White Supremacy discussion thread

[Kubra]

watching this thread for the last day or so ive come to realize how insecure white supremacists are. It really is the mentality of an insecure bully who needs to bring others down so they can feel better about themselves. Its not only because theyre ignorant, its also because theyre pathetic.

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

argumentum ad BLMian

[Esthe]

watching this thread for the last day or so ive come to realize how insecure white supremacists are. It really is the mentality of an insecure bully who needs to bring others down so they can feel better about themselves. Its not only because theyre ignorant, its also because theyre pathetic.

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

[Crysuko]

watching this thread for the last day or so ive come to realize how insecure white supremacists are. It really is the mentality of an insecure bully who needs to bring others down so they can feel better about themselves. Its not only because theyre ignorant, its also because theyre pathetic.

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

Tu quoque

[Rusozak]

watching this thread for the last day or so ive come to realize how insecure white supremacists are. It really is the mentality of an insecure bully who needs to bring others down so they can feel better about themselves. Its not only because theyre ignorant, its also because theyre pathetic.

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

You get that arguing point from 4chan?

[Crysuko]

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

You get that arguing point from 4chan?

/pol/ is a hive of white supremacists, unironic naxis and other wastes of skin. when you spend so long in an echo chamber, your ability to argue atrophies to "no u"

[Crysuko]

/pol/ is a hive of white supremacists, unironic naxis and other wastes of skin. when you spend so long in an echo chamber, your ability to argue atrophies to "no u"

No, it’s a patriotic display of greatness that the liberals are getting rid of.

yes because hating on your countrymen because your melanin is better than theirs is the definition of patriotism

[The Alma Mater]

No, it’s a patriotic display of greatness that the liberals are getting rid of.

yes because hating on your countrymen because your melanin is better than theirs is the definition of patriotism

To be fair- oppressing or exterminating the non-whites is an American tradition.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

watching this thread for the last day or so ive come to realize how insecure white supremacists are. It really is the mentality of an insecure bully who needs to bring others down so they can feel better about themselves. Its not only because theyre ignorant, its also because theyre pathetic.

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

[National Capitalist United States]

theyte not ingorant, BLM is.

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

Nah, that's kinda more like the racist uncle at Thanksgiving.

White supremacists want to lynch black people

[Comfed]

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

Except that, in the real world, people treat black lives like they don’t matter. Trying to make all lives equal isn’t racism.

[The Alma Mater]

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

In theory all lives matter is indeed better. Especially if you mean the original meaning of the quote from the animal rights movement.
In practice it is like responding to "HELP ! My house is on fire, call the firemen!" with "All houses matter. Why should they come just for you? So selfish"

Which would still be ok if you then proceed to make certain all houses are well protected and the fire is put out. But that is something the ALM crowd empathically does not want to do.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

Nobody is saying only black lives matter. Most of the people making that claim just do it because All Lives Matter sounds better than naming your movement "Black Lives Don't Matter," which is in many ways what ALM is.

[Salus Maior]

BLM wants justice. White supremacists just wanna complain about having to live next to black people.

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

The problem is that a lot of people don’t think Black Lives Matter. Which is why it needs to be affirmed that black lives to actually matter.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

Nobody is saying only black lives matter. Most of the people making that claim just do it because All Lives Matter sounds better than naming your movement "Black Lives Don't Matter," which is in many ways what ALM is.

I Prefer All Lives Matter To Make It Very Clear.

[Salus Maior]

Nobody is saying only black lives matter. Most of the people making that claim just do it because All Lives Matter sounds better than naming your movement "Black Lives Don't Matter," which is in many ways what ALM is.

I Prefer All Lives Matter To Make It Very Clear.

Of course you would.

[Crysuko]

I don’t like the message of BLM, I agree that black lives do matter, but black lives don’t matter, it’s just lives that matter. This is why ALM has a better message, even tho if it is made to cover up BLM.

The problem is that a lot of people don’t think Black Lives Matter. Which is why it needs to be affirmed that black lives to actually matter.

when it becomes clear the amount of black men who get the I Can't Breathe treatment, one gains a sympathy for BLM

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Nobody is saying only black lives matter. Most of the people making that claim just do it because All Lives Matter sounds better than naming your movement "Black Lives Don't Matter," which is in many ways what ALM is.

