White Supremacy discussion thread

[Picairn]

It isn't our problem. If they need somewhere else to stay, they should try for somewhere that's already vacant such as Siberia or Antarctica. If climate change got bad enough, we're all going to need to relocate to where it is coldest and do the necessary work to take CO2 back out of the atmosphere and sequester it.

Lmao what is there in Siberia or Antarctica? Have you ever been to them once?

[Grenartia]

You just have a sick desire to see others suffer for no good reason.

How much suffering will be caused by sending immigrants back to their home countries in good order? How much suffering will be caused by the creation of a robust border, the prevention of trade in drugs and in pornography? How much suffering will be caused by ending endless wars in the Middle East, ending the constant unnatural conflict between the 'Left' and 'Right' that is tearing our nation apart? How much suffering will be caused by the restoration of hope in this country, the abolition of our debts and obligations to international bankers, and if necessary our protection from them by force? How much suffering will be caused by the reconstruction of the American family, the acknowledgement by mainstream society and media of absolute truths, the abolition of rent- and wage-slavery, the restoration of natural law and a good-natured society? I do not want anyone to suffer. I do not hate gays, I hate the sin against themselves and against God that they commit. I do not hate other races; I simply feel that they do not belong in our nations, just as we do not belong in theirs. I do not hate anyone. I am not driven by hate. I am not a servant of Satan. I just want what is best for my people.

Your ideology is built on nothing but hatred for others. It is an affront to the well-being of all truly good people. Tell yourself whatever lies you must, but that is the plain truth. You may even genuinely believe you are not only not evil, but doing the "right" thing. This matters not, for you are still complicit in evil, and will be judged accordingly.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I am a National Socialist.

What a surprise.

[Nevertopia]

What do you mean, 'call us out'? I am a racist. I am a National Socialist. I am a homophobe. I am not trying to hide it. This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate, then you shouldn't be here.

Call you out for trying to bait people into white supremacy under the guise of “caring about civilization”.

no no, this is good. he wants a debate, just keep citing that the basis for his arguments have all been proven incorrect by current academia.

[Picairn]

What do you mean, 'call us out'? I am a racist. I am a National Socialist. I am a homophobe. I am not trying to hide it. This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate, then you shouldn't be here.

Mask off moment.

[Luminesa]

You just have a sick desire to see others suffer for no good reason.

How much suffering will be caused by sending immigrants back to their home countries in good order? How much suffering will be caused by the creation of a robust border, the prevention of trade in drugs and in pornography? How much suffering will be caused by ending endless wars in the Middle East, ending the constant unnatural conflict between the 'Left' and 'Right' that is tearing our nation apart? How much suffering will be caused by the restoration of hope in this country, the abolition of our debts and obligations to international bankers, and if necessary our protection from them by force? How much suffering will be caused by the reconstruction of the American family, the acknowledgement by mainstream society and media of absolute truths, the abolition of rent- and wage-slavery, the restoration of natural law and a good-natured society? I do not want anyone to suffer. I do not hate gays, I hate the sin against themselves and against God that they commitI do not hate other races; I simply feel that they do not belong in our nations, just as we do not belong in theirs. I do not hate anyone. I am not driven by hate. I am not a servant of Satan. I just want what is best for my people.

All of this babble and Lil Nas X just moved over so you can sit in the Devil’s lap. After all, you speak lies just like the Father of Lies. Your yes does not mean yes and your no does not mean no.

[Luminesa]

Call you out for trying to bait people into white supremacy under the guise of “caring about civilization”.

no no, this is good. he wants a debate, just keep citing that the basis for his arguments have all been proven incorrect by current academia.

I can talk education all day and I have data for miles.

[The Reformed American Republic]

What do you mean, 'call us out'? I am a racist. I am a National Socialist. I am a homophobe. I am not trying to hide it. This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate, then you shouldn't be here.

Mask off moment.

