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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
25
2%
 
Total votes : 1321

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 02, 2021 6:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> We'd not be interested in compassion or mercy.
And that's why teachers end-up calling Child Protective Services, hon.


Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

my guy you are neither powerful nor influential
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun May 02, 2021 6:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

my guy you are neither powerful nor influential

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Postby New haven america » Sun May 02, 2021 6:54 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kowani wrote:my guy you are neither powerful nor influential

But his neopets!

Fun fact: Neopets are incapable of dying!

So if you had any but you forgot about your account, you have possibly multiple Neopets that are starving and suffering from illness for all of eternity.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun May 02, 2021 6:59 pm

New haven america wrote:I wonder what the world would be like if it actually operated in the way Sai thinks it does...

This one?

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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 02, 2021 7:00 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Berleez wrote:Can we stop sugar coating white supremacy and call it what it is? It's plain hidden modern-day racism. Stop defending these white supremacists all people are equal and no one has the right to believe their better than another race regardless of an amendment, law, privleges, and or income.

Am I a “white supremacist?”


All white racists automatically are, no matter how much they lie to themselves and others.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 02, 2021 7:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> We'd not be interested in compassion or mercy.
And that's why teachers end-up calling Child Protective Services, hon.


Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun May 02, 2021 7:02 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
New haven america wrote:I wonder what the world would be like if it actually operated in the way Sai thinks it does...

This one?

Too tame for Sai.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun May 02, 2021 7:04 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.


Honestly, being an unironic and blatant racist should be sufficient grounds to get your children taken away.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun May 02, 2021 7:04 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.

I will translate this for Sai: Fuck around, find out.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 02, 2021 7:14 pm

Luminesa wrote:If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.


There are some people in this world who're simply untouchable or nearly so. Matt Gaetz doesn't look like he'll fall where I live. And if worst came to worst, there is the prospect that someone else within that family will take his place, if not him actually recovering his former status/power. A teacher doesn't have all that much sway compared to a Principal or School Board official from what I can tell. People have ran circles around teachers for so long, that is perhaps why teachers in the US aren't even paid as much as they could be were they to work for a college or someplace better.

At the end of the day, teachers don't get to call the shots compared to community pressures/interest groups and nobody asides from teachers even like the teachers' unions.
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Postby Birchland and the NAF » Sun May 02, 2021 7:17 pm

Luminesa wrote:Also (apologies for the third post in a row), please do not write a children's book, Birchland. As a teacher who works with children, and who recommends children's books for parents and for lessons, I believe that it would be utterly demonic to try and instill in small children the white-nat "racialist" ideology. I work hard to instill compassion in my students, to instill in them a sense of respect in their peers and in those around them, and if I ever find a children's book trying to push white nationalism on little ones I will go to war over it. Make no mistake. You will not poison the children, not while I am alive.

Have you read the book before the first page has been printed? Who says it’s instilling white-nat ideology?
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Postby The Provincial Union of the Pacific » Sun May 02, 2021 7:20 pm

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 02, 2021 7:21 pm

The Provincial Union of the Pacific wrote:While I strongly disagree that any race/ethnicity is inherently above another, I still believe that people should have the right to communicate their beliefs so that they can better understand their values and others' as well.

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 02, 2021 7:22 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.


There are some people in this world who're simply untouchable or nearly so. Matt Gaetz doesn't look like he'll fall where I live. And if worst came to worst, there is the prospect that someone else within that family will take his place, if not him actually recovering his former status/power. A teacher doesn't have all that much sway compared to a Principal or School Board official from what I can tell. People have ran circles around teachers for so long, that is perhaps why teachers in the US aren't even paid as much as they could be were they to work for a college or someplace better.

At the end of the day, teachers don't get to call the shots compared to community pressures/interest groups and nobody asides from teachers even like the teachers' unions.

tf does matt gaetz have to do with anything

you know, when he does fall, i'm bringing this post back
it'll be fuckin' glorious
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 02, 2021 7:23 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Also (apologies for the third post in a row), please do not write a children's book, Birchland. As a teacher who works with children, and who recommends children's books for parents and for lessons, I believe that it would be utterly demonic to try and instill in small children the white-nat "racialist" ideology. I work hard to instill compassion in my students, to instill in them a sense of respect in their peers and in those around them, and if I ever find a children's book trying to push white nationalism on little ones I will go to war over it. Make no mistake. You will not poison the children, not while I am alive.

Have you read the book before the first page has been printed? Who says it’s instilling white-nat ideology?