I Prefer All Lives Matter To Make It Very Clear.

ALM is often just used to respond to BLM, so basically 'Hey, black lives matter! Stop disregarding that!'

'You idiot everyone's life matters.'

'Yes, but mine also does so please stop--'

'ARE YOU SOME BLACK SUPREMACIST?????'

[Nakena]

You get that arguing point from 4chan?

/pol/ is a hive of white supremacists, unironic naxis and other wastes of skin. when you spend so long in an echo chamber, your ability to argue atrophies to "no u"

Unironic Naxalites on /pol/? Now thats new!

[Esthe]

Nah, that's kinda more like the racist uncle at Thanksgiving.

White supremacists want to lynch black people

you are bry clearly biaxed.

Every time i see something like this I lose a little bit more faith in humanity.

[Crysuko]

Nah, that's kinda more like the racist uncle at Thanksgiving.

White supremacists want to lynch black people

you are bry clearly biaxed.

go to /pol/ right now and scroll through. you're in denial or lying.

[East Blepia]

I Prefer All Lives Matter To Make It Very Clear.

ALM is often just used to respond to BLM, so basically 'Hey, black lives matter! Stop disregarding that!'

'You idiot everyone's life matters.'

'Yes, but mine also does so please stop--'

'ARE YOU SOME BLACK SUPREMACIST?????'

Very few people are actually killed by police use of force in this country. According to this article, about 400 unarmed blacks were killed by U.S. police from 2013 through 2019, representing about one-third of unarmed people killed by police. What is especially funny is that when you consider the proportion of crimes they commit rather than their proportion of the general population they are actually underrepresented in this regard and should instead comprise about one-half of the aforesaid. And I consider generally that no matter how much training they are put through, people will always be accidentally or mistakenly killed by police, just perhaps at a lower rate. There is legitimate cause for grief by the friends and families of those affected, but I fail to see how they can serve as a basis for a political movement, or for the looting and burning of cities. It is, essentially, a Black racialist movement with a political veneer to fool gullible whites into its ranks.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

ALM is often just used to respond to BLM, so basically 'Hey, black lives matter! Stop disregarding that!'

'You idiot everyone's life matters.'

'Yes, but mine also does so please stop--'

'ARE YOU SOME BLACK SUPREMACIST?????'

Very few people are actually killed by police use of force in this country. According to this article, about 400 unarmed blacks were killed by U.S. police from 2013 through 2019, representing about one-third of unarmed people killed by police. What is especially funny is that when you consider the proportion of crimes they commit rather than their proportion of the general population they are actually underrepresented in this regard and should instead comprise about one-half of the aforesaid. And I consider generally that no matter how much training they are put through, people will always be accidentally or mistakenly killed by police, just perhaps at a lower rate. There is legitimate cause for grief by the friends and families of those affected, but I fail to see how they can serve as a basis for a political movement, or for the looting and burning of cities. It is, essentially, a Black racialist movement with a political veneer to fool gullible whites into its ranks.

The police count almost everything as a weapon. The white homeless man shot in a Portland park last night had an airsoft gun on him, which probably counts as a weapon, but he definitely did not need to be shot. But go off I guess. It's ironic seeing you accuse people of being racialists.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

This isn't even subtle.
So this is a new Congressional Caucus, the "America First Congress", formed by, as of now, 5 House Representatives. Unsurprisingly, they include Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Louie Gohmert (R-TX) and Paul Gosar (R-A) (shocking that "jewish space lasers" "qanon promoters" and "speak at white nationalist conventions" are all part of the outright nativist club, but we also have the quiet Rep. Barry Moore (R-AL) and totally innocent off all wrongdoing Rep. Matt Gaetz

Now, what do they espouse? Some very interesting things
There is, of course the standard conservative definitely has no racial undertones blathering about voter fraud

The AFC is in support of nationwide systemic electoral reform. Both Democrats and
Republicans have pointed out for years the systemic failures in our election tabulation. A Republic that relies on elections must ensure its elections are fair and transparent. There is a growing consensus that both objectives have failed. Recent election results demonstrate a compromised integrity of our elections and made our election system a subject of global mockery. Across the country federal elections have been undermined by using voting machines that are readily compromised and illegally accessed whereby results appear manipulated, voters are disenfranchised, and faith in our system eroded. Mail-in voting, long recognized as subject to fraud, has become normalized. We will work
towards an end to mail-in voting, implementation of national voter ID and substantive investigations into mass voter fraud perpetrated during the 2020 election.

