White Supremacy discussion thread

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

any time fascism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed.

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Gee, weird how the Soviet Union never experienced a mass depopulation and collapse to total anarchy despite your lazy attempt to paint socialism and Nazism as one and the same. Horseshoe Theory is dead bullshit.

[The New California Republic]

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways.

You might trust them enough to think that they wouldn't start putting minorities in deathcamps, but I certainly don't.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So, on one level, I imagine they'd end up killing and deporting a lot of people if they ever actually managed to get into real power. Not sure if you'd call that an "achievement," but it's what you'd expect.

But on a more practical level White Supremacy isn't really about that. It's about trying to win over lower class White people using tribalism, and hoping that they won't realize they're working against their own interest. As Lyndon B. Johnson once said, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket.”

An original detailed post from me for once, contrary to popular opinions I do and I have done so many times in over 10 years on NS. Just in case for my protection I have to very careful, I will never disrespect you or any persons with personal and political insults I don't do this against any persons. Since you quoted me yesterday and I said I was surprised and shocked and you did not object, I feel comfortable to quote you.

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways. They actually want a Democratic Christian System within their White Ethnic State for Whites. I know what I am talking about because I have been there just to read and learn their views, I even know who they are if you get my drift, not to participate which I would never do for obvious reasons, so I speak from experience.

GMS, white ethnostates aren't just a thing of hypothetical. The Nazis tried to create a white ethnostate and it led to the death of 12 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other so called "undesirables."

[Crysuko]

An original detailed post from me for once, contrary to popular opinions I do and I have done so many times in over 10 years on NS. Just in case for my protection I have to very careful, I will never disrespect you or any persons with personal and political insults I don't do this against any persons. Since you quoted me yesterday and I said I was surprised and shocked and you did not object, I feel comfortable to quote you.

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways. They actually want a Democratic Christian System within their White Ethnic State for Whites. I know what I am talking about because I have been there just to read and learn their views, I even know who they are if you get my drift, not to participate which I would never do for obvious reasons, so I speak from experience.

GMS, white ethnostates aren't just a thing of hypothetical. The Nazis tried to create a white ethnostate and it led to the death of 12 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other so called "undesirables."

which tells that they can make white or aryan or whatever mean whatever they want

[Greater Miami Shores]

GMS, white ethnostates aren't just a thing of hypothetical. The Nazis tried to create a white ethnostate and it led to the death of 12 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other so called "undesirables."

which tells that they can make white or aryan or whatever mean whatever they want

I have been there a few times, I have never seen them say they want to do a Hitler Type Action, if you get my Drift. They just want there White Christian Ethnic State For Whites Only. A comment I saw from a few of them, Don't tell us you are part non white, just tell us you are white.

[Stylan]

any time fascism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed.

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Where has communism gained power?

[Salus Maior]

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Gee, weird how the Soviet Union never experienced a mass depopulation and collapse to total anarchy despite your lazy attempt to paint socialism and Nazism as one and the same. Horseshoe Theory is dead bullshit.

If the Soviet Union lost a total war then yeah, it would have.

But even so, the USSR committed genocide on a several occasions as well as plenty of crimes against humanity. They were both totalitarian states which sought to define the entire life of the individual according to ideology.

I would say that the USSR and Nazi Germany were more alike to each other than they were to liberal democracy.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Where has communism gained power?

lol, my native nation of Cuba, you can argue that it is not a real communist nation practicing real communism, but all the so called communist nations of the world say and have said they are communist and practice real communism, at least that is what their eternal one political party state leaders say. Another good detailed original post from me, contrary to popular opinions of many certain persons. Thank you for reading my post, and my apologies to you for my add on.

[Salus Maior]

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Where has communism gained power?

Are we going to bring out the whole ‘communism has never been achieved, there have only been socialist states’ dead horse?

While obviously communism as in the mythical end-goal of Marxism has never been achieved, when people refer to ‘communists’ we’re referring to the communist movements aka Lenin and so forth, you know, the people who identified as communists.

