not only give them more propaganda material but you also open the can of picking and choosing what can and can't be said, which can and probably will inevitably come back to haunt you.

Except that isnt what happened in Brazil, Russia, Italy, Germany, Greece, ect is it? They showed the people what they were about and the people loved it

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Fuck it, let's have a race war. Right now, across the nation in 50 cities. Everybody wants to talk shit but let's make the rubber meet the road. Go get in your cars and let's all meet up in Indianapolis and we'll start at the far western border of the city and head to the far eastern side, and we'll see who wins. Then we'll have more races in 49 other randomly chosen cities and whoever wins the most gets...idk like a gamestop gift card? But yeah, race war.

And we ain't doing it on a track. It happens on the streets of the city like some fast and furious shit.

[Grand Proudhonia]

Fuck it, let's have a race war. Right now, across the nation in 50 cities. Everybody wants to talk shit but let's make the rubber meet the road. Go get in your cars and let's all meet up in Indianapolis and we'll start at the far western border of the city and head to the far eastern side, and we'll see who wins. Then we'll have more races in 49 other randomly chosen cities and whoever wins the most gets...idk like a gamestop gift card? But yeah, race war.

And we ain't doing it on a track. It happens on the streets of the city like some fast and furious shit.

Are you ok?

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

not really much to understand about white supremacists, they just hate anyone darker than their preferred shade of tan and Jews. their reasons for being racist are irrelevant, because there is no justification. their (and other) hate speech should not be given a platform.

plz no bulli for not adding other minorities white supremacists want to eradicate

No ima bulli you.

for your reading convenience, here is a list of marginalized groups white supremacists don't like for whatever reason:
lgbtq+ people, racial/cultural minorities (obviously), disabled people, people with mental illnesses, neurodivergent people, poor and homeless people
of course, not every white supremacist is the same, some accept Italians and Greeks.

[Big Jim P]

Fuck it, let's have a race war. Right now, across the nation in 50 cities. Everybody wants to talk shit but let's make the rubber meet the road. Go get in your cars and let's all meet up in Indianapolis and we'll start at the far western border of the city and head to the far eastern side, and we'll see who wins. Then we'll have more races in 49 other randomly chosen cities and whoever wins the most gets...idk like a gamestop gift card? But yeah, race war.

And we ain't doing it on a track. It happens on the streets of the city like some fast and furious shit.

Better idea: have our race war like the cannonball run. With cannons.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Fuck it, let's have a race war. Right now, across the nation in 50 cities. Everybody wants to talk shit but let's make the rubber meet the road. Go get in your cars and let's all meet up in Indianapolis and we'll start at the far western border of the city and head to the far eastern side, and we'll see who wins. Then we'll have more races in 49 other randomly chosen cities and whoever wins the most gets...idk like a gamestop gift card? But yeah, race war.

And we ain't doing it on a track. It happens on the streets of the city like some fast and furious shit.

Better idea: have our race war like the cannonball run. With cannons.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

[Big Jim P]

Better idea: have our race war like the cannonball run. With cannons.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

As long s I can put a 50 cal, 105mm and a minigun on it, im good.

[Nakena]

Better idea: have our race war like the cannonball run. With cannons.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

Sounds like the Boomerwaffen Division.

[Kowani]

White supremacists are almost always the best evidence against their own philosophy.

Better idea: have our race war like the cannonball run. With cannons.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

White supremacists are almost always the best evidence against their own philosophy.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

i- it's- truth is just as strange as shitpost, apparently

[North Washington Republic]

White supremacists are almost always the best evidence against their own philosophy.

it's not a real race war if the white people don't have to use modded golf carts w/ nitrous or smth

reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

[Lady Victory]

reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

[Kubra]

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reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

Though I myself don't know of hard data, from the few I've met it's usually a combination of desparation, nascent (you know, soft) conservatism, and the existence of organised groups that tend to mingle in the circles these fellas do. All three together mind, you.
As for the ones from nice cushy family situations, only the devil knows, and may the devil take them.

[Auristania]

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

Indeed, it is obvious that when you are at the bottom of the shit pile, you resent people who are higher up and if those higher ups are black, gay, Romanist etc, you will resent that demographic. BUT Washington asked if there have been studies to verify the obvious and find out if the obvious is actually true.