there's also this, which looks almost like a typical conservative position (until you realize who they're talking about

America was founded on the basis of individual and state sovereignty, to ensure that no free American would be lorded over by a Monarch ever again. Unfortunately, bureaucrats in Washington, D.C. and the elites who control them have risen to form a new oligarchy — one that is far more decadent, corrosive and hostile to the will of the people than the Founders could have ever dreamed of. This is why sovereignty is of paramount importance to the AFC. We will work to divest power from the federal government and give it back to the states and the people to restore the balance of federalism. We believe in, and will fight for, the principles of federalism and decentralization of political power; the government closest to the people is the best equipped to handle their concerns. At the federal level, this means exposing deep state actors, shrinking the regulatory state, and eliminating thousands of regulations and indeed entire bureaucracies.

now let's be clear here- "elites" and "bureaucrats" do not actually mean those words
how an oligarchy is going to be curbed by deregulating everything is not fully clear (how this would benefit anyone except "Woke Corporation", isn't entirely clear either)
it's almost as if they're referring to something entirely different hm, wonder who "the deep state" could be

Silicon Valley tech firms have become the most powerful arbiters of information in the history of mankind. The treasure trove of data they have collected from Americans have given them powers that would make a Soviet dictator blush. We have seen these powers weaponized and
deployed against conservatives in recent years, even as Big Tech firms continue to allow terrorists and pedophiles to organize and publish on their platforms. This represents an egregious offense against the First Amendment and the values enshrined within it. The America First Caucus is calling for a solution that starts with reform of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

so firstly that isn't what Section 230 does (or the first amendment, for that matter)
secondly, notice how the deregulation that they were just espousing have been fully thrown out the window when it comes to the culture war
nobody ever got banned from twitter for wanting lower taxes
way to stick up for conservative principles

and now we get to the fun part

The America First Caucus recognizes that our country is more than a mass of consumers or a series of abstract ideas. America is a nation with a border, and a culture, strengthened by a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions.

that's not a dogwhistle, that's a foghorn

History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country,

let's take a look at the word choice: "imported en-masse"
for this to be true, there must be someone doing the importing, no? who is it? they'll never tell you, you just have to figure it out from the rest of the right-wing ecosystem, which is eager to let you know

particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country.

ah yes, tying the welfare state to immigrants
and here i thought the Trump wing was supposed to be "economically populist"
wonder if that was too wide a descriptor and those policies are actually being motivated by something else...nahhhhhhh

While certain economic and financial interest groups benefit immensely from mass immigration, legal as well as illegal, and the aggregate output of the country increases, the reality of large segments of our society as well as the long-term existential future of America as a unique country with a unique culture and a unique identity being put at unnecessary risk is something our leaders can afford to ignore no longer.

earlier: "immigrants don't contribute"
now: "immigrants do contribute but they're bad actually"
never mind the fact that america doesn't actually have a culture, it has a fuckton of subcultures
for some totally unknowable reason, this never gets mentioned

As such, America’s legal immigration system should be curtailed to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law. America’s borders must be defended, and illegal immigration must be stopped without exception.

"america's borders must be defended"
militarization rhetoric at the border in no-way works towards any negative consequences whatsoever

Moreover, we cannot ignore the impact that mass immigration has on reducing job opportunities and depreciating wages for Americans. Further restricting immigration would ensure that American jobs go to American workers. The econometric evidence and consensus amongst labor economists is that in addition to being a substantial net drain on the public purse, post-1965 immigrants decrease the capital-to-labor ratio within the national economy, thereby causing a massive shift in the gains of the economy from wage earners to the shareholders and
owners of large firms.