[Miku the Based]

any time fascism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed.

Any time Communism has gained power, it has ended in bloodshed. That is a function of authoritarianism, not of any particular flavor of it.

Any political system spills bloodshed when it gets into power. Especially so called "libertarian" ones on the false dichotomy of auth/lib. This statment is simply a sophic piece of rhetoric with no meaning for fascism, communism, capitalism, etc.

[Stylan]

Where has communism gained power?

Are we going to bring out the whole ‘communism has never been achieved, there have only been socialist states’ dead horse?

While obviously communism as in the mythical end-goal of Marxism has never been achieved, when people refer to ‘communists’ we’re referring to the communist movements aka Lenin and so forth, you know, the people who identified as communists.

Socialist states? Socialism is stateless my friend.

Well Castro and Che actually didn't call themselves communists at first, so that's one thing.

Where has communism gained power?

lol, my native nation of Cuba, you can argue that it is not a real communist nation practicing real communism, but all the so called communist nations of the world say and have said they are communist and practice real communism, at least that is what their eternal one political party state leaders say. Another good detailed original post from me, contrary to popular opinions of many certain persons. Thank you for reading my post, and my apologies to you for my add on.

Communism is nationless and international. And actually they don't - they might call themselves socialist, which is also inaccurate.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Are we going to bring out the whole ‘communism has never been achieved, there have only been socialist states’ dead horse?

While obviously communism as in the mythical end-goal of Marxism has never been achieved, when people refer to ‘communists’ we’re referring to the communist movements aka Lenin and so forth, you know, the people who identified as communists.

Socialist states? Socialism is stateless my friend.

>implying there's any one 'socialism' and that they all adhere to a doctrine of statelessness

This is just lazy. Your ideology has as much blood on its hands as any other, it's not special in that regard and you don't need to deflect.

[Stylan]

Socialist states? Socialism is stateless my friend.

>implying there's any one 'socialism' and that they all adhere to a doctrine of statelessness

This is just lazy. Your ideology has as much blood on its hands as any other, it's not special in that regard and you don't need to deflect.

Socialism is a single ideology, so yes, there is indeed a correct doctrine of socialism that is the only correct one. There are tendencies within socialism that are all incorrect, but there is a single true socialism that is stateless. It's literally called just reading what Marx actually wrote.

[Salus Maior]

Socialist states? Socialism is stateless my friend.

Ok, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.

In Marxist thought society has to go through several stages before Communism is achieved. Socialism is what goes before Communism, and is built by the dictatorship of the proletariat: a socialist state.

Then at some point Communism poofs into existence and the state disintegrates into a stateless society.

Maybe you believe something other than that, but that’s more or less orthodox’ Marxism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying there's any one 'socialism' and that they all adhere to a doctrine of statelessness

This is just lazy. Your ideology has as much blood on its hands as any other, it's not special in that regard and you don't need to deflect.

Socialism is a single ideology, so yes, there is indeed a correct doctrine of socialism that is the only correct one.

This is equally lazy. There wouldn't be an entire spectrum of socialist theories and ideologies if there was one simple correct one.

[Greater Miami Shores]

An original detailed post from me for once, contrary to popular opinions I do and I have done so many times in over 10 years on NS. Just in case for my protection I have to very careful, I will never disrespect you or any persons with personal and political insults I don't do this against any persons. Since you quoted me yesterday and I said I was surprised and shocked and you did not object, I feel comfortable to quote you.

If the White Supremacists create an ethnic state, they can just deport the persons to other nations that will take them in, they don't need to depose of them in any other ways. They actually want a Democratic Christian System within their White Ethnic State for Whites. I know what I am talking about because I have been there just to read and learn their views, I even know who they are if you get my drift, not to participate which I would never do for obvious reasons, so I speak from experience.

GMS, white ethnostates aren't just a thing of hypothetical. The Nazis tried to create a white ethnostate and it led to the death of 12 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other so called "undesirables."