[Kowani]

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reminder that Oath Keeperswent to the capitol storming in stolen golf carts

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

the why?
several things, then
first one is just exposure and its correlation with education
not to say that education on its own makes you better at parsing out bullshit
that's not really something we can test for
but rather, higher education tends to involve more meeting people of other races-and we know that personal contact reduces prejudice (though whether this translates to large scale acceptance or "one of the good ones" bullshit is a bit of a coin flip without long scale data

secondly, somewhat similar to what Kubra alluded to: the desperation
but what exactly is meant by desperation is unclear
so allow me to totally not quote myself

What if...US economic decline-particularly manufacturing- is racialized? (Spoiler alert: it is)
A quick explanation, first.

We examine how deindustrialization and the resulting localized economic downturns may influence voting by distinct groups in different ways. We argue that the decline of manufacturing can incite a particularly acute
political response among some white voters due to the threat that economic restructuring poses to notions of dominant group status that are central to white identity (“whiteness”). As Harris (1993) explains, whiteness embodies a “settled expectation” of perpetually privileged economic, political, and social circumstances. For many whites in former manufacturing hubs, the ravages of deindustrialization challenge those expectations and lead them to support candidates who they expect to defend their status. Our argument builds on social identity theory, which holds that society consists of various groups with differing levels of power and status relative to one another. Social identity encompasses an individual’s association with, or attachment to, a particular group and the value placed on being a part of the group. Individuals who are strongly affiliated with their group assess political, economic, and cultural outcomes through the lens of their identity: it shapes their stances on issues and political candidates. While voters may consider the interests of others, they tend to care most about the well-being of those with whom they most closely identify. In turn, they tend to favor candidates and policies that are consistent with their group’s interests, economic hardship can solidify their political preferences The decline of manufacturing in a locality can create a unique social status threat for some whites in that area. This is because the negative economic and social consequences of deindustrialization upend the settled expectations of whiteness: they challenge whites’ privileged status as the dominant group. For whites who perceive manufacturing jobs as historically important sources of employment and economic security mainly for members of their own group, lay-offs, stagnant incomes, and localized social decay all contribute to the sense of diminished status. Put differently, deindustrialization is a source of “nostalgic deprivation,” which Gest, Reny, and Mayer (2018) describe as the discrepancy between individuals’ understanding of their current economic, social, and political status and perceptions about their past. Furthermore, white Americans with a strong in-group identity often view themselves as prototypically American and conflate their personal economic standing with that of the US, For individuals living in localities hit hard by deindustrialization, manufacturing layoffs embody the country’s declining standing as a global industrial force, and with it, their own group’s declining social and economic status.

White voter status anxiety about deindustrialization can activate white identity and a preference for conservative candidates. The political expression of heightened white identity tends toward support for policies and candidates that whites expect will uphold their privileges and preserve racial hierarchy. Prior research shows that status threats elicit “defensive” political reactions; whites tend to become more conservative and more supportive of the Republican Party. As whites in distressed localities seek to maintain or reinstate the privileges and benefits diminished by deindustrialization, we expect increased support for conservative candidates and policies—particularly nationalist iterations that play to dominant group status anxieties. As a dominant group status threat, deindustrialization activates white identity and increases white voter support for reactionary candidates.[...] In sum, insights from the economic voting literature suggest that manufacturing job losses may weaken support for incumbents irrespective of voter or candidate differences. But a consideration of the ways in which economic distress is refracted through voters’ identities leads to more nuanced expectations about political behavior in the context of deindustrialization.

So first, how does manufacturing job less affect voting... race.

Table 2 reports the results of the county-level election models, starting with our baseline model. The coefficient for manufacturing layoffs is negative and significant in Models 1–3. The effect holds when we include White Population Share and Service Layoffs. These findings indicate that Democratic vote shares decline in counties with more manufacturing job losses. Two additional findings are worth mentioning. First, the inclusion of the variable White Population Share reduces the magnitude of the coefficient on White Manufacturing Layoffs by roughly 25%, likely due to the fact that these variables are highly correlated. Second, the coefficient of Service Layoffs is never significant in any of the model specifications. The magnitude of the estimated effect of job losses on voting is nontrivial. First, we run our models with different outcome variables, which we report in Table B4. We show that our results are similar if we use (a) levels rather than changes in Democratic candidates’ percentages and (b) overall Democratic vote shares (rather than two-party) to operationalize our outcome variable. Moreover, we show that our results hold if we include potential confounders: layoffs broken down by education level, age, and gender, as well as the localized effects of Chinese import surges.