(note: the economic consensus is the opposite of this)
but i wonder why they specify post-1965
could it be that there's a change in immigration demographics (and cultural shifts they want to associate with immigrants) that largely hasn't been accepted into the white dominant group and as such, is allowed to suffer rhetorical attacks
hmmmmm

An important distinction between post-1965 immigrants and previous waves of settlers is that previous cohorts were more educated, earned higher wages,

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and did not have an expansive welfare state to fall back on when they could not make it in America and thus did not stay in the country at the expense of the native-born.

i would recommend looking into "settlement houses" before making that sort of claim
(i would also note that immigrants, legal or not, are net contributers)
but the point here is that as a rhetorical trick, this works, because they're grouped together immigrants (and by immigrants they mean latinos)with "lazy welfare moochers"

Another important point of note is the many pauses in immigration that have taken place in this country following a large intake of immigrants. These pauses have been absolutely essential in assimilating the new arrivals and weeding out those who could not or refused to abandon their old loyalties and plunge head-first into mainstream American society.

so firstly that's a nonsequitur
but also...notice the term "abandon their old loyalties"
we've never seen that trope used against anyone ever

A measure of a country’s greatness is the value recognized in being a citizen. As such, we cannot tarnish this important designation by rewarding those who failed to follow our laws at the expense of those who have, which is why amnesty must be rejected in all forms. Additionally, we must abolish unnaturalized birthright citizenship, which actively encourages hostile interests to undermine the legitimacy of democratic self-governance by engaging in subversive “birth tourism” and chain migration. Lastly, federally imposed refugee resettlement programs should be rejected due both to disruption to small communities and the corruption rampant within these programs.

so this is where it starts getting really blatant about the conspiracy mongering
and sure, it's tempting to laugh, this is...ridiculous
but they're serious
let's examine this sentence again
"Additionally, we must abolish unnaturalized birthright citizenship, which actively encourages hostile interests to undermine the legitimacy of democratic self-governance by engaging in subversive “birth tourism” and chain migration."
that's right, hostile immigrants are attempting to undermine the self-governance of the people by having children
(if your alarm bells were not going off before, they really should be now)

The America First Caucus will work towards an infrastructure that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture, whereby public infrastructure must be utilitarian as well as stunningly, classically beautiful, befitting a world power and source of freedom.

i...don't
i don't think i need to explain what's wrong here
but this is the point where the last edges of the mask just sort of collapse and fade into dust
"that befits the progeny of European architecture"
they're just outright saying it
there's no euphemism
and that should be worrying

As the Romans demonstrated with aqueducts, walls and roads, function and beauty are not at odds. Federally funded infrastructure, including roads, buildings, airports, seaports, bridges, should demonstrate a pride of workmanship. A bridge is not merely something to cross from side A to side B, it is a connection among peoples.

now normally, this wouldn't be eyebrow-raising
but with context...well there's a reason every shitty far-right online soapbox is using roman aesthetics
(note for the strawmen: allusions to rome are not automatically signs one is far-right, they must be taken in context)

Infrastructure is one of the few areas where the federal government should exercise its constitutional authority. For decades, America has been sending trillions of dollars out the door to support the infrastructure of other nations—even to countries that hate the United—with nothing to show for it. Simultaneously, our domestic infrastructure is failing, crumbling and
decaying from within. This Caucus will work to direct as much money as possible to our domestic infrastructure needs.

blah blah typical nativism "only america matters" not really noteworthy

Dilapidated roads and bridges should be rebuilt, dams and wastewater plants must be secured, borders secured, drinking water systems improved, amongst other much needed additional investments. The America First Caucus knows that these projects impact the daily lives of
American citizens.

since when were borders infrastructure? since we needed to fearmonger about (brown) immigrants, of course

Whether it is aid for humanitarian or military purposes, sending taxpayer money outside of the nation is generally an unwise undertaking and an entanglement that rarely provides any benefit to our citizens. Often, these funds end up in the wrong hands, are squandered through corruption, or go toward the pet projects of liberal interventionists.

same thing as before-tying aid programs to "undeserving" people (of whom very few are white, hmmm) or ideological opponents

With so many unmet needs in the United States, helping other countries with their infrastructure, their military, their immigration problems and their economies makes no sense.

you'd think during a pandemic, you'd want to...you know, maybe consider that the world is intertwined
but no, for the nativist, no help can ever be given to the foreigner, for that would defeat their ideological purpose