Yes, I know and we all know this and we have to be careful. Actually at first it is very logical to think many non whites would be hurt by them as they gain power to make their white only Democratic Christian Ethnic State for Whites only. The existing states are not going to let them do so peacefully, to replace them and cast them out so they can establish their Democratic Christian Ethnic State for whites only, also if they gained power during the time they have non whites they need to hold them in detention centers until other nations take them in and anything can happen during that time if you get my drift. Rojava My Friend, I saw your post on the Politics thread where I don't post anymore for a long time, I will be back but I consider it a long vacation, I know your politics is different as a socialist, so my comment does not apply to you. Thank You Rojava My Friend - GMS.

[Stylan]

Socialist states? Socialism is stateless my friend.

Ok, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.

In Marxist thought society has to go through several stages before Communism is achieved. Socialism is what goes before Communism, and is built by the dictatorship of the proletariat: a socialist state.

Then at some point Communism poofs into existence and the state disintegrates into a stateless society.

Maybe you believe something other than that, but that’s more or less orthodox’ Marxism.

No, it isn't, and I'm gonna assume you have not read Marx if this is what you believe. The DOTP is the state immediately after revolution, which then transforms into socialism after reactionary elements are supressed. This is socialism - it is the "lower phase of communism," where a little bit of the state still remains, but not much. It is also international, every nation, or almost every nation, is under the control of their working class. Once the dictatorship of the proletariat, the proletariat state, has put down attempts by the bourgeoisie to revolt and established workers control over the economy, the state, needing no more purpose, withers away and moves into socialism. Slowly the state completely disappears and is replaced by a "free association of producers," i.e. communes following the guidelines - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

There is no "socialist state," there is a workers state yes, called the DOTP. This was only achieved in the Paris Commune, a little bit in Catalonia, the RSFSR (very early soviet union) etc.

[Reploid Productions]

Quick note folks, this isn't a thread about socialism, so how about we get back on topic?

[Washington Resistance Army]

GMS, white ethnostates aren't just a thing of hypothetical. The Nazis tried to create a white ethnostate and it led to the death of 12 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other so called "undesirables."

Yes, I know and we all know this and we have to be careful. Actually at first it is very logical to think many non whites would be hurt by them as they gain power to make their white only Democratic Christian Ethnic State for Whites only. The existing states are not going to let them do so peacefully, to replace them and cast them out so they can establish their Democratic Christian Ethnic State for whites only, also if they gained power during the time they have non whites they need to hold them in detention centers until other nations take them in and anything can happen during that time if you get my drift. Rojava My Friend, I saw your post on the Politics thread, I know your politics is different as a socialist, so my comment does not apply to you. Thank You Rojava My Friend - GMS.

You are delusional if you think they just want a nice little Christian democracy for their people. Go onto Stormfront or any other white supremacist space, the majority of them openly idolize Hitler and the Nazis. They'd kill you and all your Cuban friends in a heartbeat.

[Stylan]

Socialism is a single ideology, so yes, there is indeed a correct doctrine of socialism that is the only correct one.

This is equally lazy. There wouldn't be an entire spectrum of socialist theories and ideologies if there was one simple correct one.

Yes, there is. In the same way there is a true capitalism, a true liberalism. The "founders" of socialist theory, Marx and Engels, and to a lesser extent, Lenin, explicitly laid out goals that revisionist theorists such as Mao, Stalin, Hoxha, etc. rejected. Stalin's whole concept of "socialism in one nation" is literally anti-Marxist, ffs.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

>implying there's any one 'socialism' and that they all adhere to a doctrine of statelessness

This is just lazy. Your ideology has as much blood on its hands as any other, it's not special in that regard and you don't need to deflect.

Socialism is a single ideology, so yes, there is indeed a correct doctrine of socialism that is the only correct one. There are tendencies within socialism that are all incorrect, but there is a single true socialism that is stateless. It's literally called just reading what Marx actually wrote.