That's not his mask. His mask is probably denying the holocaust and sugarcoating what NS really entails as an ideology.

[Drew Durrnil]

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Being a n*zi automatically earns you the foe list from me.

[Nevertopia]

How much suffering will be caused by sending immigrants back to their home countries in good order? How much suffering will be caused by the creation of a robust border, the prevention of trade in drugs and in pornography? How much suffering will be caused by ending endless wars in the Middle East, ending the constant unnatural conflict between the 'Left' and 'Right' that is tearing our nation apart? How much suffering will be caused by the restoration of hope in this country, the abolition of our debts and obligations to international bankers, and if necessary our protection from them by force? How much suffering will be caused by the reconstruction of the American family, the acknowledgement by mainstream society and media of absolute truths, the abolition of rent- and wage-slavery, the restoration of natural law and a good-natured society? I do not want anyone to suffer. I do not hate gays, I hate the sin against themselves and against God that they commitI do not hate other races; I simply feel that they do not belong in our nations, just as we do not belong in theirs. I do not hate anyone. I am not driven by hate. I am not a servant of Satan. I just want what is best for my people.

All of this babble and Lil Nas X just moved over so you can sit in the Devil’s lap. After all, you speak lies just like the Father of Lies. Your yes does not mean yes and your no does not mean no.

see this is a learning moment for all of us. At the root of white supremacy is a deep sense of insecurity that shuns the world out of weakness. How a profoundly, aggressively and confidently stupid belief.

[Grenartia]

And you've finally acknowledged what I've been trying to tell you all along.

No this is proper form, if someone is debating with the wrong information you call them out on it. GG EZ win. amirite? But if you dont consider dunking on bad faith arguments as debate I dont blame you.

I seem to be open to many other tools in the box than you. There's so much else that can be done to stop Nazis without resorting to government tyranny or to the rifle and bomb that are more effective than 'civil debate' or even based dunks. Building solidarity between the most targeted groups and even opponents who would otherwise stand to gain under Nazism. Deplatforming the shit out of them. Unironically cancelling them. Just to name a few.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Being a n*zi automatically earns you the foe list from me.

You made him a NotSee.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Being a n*zi automatically earns you the foe list from me.

I for one don't place any persons on ignore for any reasons, even for actionable personal and political insults against me, and I am very proud of it, but I am not the only person on NS.

[Neu California]

You overstate the correlation CONSIDERABLY.

No, I just looked at the relative size of the bars on the graph. The bar representing Whites in the first group was about thrice the size of that in the final group.

And missed that I was treating it as a factor, not the end all and be all.

Never mind the other factors like racism,

Racism does not prevent one from becoming proficient in mathematics.

It does affect learning and academic achievement PDF for your perusal

lack of education and employment opportunities,

Minority students receive preferential treatment in scholarships and in college admissions. They may now actually benefit from racism.

Such a limited picture as to be useless. As it turns out, minority students do have much less access to proper educational resources than white students on average.

family issues,

The Minnesota adoption study filters for family issues - groups of White, mixed-race, and Black students were all adopted by White middle-class families, and tested for IQ. A pronounced racial gap was present. They all experienced family issues as a result of having been adopted, yes, but the potency of these family issues must have been roughly equal.

Others have talked about this and you refusal to engage 3with them is quite telling.

lack of access to good foods (Food deserts are more abundant in minority areas

Yes, but the study I cited earlier which filtered for family income would presumably also negate that effect, since more affluent minority families tend to live in non-minority areas.

Nope.

contribute to the gap you're trying to solely attribute to race.

Yes, but most of these can be connected to race in some way.

Prove it. And the Minnesota Study doesn't count unless you can adequately satisfy all the other posters who challenged your conclusions on it that you're actually right.

[Saiwania]

Lmao what is there in Siberia or Antarctica? Have you ever been to them once?