American tax dollars should not go toward teaching gender studies in Pakistan or supporting ideologically subversive non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Taxpayer money should be spent at home, allowing individual Americans to make charitable contributions to those around
the world in need.

if someone could explain what the fuck an "ideologically subversive NGO" is, i'm all ears
i actually have no clue what this is referring to

The America First Caucus believes that the American people are the most kind and charitable in the world, and they would be far better at allocating their own money than having corrupt bureaucrats play around with it.

good, old-fashioned American exceptionalism!
(but it's hitting on the same themes: your government has been taken over by a corrupt cabal of deep state actors who are using your hard work and resources to benefit themselves and people you don't care about)

For far too long, a hawkish neoconservative foreign policy has been the default for the American Right. This has resulted in America being bogged-down in endless conflicts with trillion-dollar price tags in addition to having thousands of American heroes losing their lives as a result.
Meanwhile, our nation’s infrastructure and our border security have been traitorously neglected. Decades in Afghanistan have accomplished little except to enrich defense contractors and empower the military-industrial complex. The people of Afghanistan have endured an endless
parade of violence typically with one side funded by our tax dollars. Regime change operations in Iraq and Libya have proved disastrous, while doing nothing to keep Americans safe. Indeed, after the Obama Administration used our military to topple Libyan President Qadafi, Libya has
turned into a failed state where there are open slave markets, lawlessness and chaos. What was once a functioning state is now a failed state, because of Obama’s intervention. This is not what our military was meant for. The America First Caucus recognizes that America can no longer afford to be the world’s policeman. Instead of endless interventions, bold diplomatic endeavors must be undertaken with countries such as Russia and North Korea to ensure a more peaceful and stable world. America should not be sacrificing blood and treasure while our so-called allies refuse to pull their weight in contributing toward neutralizing threatening actors in the world. America must remain a free
and independent Republic, not a globalist watchdog.

eh, this is more or less correct
(minor gripe with the last sentence, that's not what "globalist" means, and the phrase "independent republic" goes back to the same themes of isolationism they've been promoting throughout the piece)

Ever since the outbreak of the novel coronavirus originating from China and the first known case of coronavirus in the United States on Jan 21, 2020, the United States government and health organizations issued guidelines and policies that would hinder and destroy the American
economy in many ways. These guidelines, which includes mask mandates and social distancing rules, are socially conditioning the culture and behavior of Americans. Additionally, to truly enforce social distancing and hopefully diminish the spread of the disease, many state
governors have decided to lockdown their states, meaning that businesses deemed ‘nonessential’ are not allowed to open and provide service. Together, these policies and guidelines have ruined many businesses to bankruptcy such that many Americans are left unemployed and potentially destitute. Social problems, including suicide and divorce, have escalated because state governors, which the encouragement of the CDC, have locked down families. At the time the virus landed in the United States, there was not a lot known about the new disease.
Now, a year later, there is much research and data. It is essential to discontinue the lockdowns, remove capacity restrictions and allow businesses to continue operations. Now that the damage is done, many Americans are in need of assistance to pay their bills: the government should thus effectively provide direct financial support to improve the livelihood of Americans. The America First Caucus will work to make
sure we do not overreact to a pandemic in this same way again.

this is batshit and i don't think i need to explain why it's wrong
perhaps the only thing in there approaching reality is "the government should provide direct financial support to americans"