Socialism was a thing before Marx, you know. There is no one "correct" tendency, especially not if you're simply a literalist Classical Marxist.

[Fahran]

You are delusional if you think they just want a nice little Christian democracy for their people. Go onto Stormfront or any other white supremacist space, the majority of them openly idolize Hitler and the Nazis. They'd kill you and all your Cuban friends in a heartbeat.

This is one reason why I don't really perceive hardline white nationalists or fascists as "conservative" in spite of their ethical critique of modernity. Because want they desire is predicated on massive, bloody, revolutionary changes to achieve. Another is the ideological framework that centers human experience within the context of the state, such that it becomes the moral obligation of a wholly realized state to engage in boundless usurpations of all other institutions - including the church/synagogue, the family, the community, etc. It's profoundly disordered.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Yes, I know and we all know this and we have to be careful. Actually at first it is very logical to think many non whites would be hurt by them as they gain power to make their white only Democratic Christian Ethnic State for Whites only. The existing states are not going to let them do so peacefully, to replace them and cast them out so they can establish their Democratic Christian Ethnic State for whites only, also if they gained power during the time they have non whites they need to hold them in detention centers until other nations take them in and anything can happen during that time if you get my drift. Rojava My Friend, I saw your post on the Politics thread, I know your politics is different as a socialist, so my comment does not apply to you. Thank You Rojava My Friend - GMS.

You are delusional if you think they just want a nice little Christian democracy for their people. Go onto Stormfront or any other white supremacist space, the majority of them openly idolize Hitler and the Nazis. They'd kill you and all your Cuban friends in a heartbeat.

I have read their views on Cubans and all ethnic and racial groups, Where do you think I have been and I will never say where I have been? Yes, they idolize Hitler but they still want their White Christian Ethnic State for Whites Only. Dude Rojava Knows what I am talking about, Dude 95 % of my Cuban Family is White Euro Blond Haired Blue Eyed Cubans on all sides of our Cuban Family, I have a Cuban Red Haired Ginger Cousin Cuban and their kids in the family. We have white Euro Americans Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Patriot Citizens of the USA and their kids in the Family.

From España La Madre Patria Descent From Northern España La Madre Patria. I can share more details and I think I can related it to the topic of this thread on my Cuban Family's ethnic Euro Descents through Argentina and Uruguay they imigrated there from España La Madre Patria, Viva España La Madre Patria.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

You are delusional if you think they just want a nice little Christian democracy for their people. Go onto Stormfront or any other white supremacist space, the majority of them openly idolize Hitler and the Nazis. They'd kill you and all your Cuban friends in a heartbeat.

This is one reason why I don't really perceive hardline white nationalists or fascists as "conservative" in spite of their ethical critique of modernity. Because want they desire is predicated on massive, bloody, revolutionary changes to achieve. Another is the ideological framework that centers human experience within the context of the state, such that it becomes the moral obligation of a wholly realized state to engage in boundless usurpations of all other institutions - including the church/synagogue, the family, the community, etc. It's profoundly disordered.

A theocrat might call for re-establishing the temporal authority of the Pope through revolution. They're no less reactionary or conservative.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I have read their views on Cubans and all ethnic and racial groups

Great, so you understand that they think you're a mixed race abomination that needs to be exterminated or sent back to Cuba to help ensure the future of the white race in North America.

Where do you think I have been and I will never say where I have been?

This is literally gibberish. I cannot understand it.

This is one reason why I don't really perceive hardline white nationalists or fascists as "conservative" in spite of their ethical critique of modernity. Because want they desire is predicated on massive, bloody, revolutionary changes to achieve. Another is the ideological framework that centers human experience within the context of the state, such that it becomes the moral obligation of a wholly realized state to engage in boundless usurpations of all other institutions - including the church/synagogue, the family, the community, etc. It's profoundly disordered.

100%. No matter how they try to dress it up with religious or conservative terms at the end of the day race will always come first.