There is nothing there now, but there could be if things were built. The point is that if the planet became sufficiently hot, those will be the "safe havens" so to speak because if the rest of the planet is at 130+ F, those places will be at 65 F or lower, because those locations would normally be super cold if there wasn't too much of a blanket of greenhouse gases.

The real solution is that we'll have to stop using fossil fuels completely, and gradually remove the CO2 out of the atmosphere thats already been emitted. We have the chemistry technology to remove carbon, just that it currently doesn't scale well and is very expensive and energy intensive for little immediate gain. The other main game changer is that developing nuclear fusion is almost certainly required, in that it is the most clear path to getting the vast amounts of energy that we need.

[Washington Resistance Army]

All of this babble and Lil Nas X just moved over so you can sit in the Devil’s lap. After all, you speak lies just like the Father of Lies. Your yes does not mean yes and your no does not mean no.

see this is a learning moment for all of us. At the root of white supremacy is a deep sense of insecurity that shuns the world out of weakness.

Actually a very true statement. There's a very distinct trend that most white supremacists are NEETs, probably virgins, have little experience in the world etc etc.

[Luminesa]

All of this babble and Lil Nas X just moved over so you can sit in the Devil’s lap. After all, you speak lies just like the Father of Lies. Your yes does not mean yes and your no does not mean no.

see this is a learning moment for all of us. At the root of white supremacy is a deep sense of insecurity that shuns the world out of weakness.

[Grenartia]

And you've finally acknowledged what I've been trying to tell you all along.

What do you mean, 'call us out'? I am a racist. I am a National Socialist. I am a homophobe. I am not trying to hide it. This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate, then you shouldn't be here.

Oh, I like debating. I just won't debate yall. Doing so is utterly beneath me. Not worth my time or effort. Live long and die mad about it.

[Nevertopia]

No this is proper form, if someone is debating with the wrong information you call them out on it. GG EZ win. amirite? But if you dont consider dunking on bad faith arguments as debate I dont blame you.

I seem to be open to many other tools in the box than you. There's so much else that can be done to stop Nazis without resorting to government tyranny or to the rifle and bomb that are more effective than 'civil debate' or even based dunks. Building solidarity between the most targeted groups and even opponents who would otherwise stand to gain under Nazism. Deplatforming the shit out of them. Unironically cancelling them. Just to name a few.

I agree in suppressing nazis, I think we differ in that I believe the best way to do it is to air out how stupid they are first instead of going straight to violence.

[East Blepia]

I'm not complaining about blacks being poor. I am saying that even the richest ones are on average less intelligent than the poorest whites - at least according to SAT scores. So there's one more to the list. We now know SAT scores, as well as IQ tests, across time, location, and methodology, consistently display a hierarchy of more and less intelligent races, Asians being the most intelligent, followed by Whites, followed by Hispanics, followed by Blacks.

While we're at it, let's try to add a few more items to this list:
State school exams, in general
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SAT scores of applicants to certain American law schools
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Children of various races, all of whom were adopted by White parents, destroying any argument about the quality of their neighborhoods, about poor schooling, lack of services, etc.
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At what point will you quit saying that the studies are flawed, that the sources are not reputable, that it has been 'debunked', &c., and just accept that you are wrong?

Okay so let the actual teacher working on a Master’s degree explain to you how these tests work and why they don’t measure intelligence:

I respect your credentials as a teacher, but you must acknowledge your biases as a participant in this debate. Your degrees do not represent an oriental kick to my chest.

1.) Standardized testing specifically focuses more on testing skills than content knowledge. Tests like the ACT and SAT are taken in a single day, and generally are very disconnected from the curriculum the students are learning in school. Just because you have a graph showing the disparity doesn’t mean you actually know what that disparity represents or where it is coming from.

The disparity represents, generally speaking, proficiency in math. It is not relevant how similar the test is to the curriculum the students are taught as it is still a predictor of their skills in math, which are of course closely tied to intelligence.