Ever since the end of the Second World War, the sine qua non of being a conservative has been to support unrestricted international trade. The main intellectual justification of this has been The Theory of Comparative Advantage, which was first proposed by David Ricardo over two
centuries ago. One key flaw that has been overlooked by establishment Republicans and Democrats alike is that the theory assumes negligible movement of capital and labor across borders. The absence of such a condition today, combined with the shift in commercial priorities from productivity and innovation to cost cutting, has meant that free international trade simply serves to homogenize living standards around the world. It should hardly come as a surprise that the transfer of wealth to millions in the Western Pacific has resulted in millions being kicked
out of the middle class in the North Atlantic. Free trade accomplishes many of the same nefarious economic goals that mass immigration
does. Essentially, it allows capital to search for markets with the lowest capital-to-labor ratios that will allow it in, which in turn allows this capital to exact higher returns by exploiting the relative excess of labor that exist in the third world, transforming these countries into essentially industrial plantations run by semi-slaves. At the same time, workers in capital-exporting countries such as America have less bargaining power because of the decrease in capital, which puts massive downward pressure on their wages and benefits, assuming they even manage to hold on to their jobs. Not only is this devastating to their standard of living, but the lack of meaningful work in the production of tangible goods serves to eviscerate any sense of dignity and worth these workers and their families had, resulting in the myriad of social ills we
see in rural America today, such as the opioid epidemic. There are also non-economic considerations that have been neglected in the debate on trade, namely the issue of national security. In such a globalized economic system, supply chains for even the most basic and essential goods are spread to the four corners of the globe. This only makes sense from a purely short-term monetary point of view. While this form of production might be profitable to specific firms in the short-run, it is an unmitigated disaster to the long-term interests of many countries, including our own. Any hiccup in the global supply chain can result in massive supply shocks around the world, a reality that was glaringly exposed during the COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns. The fact that any section of our food and medical supply chains are located in China, our greatest geopolitical adversary, would have been considered treasonous not too long ago. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have outsourced America’s manufacturing for decades, offshoring jobs, deflating wages and destroying communities, particularly in rural America. Under these bad ‘free trade’ deals, other countries have also placed strict restrictions on U.S. exports entering their borders. The America First Caucus believes it is time to stop worshipping at the altar of idealized free trade, and actually deliver for American workers. We call for a new approach to trade that prioritizes American workers, treats U.S. exporters more fairly, imposes tariffs and import restrictions where necessary to protect our vital industries, and holds malevolent state actors—especially China—accountable for violating our trade laws on issues ranging from intellectual property left to forced technology transfers. Every new free trade agreement considered by Congress should be thoroughly assessed in order to ensure it benefits our country’s manufacturers and workers. We also cannot forget that jobs are personal—they impact individuals and families in unique and specific ways. Pretending that rising GDP or faster access to higher-quality products is always better than meaningful work for American workers and their families is a betrayal of our values and demonstrates complete ignorance of long-term consequences.

this is also, broadly speaking, correct (though i take issue with the sentence "goal of mass immigration")

Conservation of the nation we live in is an important aspect of American nationalism. Since the 1980s, climate change, formerly known as global warming, has become a hot button political issue. The America First Caucus supports conservation of the environment and our national
lands for the benefit of our nation. Having said that, we should not cripple our country’s manufacturing sector through agreements such as the Paris Climate Accords. We oppose the globalist, vague, and irrelevant policies being pushed under the guise of combating climate change. If Americans want to conserve the environment, they should push for better waste management and other substantive remedies, not wasteful social justice programs like the Green New Deal.

this is meaningless virtue-signalling-or at at least it is on its face
the obvious rebuttal is "if we don't take drastic measures-far more so than the measly ones promoted here-we will die
but let's look at a few choice words
"globalist", "social justice"
they're trying the work we actually need to vague ideological opponents (and i'm pretty sure "globalist" has been code for "the jews" since forever)

Environmentalism also includes proper allocation of resources. Fishermen and hunters have legitimate, and culturally deep, ties to the land. Gold mines, copper mines and oil wells contribute to our modern lifestyle. All of these are to be balanced with preserving opportunities
for hiking, camping and enjoying the visual beauty of our lands. On federal lands where the impact on local farmers and ranchers would be minimal, rewilding initiatives, including megafauna reintroductions, should also be explored, creating new opportunities for business
and tourism

"we must protect the lands, as long as it doesn't inconvenience anyone doing these culturally approved activities"
this is obviously incoherent

While it is vital to preserve our environment, we should not use it as an impetus to destroy the energy industry that hires millions of hard-working Americans. Our elected officials should stand proudly with America’s struggling coal country against job-killing regulations, and welcome the ongoing shift towards clean coal.

note: "Clean coal" is actually more of a pollutant than normal coal
but this section is because for the 21st Century American Nativist, no ground can be ceded on the culture war
for those in the know, coal mining employment has been decreasing practically everywhere, and companies are continuously declaring bankruptcy. as an economic strategy, they might as well come out in defense of Big Horse. But this is not an economic issue-it is a cultural one. And for the American Nativist, the culture war will always take priority, it is their raison d'être and the area from which their emotional and electoral strength is drawn. all else is window dressing