I'm basing it off what you've already said in this forum.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 02, 2021 7:26 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:If you don’t think I will protect the students who come into my classroom and who are routinely abused or harmed at home, then I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Also, Child Protective Services take their work VERY seriously, I am aware of that and would be sure to make sure they know everything I can get. Challenge a teacher who loves her students and you might as well be challenging Stalin in Moscow.


There are some people in this world who're simply untouchable or nearly so. Matt Gaetz doesn't look like he'll fall where I live. And if worst came to worst, there is the prospect that someone else within that family will take his place, if not him actually recovering his former status/power. A teacher doesn't have all that much sway compared to a Principal or School Board official from what I can tell. People have ran circles around teachers for so long, that is perhaps why teachers in the US aren't even paid as much as they could be were they to work for a college or someplace better.

At the end of the day, teachers don't get to call the shots compared to community pressures/interest groups and nobody asides from teachers even like the teachers' unions.

Matt Gaetz is currently getting absolutely blown the flip out by the media, and even his close friend turned on him. Your post demonstrates an incredible lack of understanding about the education system.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun May 02, 2021 7:28 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Also (apologies for the third post in a row), please do not write a children's book, Birchland. As a teacher who works with children, and who recommends children's books for parents and for lessons, I believe that it would be utterly demonic to try and instill in small children the white-nat "racialist" ideology. I work hard to instill compassion in my students, to instill in them a sense of respect in their peers and in those around them, and if I ever find a children's book trying to push white nationalism on little ones I will go to war over it. Make no mistake. You will not poison the children, not while I am alive.


Most children these days from what I can tell, don't learn much in school. Parents only tolerate public education because they can't do it themselves or have too much work or income pursuing obligations. If such an option is available, private school or some alternative to public K-12 is chosen. More often than not, nothing but Liberal propaganda. Its to be expected that right after a kid gets home, they might need to "unlearn" the portion of what they got that was incorrect or wrong. In my household, we'd not be interested in compassion or mercy. But in how it really is. The more harsh the better.

Why should people pretend everything is great when its not and never will be? It is their future that they need to really prepare for ahead of time, or at least find a path that results in independence and economic success as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Alone, this was borderline. Combined with this:
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Luminesa wrote:> We'd not be interested in compassion or mercy.
And that's why teachers end-up calling Child Protective Services, hon.


Would only backfire if they find nothing, especially if the targeted person is powerful or influential enough. A nosy teacher or person who "cries wolf" too many times will probably be fired or punished indirectly.

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Postby Birchland and the NAF » Sun May 02, 2021 7:31 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Also (apologies for the third post in a row), please do not write a children's book, Birchland. As a teacher who works with children, and who recommends children's books for parents and for lessons, I believe that it would be utterly demonic to try and instill in small children the white-nat "racialist" ideology. I work hard to instill compassion in my students, to instill in them a sense of respect in their peers and in those around them, and if I ever find a children's book trying to push white nationalism on little ones I will go to war over it. Make no mistake. You will not poison the children, not while I am alive.


Most children these days from what I can tell, don't learn much in school. Parents only tolerate public education because they can't do it themselves or have too much work or income pursuing obligations. If such an option is available, private school or some alternative to public K-12 is chosen. More often than not, nothing but Liberal propaganda. Its to be expected that right after a kid gets home, they might need to "unlearn" the portion of what they got that was incorrect or wrong. In my household, we'd not be interested in compassion or mercy. But in how it really is. The more harsh the better.

Why should people pretend everything is great when its not and never will be? It is their future that they need to really prepare for ahead of time, or at least find a path that results in independence and economic success as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The education system is a nightmare. I’ve been homeschooled, as will my children. They’ll be playing in the forest while their peers are chanting all 7,853,912 gender identities and being taught to “confront their inner racism” or whatever folly they teach nowadays.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 02, 2021 7:33 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Most children these days from what I can tell, don't learn much in school. Parents only tolerate public education because they can't do it themselves or have too much work or income pursuing obligations. If such an option is available, private school or some alternative to public K-12 is chosen. More often than not, nothing but Liberal propaganda. Its to be expected that right after a kid gets home, they might need to "unlearn" the portion of what they got that was incorrect or wrong. In my household, we'd not be interested in compassion or mercy. But in how it really is. The more harsh the better.

Why should people pretend everything is great when its not and never will be? It is their future that they need to really prepare for ahead of time, or at least find a path that results in independence and economic success as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The education system is a nightmare. I’ve been homeschooled, as will my children. They’ll be playing in the forest while their peers are chanting all 7,853,912 gender identities and being taught to “confront their inner racism” or whatever folly they teach nowadays.


