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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
25
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Total votes : 1321

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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:36 am

East Blepia wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Do you realize you're agreeing with a white supremacist or no?

muh ebil nazis

You know, I wasn't sure about the poll question before, but reading your sophistry has really helped me decide.
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Esthe
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Postby Esthe » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:12 pm

Whoa, a load of posts were deleted.
And now my life has changed in oh so many ways
My independence seems to vanish in the haze

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:14 pm

Esthe wrote:Whoa, a load of posts were deleted.

Most likely because a returning DOS and their posts just got nuked.
EDIT: Seems like you were trying to pull a fast one.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:14 pm

Esthe wrote:Whoa, a load of posts were deleted.

Yes, your spam puppet's garbage was removed. I suggest not trying to hide rulebreaking behind puppet accounts, it doesn't protect you from your actions.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:15 pm

Since I never actually answered the poll no white supremacists, nor any racial supremacy group for that matter, should not be allowed to spread their message. They should be violently repressed by the state if need be.
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The Greene States
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Postby The Greene States » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Since I never actually answered the poll no white supremacists, nor any racial supremacy group for that matter, should not be allowed to spread their message. They should be violently repressed by the state if need be.

I agree. Any type of race supremacists should be shunned and cast out of society. Society itself is a inclusive concept and needs unity and teamwork. Division via ignorant beliefs such as your skin color makes you better needs to be cut out of all societal norms and concepts.

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:27 pm

The Greene States wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Since I never actually answered the poll no white supremacists, nor any racial supremacy group for that matter, should not be allowed to spread their message. They should be violently repressed by the state if need be.

I agree. Any type of race supremacists should be shunned and cast out of society. Society itself is a inclusive concept and needs unity and teamwork. Division via ignorant beliefs such as your skin color makes you better needs to be cut out of all societal norms and concepts.


That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)
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The Greene States
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Postby The Greene States » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:30 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Greene States wrote:I agree. Any type of race supremacists should be shunned and cast out of society. Society itself is a inclusive concept and needs unity and teamwork. Division via ignorant beliefs such as your skin color makes you better needs to be cut out of all societal norms and concepts.


That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)

I for one dont see an issue with punching a Nazi. Do you?

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Postby Fahran » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:35 pm

The Greene States wrote:I for one dont see an issue with punching a Nazi. Do you?

It does pose a bit of a problem with regard to the state having a monopoly on the legitimate use of force under ordinary circumstances. It's also a bit questionable to hit someone for having a stupid opinion or saying a stupid thing. That said, if we're going to discard the state as a mechanism for negotiating political disagreements, theoretically, the shorter path would be large-scale purges of those outside the Overton window approved by the state. Which does have pretty amusing, after a dark fashion, implications for my state rooted in compulsory wholesomeness. And, no, I'm not advocating for purges.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:35 pm

The Greene States wrote:
Nakena wrote:
That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)

I for one dont see an issue with punching a Nazi. Do you?


Other issues aside, a lot of people take a very loose definition of who counts as "nazi" or not.

Prime example is the Berkeley Bikelock attack.
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Postby Odreria » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:39 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Greene States wrote:I agree. Any type of race supremacists should be shunned and cast out of society. Society itself is a inclusive concept and needs unity and teamwork. Division via ignorant beliefs such as your skin color makes you better needs to be cut out of all societal norms and concepts.


That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)

Ok but have you seen what he was wearing :blink:
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Greene States wrote:I agree. Any type of race supremacists should be shunned and cast out of society. Society itself is a inclusive concept and needs unity and teamwork. Division via ignorant beliefs such as your skin color makes you better needs to be cut out of all societal norms and concepts.


That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)


Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nakena wrote:
That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)


Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.


How can you not feel sorry for such a nice likable guy though.
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On the recording, the voice continues: “Little fucking kikes. They get ruled by people like me. Little fucking octaroons. My ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit.”

Later, he continued, “Those pieces of shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them.”
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East Blepia
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:03 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nakena wrote:
That's what is already happening.

Thanks due excessive propaganda anyone who is considered or ends up labelled "Nazi" has become an acceptable target amongst many people. (ex. Punch a nazi controversy around Richard Spencer)


Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.

They can't help being black or brown, but they can help being in our country.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:04 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.

They can't help being black or brown, but they can help being in our country.


It's their country too. They were born and raised here.

Tell me are you Anglo white or white ethnic?
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:05 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.

They can't help being black or brown, but they can help being in our country.


They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color. Its their country as well.
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East Blepia
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
East Blepia wrote:They can't help being black or brown, but they can help being in our country.


They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color.

Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:07 pm

East Blepia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color.

Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.


So what? Being white doesn't;t make you special. Plus people of color where not equal back then.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:07 pm

East Blepia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color.

Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.


Towns out west named in Spanish: "am I a joke to you?"

Btw much of this country was built by the labor of black slaves.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:08 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Richard Spencer isn't a victim and does not deserve sympathy. He can stop being a fascist, whereas the people killed by the rhetoric he pushed can't stop being black or brown. So sorry if I didn't cry when Spencer got sucker punched. He's a sociopathic asshole, a creep and a disgrace of a man.

They can't help being black or brown, but they can help being in our country.


Who's “our,” because they have ancestors who fought in the revolutionary war as much as anyone else.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:08 pm

East Blepia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color.

Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.


The hard part is yet to come anon. The next few decades will be vastly harder than any in our nations history.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:09 pm

East Blepia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are Americans too and not less of it because of their skin color.

Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.

What a shitty metric to use, as after all there is nobody alive nowadays who built the United States, so using that metric nobody passes muster.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:10 pm

Btw hispanics didn't build this country? I walk past the construction crews and road workers and I drive by the farms in the rural areas of my state and all the workers are latinos. This country heavily relies on the labor of hispanic workers. So Jose Martinez probably is a very valuable member of our society.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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East Blepia
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:11 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
East Blepia wrote:Jose Martinez did not build the United States. He just moved in after the white folks had got past the hard part.


Towns out west named in Spanish: "am I a joke to you?"

Btw much of this country was built by the labor of black slaves.

Blacks were exclusively in the south until about 1900, and performed mostly manual labor. I'm sure we would be fine without them.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:13 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Towns out west named in Spanish: "am I a joke to you?"

Btw much of this country was built by the labor of black slaves.

Blacks were exclusively in the south until about 1900, and performed mostly manual labor. I'm sure we would be fine without them.


That's not what the white planters said. They did everything they could to keep black slaves, including fighting a war.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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