In addition, the construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines will promote North American energy independence and allow the United States to more easily extricate itself from the conflicts of the Middle East. Moreover, hydraulic fracking technology, when used appropriately, can provide more affordable oil and gas for Americans, and therefore any attempts to ban this practice on a national level should be resisted.

ah, now it's "North American" energy independence
and here i thought we were trying to protect the environment
almost like the principles are in service of something else...our never-ending culture war

The America First Caucus supports innovation in green energy, such as in the form of nuclear energy. However, it is important to closely scrutinize and reduce taxpayer subsidies for wasteful green energy projects that fail to deliver the required return on investment for the
American people.

I wonder why they only specified nuclear energy
could there possibly be an aversion to, say, wind power, among certain hyper-conservative members of the american right?

Since the 1940s, the American dollar has been the global reserve currency, a position which has greatly benefitted the real American economy by strengthening the purchasing power of wages and savings. Unfortunately, the strength of America’s monetary position has been under attack for decades by Keynesian economists domestically, and by globalist institutions looking to enhance China’s position on the global stage. We must oppose international currency manipulation and its detrimental long-term impacts for the American economy and U.S. dollar.
We must protect the rights of Americans to best position themselves for a changing economy by promoting the development of cryptocurrency companies domestically, and defend the rights of Americans to hold private stores of wealth – including gold, silver, and other blockchain-based
currencies like Bitcoin.

ahahahhahahahahaahhahahaahhaahahhahaahaahaa

i can't even analyze this i'm sorry
it's just so far divorced from anything approaching any understanding of economics ever

The 20th Century saw the decline in many vital American institutions. None has been more damaging to the United States than our education system. The increased consolidation of educational spending came with it the ability for powerful left-wing special interest groups to
redirect the focus away from preparing future generations of national talent [box] all hail the capitalist machine, sacrifice your children to the blood thresher, question nothing
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to progessive indoctrination and enrichment of an out-of-control elite oligarchy.

who is this "elite oligarchy?" how are they being enriched? we don't know
what we do know is that schools teaching about things like "slavery" and "american failures" is bad and wrong unless they are shown in the specific context of america overcoming those failures (and probably only from the white point of view, if i had to guess)

Not since the fall of the Soviet Union has America faced a civilizational challenge from another state actor quite like the modern Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

"civilizational challenge"
that reminds me of Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, am i the only one

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While the liberalization of the Chinese government in the 90’s and early 2000s gave hope that the CCP was moving in the direction of being a peaceful and beneficial actor on the world stage, the Xi-era has been one defined by the dangerous resurrection of Neo-Maoist thinking.

"we don't know what words mean, but anti-communist fearmongering works anyway"

Unfortunately, American corporations – following federal policies that have actively incentivized investment outside of the US – have chosen to place short-term financial interests at the expense of basic human decency. In doing so, we must confront a dangerous new reality where much of America’s soft power is actively siding with an increasingly hostile-global actor, at the same time America’s military has been mismanaged into overextending itself in the sands of the Middle East.

i realize that the Rise of China is like a terrifying reality for pretty much everyone but just saying "china bad and we must confront them" is not going to do anything to help

We must also check against any globalist institutions that increasingly laud the authoritarian nature of the CCP as a model for future governance, and not a terrifying rejection of civilized society. Furthermore, we understand that the rise of China means that the United States must be prepared militarily and economically to compete with a peer-competitor.

what is "civilized?" only we get to decide! (please don't apply the metrics we use for calling china uncivilized to any point of america in the past that would be unamerican and ideologically subversive)


now this is very clumsy, because it is written by idiots, who have to play into specific political realities and culture war gripes
but i think it does lean heavily into at least some elements of fascism
how widespread it is remains to be seen, and this is in no way representative of the entire republican party
and for what it's worth, not every hard-righter in the party goes this far
but the presence is still there

that's funny, everything you just said was wrong. I've been on here for five minutes and I've already had enough for the week, gosh dang your opinions suck.

[Kubra]

that's funny, everything you just said was wrong. I've been on here for five minutes and I've already had enough for the week, gosh dang your opinions suck.

not an argument.