2.) Your first graph specifically measures average white and black students, rich students, and poor students. Grenartia is correct that rich students get higher scores, as they tend to have more access to resources.

Yes.

I have observed and tutored in a variety of schools. One was a private school with an enormous library, media, and digital resources. This school was predominantly white, wealthier students, snuggled in the back of a well-to-do neighborhood. The other school was in an abandoned neighborhood, which was in development for some time and then abandoned after Hurricane Katrina. Most of these students were minority children. Black and Hispanic children are not less intelligent, they primarily live in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods with less access to resources.

That is true. Minority students are, on average, poorer than Whites, and have less access to services. However, one study I presented filters families by income level, which would mean that any socio-economic factors would be negated.

3.) Third-grade reading proficiency is complex. No Child Left Behind’s goal was to have all children reading at grade-level at 3rd grade. However, if a child is living in a lower socioeconomic condition, they are a lot less likely to develop their fundamental skills to reach grade level. Some of these skills include:

Fluency: Studies on childhood literacy development show that a student’s understanding of vocabulary come from a child being read to, discussing literature, and specifically asking complex questions. Students from lower socioeconomic conditions oftentimes are either not read to or talked to, due to parents working often or children not having access to proper books. Furthermore, by the age of 3, the poorest children know 30 million less words than their richer counterparts. This puts minority children especially at a significant disadvantage to reach their fundamental fluency goals.

30 MILLION ??? This is a serious discovery.

Reading comprehension: Reading less books and having less access to the arts puts children behind in reading comprehension. This is not helped when some of the most prominent cities in the nation are ‘reading deserts’ where children do not have access to books. Again, most of the children affected by this disparity are minority children.

Yes, but I have presented a study which filters for family income, so this should not be relevant. When minority students are so disadvantage, you must begin to ask whether their low intelligence is a result of their poverty, as is commonly said, or their poverty is a result of their pre-existing low intelligence.

Phonics: Phonics has been tossed to the wayside by our standardized-testing-driven curriculums, and this is a bad thing. Especially for poor children. Overall a lack of phonics education is terrible for reaching 3rd-grade standards. And when children from lower socioeconomic conditions are thrown in front of the bus of standardized testing without a strong phonics background...it’s a horrible accident waiting to happen.

Education has plenty to do with race, but not in the way you think it does. Minority children and poor children often face an incredible amount of obstacles, many of which are due to a lack of a focus on the fundamentals in many public schools. Others are due to the fact that their parents are working multiple jobs, they have no parent reading to them, or they are not reading the right books. Oversimplifying this issue does no service to the betterment of education, so why don’t you leave that to the people who actually have a degree in the job, and to other citizens who genuinely care for education and who

aren’t trying to score brownie points with their porn-spamming buddies from Stormfront.

I don't know why you people keep talking about Stormfront because I have never used that site.

[Drew Durrnil]

Being a n*zi automatically earns you the foe list from me.

You made him a NotSee.

He admitted to being a National Socialist, which = n*zi.

[East Blepia]

What do you mean, 'call us out'? I am a racist. I am a National Socialist. I am a homophobe. I am not trying to hide it. This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate, then you shouldn't be here.

Oh, I like debating. I just won't debate yall. Doing so is utterly beneath me. Not worth my time or effort. Live long and die mad about it.

Then what are you doing in this thread?

[The Reformed American Republic]

You made him a NotSee.

He admitted to being a National Socialist, which = n*zi.

It was a joke. He is a Nazi, which is pronounced similarly to "NotSee" which fits you not being able to see his posts due to you foeing him.

[Grenartia]

I seem to be open to many other tools in the box than you. There's so much else that can be done to stop Nazis without resorting to government tyranny or to the rifle and bomb that are more effective than 'civil debate' or even based dunks. Building solidarity between the most targeted groups and even opponents who would otherwise stand to gain under Nazism. Deplatforming the shit out of them. Unironically cancelling them. Just to name a few.