And now, finally, the hard hitting stuff-but a small detour on mechanism.

We have shown that manufacturing layoffs influenced the voting patterns of whites and non-whites differently in the 2016 election. In this section, we explore four possible mechanisms that may be driving this result. First, we focus on a question related to the status of the
US: Is the US economy improving?40. Second, we explore a question on the status of the country more generally: Is the country on the “right track”? Third, we include a question concerning individual upward mobility: How much opportunity is there to get ahead? Fourth, we explore the pocketbook economic channel: Are you better off financially than you were a year ago?

And the results? (quelle surprise)

Table 5 reports the results of the 2SLS regressions. Model 1 demonstrates that white respondents who live in districts hit by greater job losses are significantly more likely to believe the economy is worsening. In model 2, the coefficient of the interaction between White and Layoffs is negative and significant, indicating that white respondents in districts affected by layoffs are more likely than non-white respondents to believe the country is on the wrong track. In model 3, white respondents in harder-hit districts report fewer opportunities to get ahead than non-white respondents living in the same districts. In model 4, we find no evidence that high layoffs operate strictly as a pocketbook economic issue for white respondents. Rather, the results suggest that white respondents in hard-hit districts have grimmer assessments of the US economic trajectory and individual opportunity than non-whites in the same districts regardless of personal economic circumstances. In sum, these results indicate that whites experience deindustrialization differently than do voters of color, as our theory anticipates. Localized manufacturing job losses appear to invoke concerns among white voters about American economic decline and the current course of the country. Job losses also appear to lead whites to question the prospects of upward mobility at the individual level, for the “average” American. These results suggest that localized manufacturing decline heightens economic anxiety among whites in particular. In conjunction with the voting results indicating a strong preference for Trump among white voters in localities with higher manufacturing job losses, one possible interpretation of the survey analysis is that some whites perceive deindustrialization as a status threat.
[...]
With the important caveat that we are examining a small number of elections, some notable inferences emerge when we compare the county-level results. First, while the pooled county-level analysis indicates that manufacturing layoffs induce anti-incumbent voting regardless of which party is in power, the 2008 results in isolation do not reveal a statistically significant decline in Republican support. Second, the anti-incumbent effects on manufacturing layoffs are stronger and more robust when Democrats are the incumbents. A similar story emerges in the individual-level models reported in Table 7. In model 1, we show the results of the pooled analysis.50 The estimated interaction between White and Manufacturing Layoffs is negative and significant, indicating lower support for Democratic incumbents among whites where manufacturing layoffs are high. Note that we include county-election year fixed effects in this model, which account for time-varying characteristics at the county level. For this reason, we are unable to estimate Manufacturing Layoffs, whose coefficient gets absorbed by county-election year fixed effects. Models 2 and 3 are similar to the results at the county level. There is no evidence that manufacturing layoffs affect the probability of voting for the Democratic candidate in 2008 (when the incumbent is a Republican) among white respondents, whereas the interaction between Manufacturing Layoffs and White is negative and significant in 2012 (when the incumbent is a Democrat). That is to say that anti-incumbent effects are not generic, but rather appear to depend on the party in power. In particular, we do not find robust evidence that manufacturing job losses contribute to increases in anti-incumbent voting among whites when the incumbent is a Republican. Consistent with our theoretical expectations, manufacturing job losses appear to harm Democratic incumbents more than Republican ones. Finally, we note that the estimated effect of the interaction term is substantively smaller in 2012 than it is in 2016. We find that Trump’s reactionary campaign particularly appealed to white voters in deindustrializing localities.

I'm going to grab this sentence from the conclusion, because it's the most poignant part: "We argue that deindustrialization threatens dominant group status, leading white voters in affected areas to favor candidates who they believe will address economic distress and defend racial hierarchy."

But if you don't live in one of those areas-note that you don't actually have to lose the job yourself-you're not as affected by that feeling slipping power.