What the heck are you talking about? Why do you care claim about demographics and then say you only engage in politics when in comes to gun rights?

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Postby Birchland and the NAF » Sun May 02, 2021 7:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Birchland and the NAF wrote:The education system is a nightmare. I’ve been homeschooled, as will my children. They’ll be playing in the forest while their peers are chanting all 7,853,912 gender identities and being taught to “confront their inner racism” or whatever folly they teach nowadays.


What the heck are you talking about? Why do you care claim about demographics and then say you only engage in politics when in comes to gun rights?

Demographics aren’t really political.
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Postby Miku the Based » Sun May 02, 2021 7:39 pm

On a sligtly unrelated note but I've seen people here talk about it is determining age, gender and ethnicity of a person using skeletal structure. I've learned this during my last years of biomed in highschool bout half dacade back. People like forensic analysts looking at decomposed bodies and forensic anthropologists look at this stuff to determine the charateristics of the person the skeleton belong to to determine identity. Generally the determination of the Asiatic, European, and African groups can be determined from the measurements of a persons skull, we manage to determine a example in class. It does not narrow the search down much but the general ansestory of avéré the skull or sekeloton hearlad from can be determined. long narrow faces with fairly flat facial profiles and sharply angled nasal bones are indicative of a "eurpean" skull with small teeth and cicular and squared margine eyes. Asian skulls tend to have cicular eyes and heart shape nose hole, they have shovel-shaped upper incisors, wider and shorter faces with prominate cheekbones. African skulls have retangular shape eye holes, nose hole is wide, teeth large and wide, jaw protrudes from face. All of these features are quantified with calipers and are indicative of the general indentity of a person. This is no phenomenology, race exist.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 02, 2021 7:40 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Most children these days from what I can tell, don't learn much in school. Parents only tolerate public education because they can't do it themselves or have too much work or income pursuing obligations. If such an option is available, private school or some alternative to public K-12 is chosen. More often than not, nothing but Liberal propaganda. Its to be expected that right after a kid gets home, they might need to "unlearn" the portion of what they got that was incorrect or wrong. In my household, we'd not be interested in compassion or mercy. But in how it really is. The more harsh the better.

Why should people pretend everything is great when its not and never will be? It is their future that they need to really prepare for ahead of time, or at least find a path that results in independence and economic success as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The education system is a nightmare. I’ve been homeschooled, as will my children. They’ll be playing in the forest while their peers are chanting all 7,853,912 gender identities and being taught to “confront their inner racism” or whatever folly they teach nowadays.

I will readily admit that public schooling has serious issues, and I have no issues with homeschooling, but I will say that I have not witnessed children chanting 7 million gender identities when working in public school. As for confronting inner racism, well...with young children, talking about racism goes back to talking about respect for both peers and teachers.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 02, 2021 7:42 pm

New haven america wrote:I wonder what the world would be like if it actually operated in the way Sai thinks it does...

We'd be living in a nuclear wasteland by now, well not living.

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Birchland and the NAF wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What the heck are you talking about? Why do you care claim about demographics and then say you only engage in politics when in comes to gun rights?

Demographics aren’t really political.

Oh man you are going to give Kowani an aneurysm.

I'll save him the need to write an effortpost and say: yes they are political.

Demographics are significant for determining certain needs necessary in different communities. If you have a higher number of poor people in Rosedale, Mississippi than you do in Bridgeport, CT (which...the answer is yes), you're going to use different resources in one area than you will in another. This is very simple socioeconomics.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 02, 2021 7:43 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Most children these days from what I can tell, don't learn much in school. Parents only tolerate public education because they can't do it themselves or have too much work or income pursuing obligations. If such an option is available, private school or some alternative to public K-12 is chosen. More often than not, nothing but Liberal propaganda. Its to be expected that right after a kid gets home, they might need to "unlearn" the portion of what they got that was incorrect or wrong. In my household, we'd not be interested in compassion or mercy. But in how it really is. The more harsh the better.

Why should people pretend everything is great when its not and never will be? It is their future that they need to really prepare for ahead of time, or at least find a path that results in independence and economic success as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The education system is a nightmare. I’ve been homeschooled, as will my children. They’ll be playing in the forest while their peers are chanting all 7,853,912 gender identities and being taught to “confront their inner racism” or whatever folly they teach nowadays.

You're clearly full of shit.

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