I agree in suppressing nazis, I think we differ in that I believe the best way to do it is to air out how stupid they are first instead of going straight to violence.

I've already told you violence is my absolute last resort for dealing with Nazis. Not at all my first. None of those things I mentioned are violent.

[Nevertopia]

Okay so let the actual teacher working on a Master’s degree explain to you how these tests work and why they don’t measure intelligence:

I respect your credentials as a teacher, but you must acknowledge your biases as a participant in this debate. Your degrees do not represent an oriental kick to my chest.

1.) Standardized testing specifically focuses more on testing skills than content knowledge. Tests like the ACT and SAT are taken in a single day, and generally are very disconnected from the curriculum the students are learning in school. Just because you have a graph showing the disparity doesn’t mean you actually know what that disparity represents or where it is coming from.

The disparity represents, generally speaking, proficiency in math. It is not relevant how similar the test is to the curriculum the students are taught as it is still a predictor of their skills in math, which are of course closely tied to intelligence.

2.) Your first graph specifically measures average white and black students, rich students, and poor students. Grenartia is correct that rich students get higher scores, as they tend to have more access to resources.

Yes.

I have observed and tutored in a variety of schools. One was a private school with an enormous library, media, and digital resources. This school was predominantly white, wealthier students, snuggled in the back of a well-to-do neighborhood. The other school was in an abandoned neighborhood, which was in development for some time and then abandoned after Hurricane Katrina. Most of these students were minority children. Black and Hispanic children are not less intelligent, they primarily live in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods with less access to resources.

That is true. Minority students are, on average, poorer than Whites, and have less access to services. However, one study I presented filters families by income level, which would mean that any socio-economic factors would be negated.

3.) Third-grade reading proficiency is complex. No Child Left Behind’s goal was to have all children reading at grade-level at 3rd grade. However, if a child is living in a lower socioeconomic condition, they are a lot less likely to develop their fundamental skills to reach grade level. Some of these skills include:

Fluency: Studies on childhood literacy development show that a student’s understanding of vocabulary come from a child being read to, discussing literature, and specifically asking complex questions. Students from lower socioeconomic conditions oftentimes are either not read to or talked to, due to parents working often or children not having access to proper books. Furthermore, by the age of 3, the poorest children know 30 million less words than their richer counterparts. This puts minority children especially at a significant disadvantage to reach their fundamental fluency goals.

30 MILLION ??? This is a serious discovery.

Reading comprehension: Reading less books and having less access to the arts puts children behind in reading comprehension. This is not helped when some of the most prominent cities in the nation are ‘reading deserts’ where children do not have access to books. Again, most of the children affected by this disparity are minority children.

Yes, but I have presented a study which filters for family income, so this should not be relevant. When minority students are so disadvantage, you must begin to ask whether their low intelligence is a result of their poverty, as is commonly said, or their poverty is a result of their pre-existing low intelligence.

Phonics: Phonics has been tossed to the wayside by our standardized-testing-driven curriculums, and this is a bad thing. Especially for poor children. Overall a lack of phonics education is terrible for reaching 3rd-grade standards. And when children from lower socioeconomic conditions are thrown in front of the bus of standardized testing without a strong phonics background...it’s a horrible accident waiting to happen.

Education has plenty to do with race, but not in the way you think it does. Minority children and poor children often face an incredible amount of obstacles, many of which are due to a lack of a focus on the fundamentals in many public schools. Others are due to the fact that their parents are working multiple jobs, they have no parent reading to them, or they are not reading the right books. Oversimplifying this issue does no service to the betterment of education, so why don’t you leave that to the people who actually have a degree in the job, and to other citizens who genuinely care for education and who

aren’t trying to score brownie points with their porn-spamming buddies from Stormfront.

I don't know why you people keep talking about Stormfront because I have never used that site.

your argument has already been debunked by current research. Lumi's credentials as a teacher outweighs your credentials of none.