There's also, as always, the lurking specter of Fox News moving the political discourse to the right in general

[Kubra]

secondly, somewhat similar to what Kubra alluded to: the desperation
but what exactly is meant by desperation is unclear
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More or less. The few I have met were former prison convicts from fairly rough parts of town, places hit by decaying manufacturing, who ended up with the AB, which is perhaps why they were so agreeable.

[Elwher]

Is there any good data or studies why lower-class white people tend to fall for white supremacist ideologies?

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

your own lack of skill, education, and drive

[Kubra]

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

your own lack of skill, education, and drive

workers of the world, pull on those bootstraps.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

your own lack of skill, education, and drive

And the medieval serfs all deserved it because they could become freemen if they just hid out in the city for a year and a day.

[Fahran]

And the medieval serfs all deserved it because they could become freemen if they just hid out in the city for a year and a day.

Modern wage workers aren't really comparable to serfs most of the time. That said, there's a lot to unpack about meritocratic arguments since such arguments often ignore racial disparities in family, community, and education. Yes, personal responsibility does matter, but, when you have social and institutional situations that make whole groups of people less likely to succeed or make "good" choices, that meritocracy winds up being a lot shakier than you might have otherwise supposed.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

And the medieval serfs all deserved it because they could become freemen if they just hid out in the city for a year and a day.

Modern wage workers aren't really comparable to serfs most of the time. That said, there's a lot to unpack about meritocratic arguments since such arguments often ignore racial disparities in family, community, and education. Yes, personal responsibility does matter, but, when you have social and institutional situations that make whole groups of people less likely to succeed or make "good" choices, that meritocracy winds up being a late shakier than you might have otherwise supposed.

That may be, but in my experience, the people who talk about "personal responsibility" mean it more in the sense that "if X could become rich starting from X position in life, then anyone can!" Of course, about half of their stories including an Alger-esque benefactor descending from the heavens, but obviously, if you work hard enough, one will come for you too.

[Elwher]

And the medieval serfs all deserved it because they could become freemen if they just hid out in the city for a year and a day.

Modern wage workers aren't really comparable to serfs most of the time. That said, there's a lot to unpack about meritocratic arguments since such arguments often ignore racial disparities in family, community, and education. Yes, personal responsibility does matter, but, when you have social and institutional situations that make whole groups of people less likely to succeed or make "good" choices, that meritocracy winds up being a lot shakier than you might have otherwise supposed.

I agree, but with a caveat. As an individual, I cannot change the social and institutional situation. I can change my own level of education, skill, and drive. Those, to me at least, are more important variables because of that.

Hard work will not guarantee success. A lack of it will, however, guarantee failure.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Because it's easier to blame entire ethnic/racial/religious/etc. groups for your problems than the faceless corporations and bipartisan corruption that is responsible.

your own lack of skill, education, and drive

That's funny cause most working class people work alot harder than government bureaucrats and CEOs who get paid more. Face facts buddy, the world isn't fair like you want it to be.

[Fahran]

That's funny cause most working class people work alot harder than government bureaucrats and CEOs who get paid more. Face facts buddy, the world isn't fair like you want it to be.

CEOs and bureaucrats tend to benefit from a more advanced education and a particular skillset. This explains at least some of the disparities expressed in the value of labor. Mind you, given the disparities we discussed before, fairness is still much in disputed. I do think, however, that walking through life with a negative outlook isn't going to do much good for anyone. That last point is why I take exception to a lot of the defeatism regularly expressed on these forums.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That's funny cause most working class people work alot harder than government bureaucrats and CEOs who get paid more. Face facts buddy, the world isn't fair like you want it to be.

CEOs and bureaucrats tend to benefit from a more advanced education and a particular skillset. This explains at least some of the disparities expressed in the value of labor. Mind you, given the disparities we discussed before, fairness is still much in disputed. I do think, however, that walking through life with a negative outlook isn't going to do much good for anyone. That last point is why I take exception to a lot of the defeatism regularly expressed on these forums.

My brother thinks my outlook is negative but I disagree. I don't have hope that this current society can last but I'm very optimistic about my own life and my family. I think people can achieve certain things through hard work and people should be proud of working hard to accomplish their goals. I just also know that the world ain't fair. Bad things happen to good people and setbacks are a thing.